North American Asian Elephant Population 2025

The Horse Boy said:
I made the same assumption on this thread a week ago and then Yassa corrected me with the same answer ZZChip just made. Research seems to now have shown that indeed EEHV is now in wild populations and has nothing to do with mixing the two elephant species in the same enclosure.
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No worries. I must have missed that. It has been busy.

I must say I did have the same theory years and years ago then we all started to learn with the new research coming out. People originally thought it was because of the Africans and Asians being mixed together then zoos started seperating them. I remember that period over 20 years ago, with the limited information released to the public.

We are more educated now especially with the passion for elephants in captivity.

I know the anti-captive elephant groups are still pushing on this which is very old information which shows how uneducated they have been. Read the research, not listen to propaganda. Many elephants have came from the wild carrying the strain and have exposed others to it. It is like parvo, but probably not as contagious and fatal (some calves have beaten EEHV before the modern treatment came out). We just never know until the baby is about to crash.
 
Has Spike lately been breeding the mother daughter pair from Rotterdam at Smithsonian? That facility needs calves as soon as possible and they have expressed interest in mulitgenerational herds in the future.
 
The Horse Boy said:
Has Spike lately been breeding the mother daughter pair from Rotterdam at Smithsonian? That facility needs calves as soon as possible and they have expressed interest in mulitgenerational herds in the future.
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It would be good to have an update on this as it's now been almost two and a half years since Trong Nhi and Nhi Linh arrived. You would hope that by this point both girls are pregnant at the very least.
 
Jambo said:
It would be good to have an update on this as it's now been almost two and a half years since Trong Nhi and Nhi Linh arrived. You would hope that by this point both girls are pregnant at the very least.
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I think Spike has been a proven breeder back when he was living calgary until 10 years ago. I just looked it up on the elephant database and all his calves died very shortly aftier birth. I guess he somehow lost his breeding confidence when he lived in Busch Gardens for a few years as all the cows were post reproductive except Karnaudi. It is my assumption that Spike will live in the elephant trails complex for the rest of his life so if they can house multiple adult males it's time they bring in a younger one to get the job done pronto.
 
Correction: we should be talking about maharani. She had 3 calves. She had a stillborn, one lived for one month and another a few months. Like I said not viable for some reason. The other elephant lives in Florida.

I had always wondered if spike was a viable breeder. We will see.
 
ZCChip said:
Correction: we should be talking about maharani. She had 3 calves. She had a stillborn, one lived for one month and another a few months. Like I said not viable for some reason. The other elephant lives in Florida.

I had always wondered if spike was a viable breeder. We will see.
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Maharani’s second calf lived to be over a year old and died to EEHV. The problem has never been spike, but the females he’s been paired with. They’ve either been horrible mothers or went too long without calves.
 
E Maximus said:
Maharani’s second calf lived to be over a year old and died to EEHV. The problem has never been spike, but the females he’s been paired with. They’ve either been horrible mothers or went too long without calves.
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Then why did they stop breeding him after 2016? Viable not in order to breed, but producing healthy calves (other than EEHV).
 
To clarify, I was intentional when I said Karnaudi. Spike bred her without issue at Busch Gardens, and she conceived multiple times. As I mentioned though, she was unable to carry a viable pregnancy to term. Like E Maximus said, the issue has never been Spike, he has been actively and successfully breeding cows “continuously” for close to 30 years at this point.
 
ZCChip said:
Then why did they stop breeding him after 2016? Viable not in order to breed, but producing healthy calves (other than EEHV).
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Before the pair arrived from Rotterdam in 2022, Spike and Maharani were paired to breed for ~4 years at National Zoo with no success. It appears that she is either no longer able to conceive or maintain a pregnancy.

I've seen it noted here before that Maharani was also allegedly pregnant when she arrived at National Zoo in 2014 (with what would have been her 4th pregnancy), but miscarried. I have no idea how far along she was in the pregnancy when that occurred though.
 
HawkAlot said:
Before the pair arrived from Rotterdam in 2022, Spike and Maharani were paired to breed for ~4 years at National Zoo with no success. It appears that she is either no longer able to conceive or maintain a pregnancy.

I've seen it noted here before that Maharani was also allegedly pregnant when she arrived at National Zoo in 2014 (with what would have been her 4th pregnancy), but miscarried. I have no idea how far along she was in the pregnancy when that occurred though.
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She did have twins born prematurely in 2012, so I do wonder whether that may have had an impact on her inability since to no longer be able to conceive/maintain a pregnancy.
 
I need a List of Zoos with Functioning Multi-generational and Bachelor Herds of Asian Elephants, a List of Zoos that are expecting a matrilineal/Split, and Zoos that are acquiring or planning on bringing the Asian Elephants back, please?
 
Jambo said:
It's entirely possible they could have - they've just yet to announce the pregnancies.
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Not to comment on this nearly a week later, but National has every reason to keep any potential pregnancies close to their chests. This would be Trong-Nhi's first calf in over a decade and Nhi-Lin's first calf period. Both have more than their own fair share of risks, and the last thing the zoo needs is to announce a pregnancy (or even a dual one) only to lose the calves.
No need to use any pregnancy announcements to draw crowds either, the pandas do that just fine :p
 
Thomas said:
I need a List of Zoos with Functioning Multi-generational and Bachelor Herds of Asian Elephants, a List of Zoos that are expecting a matrilineal/Split, and Zoos that are acquiring or planning on bringing the Asian Elephants back, please?
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I can try to get one done for you.
 
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