North American Asian Elephant Population 2025

In an overnight drastic change of circumstances, Billy and Tina have already arrived at the Tulsa Zoo.
Elephants Billy and Tina moved from LA Zoo to Oklahoma zoo – NBC Los Angeles
I'm glad they persevered with their plan through all the cyivist hubbub over the past month. These guys really blew their tops when they discovered the zoo was going to transfer them to another zoo in place of a sanctuary, and they really bent over backwards to derail the move to Tulsa so they could go to their beloved elephant sanctuaries o_O
 
Now there are no more Asian Elephants in the Los Angeles Zoo and in the State of California.
The Performing Animal Welfare Society in San Andreas has 2.1 Asian Elephants, but they are the only three in the state. According to the list on post #1 these are their Asian Elephants:

1.0 Prince (Hugo × Me Tu) 1987.05.24

1.0 Nicholas (Tunga × Ronnie) 1993.12.15

0.1 Gypsy (WILD × WILD) 1967.00.00

Total: 2.1.0 (3)
 
The Performing Animal Welfare Society in San Andreas has 2.1 Asian Elephants, but they are the only three in the state. According to the population list these are their animals of the species:

1.0 Prince (Hugo × Me Tu) 1987.05.24

1.0 Nicholas (Tunga × Ronnie) 1993.12.15

0.1 Gypsy (WILD × WILD) 1967.00.00

Total: 2.1.0 (3)
I meant Zoos.
 
Same, hopefully protest/controversy dies down by then
It might be best if they wait for the activists to cool it and finally go easy on the zoo for once before they can acquire some younger individuals. Even if breeding herds might still he in their long term plans, I still think they cam temporarily do bachelors in the meantime until a matriline split becomes available. Much of the newer Asian facilities with breeding herds have the capability of managing multiple adult bulls/bachelors alongside that herd type or already do it, a lot of times because of having 3 or 4 outdoor yards.
 
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Looks ,for now, Cali will only have 3 zoos with Africans, each with impressive herds and habitats. And their programs and populations are FAR more stable than LA let alone not pestered by ARAs as much. And the only zoo on the entire west coast with Asians for the foreseeable future will be Oregon which also has an impressive habitat and a proper herd structure. Also we must not overgenralize here. Just because some facilities will quit housing elephants does not mean that others will commit to them by investing in habitats intended to house them properly. Hell several zoos have phased out elephants with antiquated enclosures, then after a considerable hiatus, they brought them back with outstanding habitats and groupings, liks Birmingham, Tampa and Omaha did before, and San Antonio Brookfield and maybe Louisville Oakland and Knoxville for the future. I have strong faith Los Angeles is on the list too.
 
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maybe Louisville Oakland and Knoxville for the future. I have strong faith Los Angeles is on the list too.

I thought Louisville said they were ending their elephant program? Maybe I'm thinking of the wrong place but thought it was them. I don't think Oakland is worth betting on given circumstances. Much as I would like to see elephants return to LA, there's gonna be a loooong hiatus if they even return at all. Remember the city is who's on the hook for lawsuits, costs, and PR - makes it a much lower probability.
 
thought Louisville said they were ending their elephant program? Maybe I'm thinking of the wrong place but thought it was them. I don't think Oakland is worth betting on given circumstances.
Louisville earlier on did say that they will look into making a large habitat with the ability to manage breeding herds by evaluating zoo grounds once mikki and Punch go this summer. I think they only con about it is that it's a costly endeavor, and I'm not sure they have enough funds for ot yet. But they don't seem to be one of these zoos who would absolutely love to to have elephants back down the road.
 
Louisville earlier on did say that they will look into making a large habitat with the ability to manage breeding herds by evaluating zoo grounds once mikki and Punch go this summer. I think they only con about it is that it's a costly endeavor, and I'm not sure they have enough funds for ot yet. But they don't seem to be one of these zoos who would absolutely love to to have elephants back down the road.
To echo what @Great Argus said, I too thought they’re sort of over their elephant program on-site at the zoo. According to their own blogs, there are significant hurdles such as cost of a new elephant exhibit that may be too much. It looks like their idea is to repurpose their elephant habitat/barn for another species not yet determined.
Follow Our Elephant’s Journey
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To echo what @Great Argus said, I too thought they’re sort of over their elephant program on-site at the zoo. According to their own blogs, there are significant hurdles such as cost of a new elephant exhibit that may be too much. It looks like their idea is to repurpose their elephant habitat/barn for another species not yet determined.
Follow Our Elephant’s Journey
Announcement
I find it interesting that the zoo has repeatedly stated that any future exhibit would have to be able to hold a bull group and a breeding group as a requirement. Could just be an ambitious hope for them, but it looks like this might also be a reflection of a changing standard for new exhibits going forward.
I will say, that's a pretty big ask of several zoos if true. I don't see any reason to push new exhibits to have the capacity for bachelor groupings, especially zoos developing on older or landlocked exhibits.
 
I find it interesting that the zoo has repeatedly stated that any future exhibit would have to be able to hold a bull group and a breeding group as a requirement. Could just be an ambitious hope for them, but it looks like this might also be a reflection of a changing standard for new exhibits going forward.
I will say, that's a pretty big ask of several zoos if true. I don't see any reason to push new exhibits to have the capacity for bachelor groupings, especially zoos developing on older or landlocked exhibits.
It could be perhaps sort of “go big or go bust” approach to exhibiting elephants. They’re very social animals and perhaps to keep family units as close as possible that they’d need to maintain enough space for their herds. Could every zoo do this? Probably not. But those thoroughly dedicated to their respective elephant programs may reduce to fewer numbers of holders but able to maintain larger herds together. All of the recent elephant projects are getting larger and more expensive obviously. Like the SDZ Safari Park’s Elephant Valley is the parks largest and most expensive project, the renovation is set to cost 66 million dollars. That’s a tall order to ask for for most facilities unless you have dedicated mega donors.
 
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Hopefully LA can work something out with ALS or the asian programs in Europe for imports.

Pretty sure LA doesn't have that kind of money, and I doubt they'd be willing to spend it that way any time in the near future if they did. They have other problems needing dealt with before they even start to consider getting into the firestorm of trying to bring in new elephants, if they ever do.
 
Pretty sure LA doesn't have that kind of money, and I doubt they'd be willing to spend it that way any time in the near future if they did. They have other problems needing dealt with before they even start to consider getting into the firestorm of trying to bring in new elephants, if they ever do.
Tbh, with all this considered (among a mountain of other problems), I'm wondering if LA Zoo should go private

It and San Fran are two major public zoos that are really up the creek without a paddle and with both cities known for having leadership that ain't great.
 
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