Actually he was named after his species ‘Colobus’ - ‘Colby’ for short!
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Australasian Colobine Population
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Chadwick could quite well be the sire of Clover.
However it’s also important to note that Charlie’s mother was also born at Melbourne. Her name was Clementine; and it’s possible she too could’ve been related to Clover (mother/sister?). I notice the ‘Cl’ naming connection here which could just be a coincidence.
Chadwick and Clementine sired two offspring together at the National Zoo. Clementine passed in the early 2010’s and was replaced with Masika and Safi from Monarto, swapped with Charlie (and potentially her sibling too?). Chadwick then sired Indi to Safi in 2015 but passed away around that same time. He would’ve been in his late 20’s upon his passing - quite an impressive age for a male!
Clover and Clementine being relatives is a reasonable assumption since both them and Chadwick were born at Melbourne Zoo and all share an initial, implying there’s a genetic relationship between them. Inbreeding was common practice in zoos during the 80’s and 90’s (continuing to this day in some species).
It doesn’t appear we have Clover’s DOB, but irregardless of the year, I wonder if she was born on St. Patrick’s Day. Zoos often reference iconic days in the naming of their animals.
It's a real shame that a Bunch of Francois Langurs exported than asian zoo could not have been offered to other zoos around Australia first!
Indeed. Of the five langurs exported to Singapore Zoo, four were young males, who could have potentially lived in the region for a further two decades, ensuring ample time to import some more females:
1.0 Bobo (Unknown)
1.0 Nangua (2015)
1.0 Jing (2017)
1.0 Minh (2018)
1.0 Didi (2018)
Taronga’s troop seems to have stagnated. Following the export of the above males, unrelated pairings were as follows:
Ngai could have bred with Meili and Elke
Manchu could have bred with Noel and Elke
Neither Ngai or Manchu could have bred with Embe
Note: There’s been uncertainty whether all four of these females are still alive as reported by @WhistlingKite24 in February this year, where it was confirmed Noel and Embe were still alive.
Considering how long the species has been in the country now there has been more than enough time to set up other breeding pairs and or groups in zoos especially since room was made in resent years by phasing out all the former species that was held before!
I took a photo of 5 of them, just last week. As far as i could see, thats all there was in the enclosure
Yes, I assumed from the outset they’d be a bachelor troop as all five were exported as a group. Singapore Zoo (like Australia’s holders) functions as an extension to the EEP for this species. There’s only 10 holders in Europe, so it’s not exactly thriving over there either.
Sorry, i saw only 5 at Taronga zoo this past week
Since it really appears the the Francois Langurs are not going to become part on the zoo collections outside of Taronga zoo perhaps the zoos that did have different species of Langurs before should restart with other species again like the Lion and Javan species ect?
Although François langurs are hardly thriving in Europe, there’s also 15 holders in North America, so whether the EEP could arrange to receive some from there might be an option.
Javan langur is held across slightly less collections than François; and Dusky langur is in seriously dire straits. Hanuman langur is held across 18 European facilities, which could be another option.
At least that confirms 3/4 females in Taronga’s troop are alive. I’d be interested to know what breeding plans they have (if any).
It would ultimately be up to the ZAA. And right now they seem content with Francois Langurs. Other facilities would need to push for another sub species if that's what they desire - Javan would be a nice return.
Then ZAA should be putting downward pressure on Taronga to not monopolise the species.
its a farcical joke that the species designated to be the focus species, is monopolised by Taronga.
We either have Taronga monopolising the species or no other zoo wanting them, considering that other zoos have phased out there langur species we can only assume one thing.
On top of that Taronga has sent many offspring of shore and has stalled on there breeding. Either ZAA needs to step in or actively nominate a second species for the region to focus on. If you can call one zoo having all the breeding animals for the entire population in Aus/NZ a species designated there focus species.
Adelaide have had good luck with there duskys and were able to import when needed. It would be nice to see them continue with them when there current ones die out and new pairs important to rejuvenate the breeding again. Then hopefully we can see others show interest and pick them up.
I can't see why they had to let the current ones die out when they could of imported unrelated animals to pair with the ones they have currently
I think the animals aged out before the realisation that Taronga are not going to share. The master plan has dusky as a continuation and not Francois as a replacement.
Unfortunately, while they were young enough adequate mates could have been imported as they have done previously and kept the colony going. At its height it was a nice little troop.
Taronga have not bred there langurs for a while so they are clear not building up a population to send over as a replacement species. But also given it is Taronga and we can't keep to many exotic species. I wouldn't be surprised to see the langurs as phase out and replaced with spider monkeys to compliment the incoming influx of South American species.
I believe you may find that Adelaides Duskys having been shrinking in numbers for quite a long time, enough time to do something about them continuing with this species.
Taronga has exported a number of Francois over the years bar two spare males, there would of been some zoos here willing to hold them if given the chance
I completely agree!, I do remember that Adelaide did import a fair while back to continue breeding. But then stopped and didn't import. I dare say it was under the idea that taronga was going to build up Francois and then Adelaide would come on as another holder of a somewhat established species.
Francois are an attractive species that breeds easily here, I dare say even the private zoo network would have been interested in them if they were available. The national zoo would probably even be willing to take more on if they were able to, two single males doesn't always make the best display.
That is difficult to do when those involved are intertwined with the ins and outs of the ZAA and it's operations. I'm not entirely sure why breeding has been halted. The way Wild Asia is tracking however, it looks like a renovation of that area is due soon so perhaps they're reducing group numbers for a phase out/replacement with another species, or just an eventual period off display.
The National Zoo got lucky in their case to acquire their two males. It's no wonder they haven't got additional animals since - connections aren't there anymore!
Id like to think they're not staring down the barrel of a phase out, But if Taronga jump on this South American train, instead of redeveloping the old bull elephant exhibit and surrounds. I can see them switching wild Asia into wild South America. The only thing stopping this would be the Indian rhino. All species there in the complex have an equivalent swap out of South American origin. Bar the otters.