European (Tea)Cup - League F - Prague vs Leipzig

Prague vs Leipzig - BIRDS

  • Leipzig 3/2 Prague

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This time round, two of the most prestigious and highly-regarded zoological collections in Europe come face-to-face; fittingly, the category assigned for this match provides a massive amount of scope for discussion and interpretation, and hence is well-suited for a match involving two competitors of this calibre and reputation.

The category in question is BIRDS - a subject which allows for a wide-ranging discussion of species collections, exhibit design and quality, conservation and a variety of other topics. As such, I look forward to the coming three days of debate!
 
My initial gut-feeling is that this is a fairly secure 4-1 win to Prague, but I am open to changing my mind with further discussion, debate and the evaluation of evidence!
 
I am still wandering, who is going to challenge Prague :) Leipzig has the impressive Gondwanaland, Bird House and few Aviaries, but can't mach the diversity and breeding success of the Czech zoo. I will start with 3:2 for Prague.
 
Prague absolutely dominates in this category:
They have the parrot trail with the following species, all in charming aviaries with a nice view over Prague:
Purple-naped Lory
Orange-breasted Fig-parrot
Vernal Hanging Parrot
Brown Lory
Large Fig-parrot
Edwards’ Fig-parrot
Stella’s Lorikeet
Mitchell’s Lorikeet
Mindanao Lorikeet

At the end of the trail, there's a walkthrough with the following species:
Scaly-breasted Lorikeet
Superb Parrot
Rainbow Lorikeet
Crested Pigeon
Bush Thick-knee

Then the zoo has an Australian section with cassowaries (viewable through glass panes indoors too) and emus
They also have ostrich on the savanna.
There is also a series of owl aviaries with Oriental Bay-owl
Ural owl
Common barn owl

And a raptor aviary with European Honey-buzzard
They also have Canada goose in the bison exhibit.
Then, down the cliff they have:
A lake with Dalmatian pelican and Great White Pelican
And an amazing aviary with:
Eurasian Spoonbill
Asian Woollyneck
Black-headed Ibis
Spot-billed Pelican
Purple Heron
White-naped Crane
Red-crested Pochard
Milky Stork
Red-breasted Merganser
Smew
Magpie-goose
Baer’s Pochard
Black-crowned Night-heron
Rufous Night-heron
White-winged Wood Duck

Another aviary with:
Rock Pigeon
Vulturine Guineafowl
Lesser Kestrel
Marbled Teal
Common Teal
Yellow-billed Stork
Hadada Ibis
Abdim’s Stork
Hamerkop
African Comb Duck
White-headed Duck
Ferruginous Duck
Egyptian Vulture
Demoiselle Crane
Northern Bald Ibis
Little Owl

And then a little lake with
Bewick’s Swan
Red-breasted Goose
Cape Barren Goose

And the Great Aviary with:
Black Stork
Red Kite
Cinereous Vulture
Egyptian Vulture
Booted Eagle

There is also a Bearded Vulture aviary alongside the cliff.
Then, in the bird wetlands they have in the first aviary:
Blue Crane
White Stork
Bewick’s Swan
Secretary Bird
African Black Duck
Muscovy Duck

In the second, devoted to native species and with underwater viewing for the birds:
Eurasian Oystercatcher
Northern Shoveller
Pied Avocet
Black-winged Stilt
European Stone Curlew
Rosy Starling
Harlequin Duck
Ruff
Northern Lapwing
Glossy Ibis

Then a walkthrough aviary with African theme:
Hottentot Teal
Blacksmith Lapwing
African Spoonbill
Hadada Ibis
Garganey
Hamerkop
Purple Swamphen
African Openbill
Malagasy Sacred Ibis
Hartlaub’s Duck
Red-winged Starling
Squacco Heron

Then a Pantanal aviary, which is also walkthrough, which holds:
White-cheeked Pintail
Roseate Spoonbill
Guira Cuckoo
Boat-billed Heron
Striated Heron
Southern Lapwing
White-throated Piping-guan
Brazilian Teal
White-faced Ibis
Black-faced Ibis
White Ibis
Bufflehead
Southern Screamer
West Indian Whistling-duck
Ringed Teal

And then the second South American aviary with:
Scarlet Ibis
Crested Oropendola
Horned Screamer
Brazilian Merganser
( these birds and their breeding succes alone would give Prague a point)
Then there is the Shoebill aviary, which also has indoor viewing behind glass.
On the boardwalk to the Feline Pavilion, you can find:
Lesser White-fronted Goose
Red-breasted Goose
Magpie-goose
Emperor Goose
Eurasian Crane
Red-crowned Crane
Siberian Crane

In the Feline Pavilion, they have House Finch, Cuban Grassquit and Ruddy Ground Dove in one of the exhibits too, together with Iguanas and turtles
Then, on the way to the Rakos house, there are 2 poor aviaries for Slender-billed Parakeet and Southern Festive Amazon.
The Rakos house itself is excellent though, with a Kea aviary, a Phillipine aviary with:
Black-chinned Fruit-dove
Spotted Imperial Pigeon
Blue-naped Parrot

A highland New Guinea aviary with:
Pesquet’s Parrot
King Bird-of-Paradise
Raggiana Bird-of-Paradise
Cinnamon Ground Dove

A large walkthrough enclosure themed after lowland New Guinea with:
Palm Cockatoo
Helmeted Friarbird
Salvadori’s Fig-parrot
New Guinea Bronzewing
Green-naped Pheasant-pigeon
Pink-necked Green-pigeon
Sunda Teal
Western Crowned-pigeon
Superb Fruit-dove

A Jamaican aviary with:
Yellow-billed Amazon
Crested Quail-dove
Scaly-naped Pigeon
White-cheeked Pintail
Wattled Jacana

The Pantanal aviary with:
Hyacinth Macaw
Red-tailed Amazon
Wattled Jacana
Tataupa Tinamou
Scarlet-headed Blackbird

And then the Caatinga aviary with Lear's Macaw and Red-cowled Cardinal.
Then outdoors there is one more Peru aviary with:
Austral Parakeet
Cordilleran Parakeet
Monk Parakeet
Patagonian Conure

Then the Darwin Crater also has some nice aviaries, the first one, the Bush Bird aviary holds:
Common Bronzewing
Tawny Frogmouth
Budgerigar
Red-tailed Black Cockatoo
Wonga Pigeon
Golden-shouldered Parrot

And a Wetland Birds one with:
Australian Shelduck
Hardhead
Little Pied Cormorant
Blue-winged Kookaburra
Straw-necked Ibis
Rufous Night-heron

Then the old Birds of Southeast Asia exhibit, which has nice species but in small aviaries:
White-crested Laughingthrush
Vietnamese Pheasant
Edward’s Pheasant
Black-breasted Thrush
Sunda Laughingthrush
Northern Rufous Hornbill
Luzon Tarictic Hornbill
Palawan Peacock-pheasant
Philippine Metallic Pigeon
Philippine Scops-owl
Palawan Hornbill
Sumatran Laughingthrush
Bronze-tailed Peacock-pheasant
Coleto
Rufous-fronted Laughingthrush
Forsten’s Lorikeet
Salvadori’s Pheasant
Javan Green Magpie
Green Imperial Pigeon
Bali Starling

There is also an enclosure with Marabou Stork and Cape Barren Goose.
The Hornbill aviaries, with once again nice species and breeding succes, but less nice aviaries:
Rhinoceros Hornbill
Kagu
Hill Myna
Asian Glossy Starling
Madagascar Crested Ibis
Pink Pigeon
Great Indian Hornbill
Nicobar Pigeon

Then the first flamingo enclosure holds:
Chilean Flamingo
Caribbean Flamingo
Crested Duck
American Wood Duck

Then the second flamingo enclosure with:
Ruddy Shelduck
Red-crested Pochard
Eurasian Shoveler
Greater Flamingo

And then the biggest draw arguably, besides the bird wetlands and Rakos house maybe: the Sichuan house. A Chinese based walkthrough which holds:
Emei Shan Liocichla
Red-tailed Laughingthrush
Grey Peacock-pheasant
Common Emerald Dove
Pekin Robin
Barred Laughingthrush
Barred Cuckoo-dove
Ashy Woodpigeon
Eurasian Hoopoe
Little Bittern
Scaly Laughingthrush
White-rumped Shama
Bar-backed Partridge
Golden-crested Myna
Blue-crowned Laughingthrush
Orange-headed Thrush
Cabot’s Tragopan
White Wagtail
Blue-crowned Laughingthrush
Mandarin Duck
Great Argus

The outside aviary holds:
White-shouldered Starling
Scaly-sided Merganser
Crested Myna
Rufous-cheeked Laughingthrush
Spotted Dove

And then the Nature Around us exhibit has an Australian Magpie aviary (bit random)
And two other walkthrough aviaries, one with:
Song Thrush
Stock Pigeon
European Greenfinch
Eurasian Hoopoe
White Wagtail
Common Linnet
Common Chaffinch
European Goldfinch

One with:
Common Chaffinch
Grey Partridge
Common Starling
European Roller
European Turtle-dove

And a little owl aviary
Then the birds of prey (on the bottom right of the map):
Egyptian Vulture
King Vulture
Lesser Yellow-headed Vulture
Red-legged Seriema
Egyptian Vulture
Steller’s Sea Eagle
Spectacled Owl
Bald Eagle
Hooded Vulture
European Honey-buzzard
Pel’s Fishing-owl
Buffy Fishing-owl

And then Humboldt Penguin and Fuegian Steamer Duck
I based the species list partially of the excellent Review by @Kalaw , which I read in anticipation to my visit next month.
 
What does Leipzig have to remotely rival Prague in this category? There's the vulture aviary, white naped cranes and the new bird house which I know very little about - would it be possible for someone who has seen it to give their opinion? How many birds are in Gondwanaland? For now I can't think of a single thing for any species that Leipzig does better in this category (Prague's cliff aviaries are far more impressive imo, and their series of crane/stork exhibits similarly). Add to that the Rakos pavilion, the series of African/South American/European aviaries, Shoebill, Brazilian merganser (which they've bred...), Pel's fishing owl among a bunch of raptors and owls, Sichuan pavilion, the list goes on. It's probably the best non-specialist bird zoo in Europe by a distance, and on the flip side it's easily one of Leipzig's weakest categories... 4-1 for me without an evaluation of Leipzig's bird house.
 
Brazilian Merganser (these birds and their breeding succes alone would give Prague a point)

I kind of doubt that breeding theme, is too difficult (compared to other birds). The only reason that it didn't happen before is, that it is extremely hard to obtain theme. (By the way, Pragues backstage capacities at the bird sector was one of the main reason, that they were the first zoo to get them from Itatiba, and having good contacts to one of the persons who launched the breeding program at Brazil)

I want to highlight Pragues latest attempts to build up suitable breeding pairs of Greater Hornbills.

Regarding Leipzig it's kind of ironic, that the most interesting species of their bird house is a mammal (Giant squirrel). @amur leopard the only thing that Leipzig does clearly better as Prague are the Chilean Flamingos, as they are kept in a large walkthrough aviary. Leipzig struggle with the same problem as many other "Adventure Zoos" with theme worlds. Aviaries doesn't fit, with the perfect illusion of a fence free zoo. Please correct me if i'm wrong, but there isn't a single aviary at the whole African area of Leipzig?

While Leipzig has fewer species, exhibit quality is probably better after closing the old bird house. While Prague has some excellent aviaries, the some of the at the Phesantry and birds of prey aviaries, are really small. And Rakos pavillion is a beautiful bird house, but most of the exhibits within the house seems either rather small or to overcrowded to me.

All in all, i'm not sure if 4:1 or 3:2 for Prague is the better result. The stock list of Pragues bird is just amazing and despite very few other zoos can compete with it.
 
Hasn't been built yet - the old bird house and adjacent structures are still awaiting demolition, and the bird house is being slowly depopulated ahead of this move.

So they effectively have very few birds in the old one and the new one doesn't exist? Might this be a 5-0? I don't think there's a better non-specialist zoo for birds anywhere than Prague (SDZ?), and Leipzig has been somewhat caught at the wrong time in this category but even so has nothing that I find convincing over Prague's offerings. The one thing that's maybe keeping me from it are the small hornbill/laughingthrush etc aviaries near the entrance, which for the most part could be larger.

Edit: cross-posted with remar, forgot the flamingos, that's definitely a good point. Will stick with 4-1 for now. Does Leipzig have any significant breeding achievements with birds?
 
Hasn't been built yet - the old bird house and adjacent structures are still awaiting demolition, and the bird house is being slowly depopulated ahead of this move.

You confuse the old bird house with the new bird house. Afaik the old bird house, is/was the one with the outdoor cages for macaws and this is going to be demolished. The new bird house (with the giants squirrels) should still be around.
 
The new bird house (with the giants squirrels) should still be around.

The giant squirrel is held within the elephant house, though - at least, it was in April.

This is the bird house awaiting demolition of which I spoke:

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The giant squirrel is held within the elephant house, though?

At least, it was in April.

My bad, my visit at Leipzig was way before April this year ;) But the old and new bird house are two complete different buildings for sure.
 
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My bad, my visit at Leipzig was way before April this year ;) But the old and new bird house are two complete different buildings for sure.

Which house are you talking about then? :p:D once I get home in a little bit I'll upload the photos I took showing the demolition plans outside the bird house photographed above... which is the only bird house I can think of at the zoo!
 
If you take a look at the currently available english zoo map at the Homepage. The old bird house is number 7 (macaw). This was closed and will be rebuilt together with the lion tailed macaque next to it. The so called new bird house is number 10 at the map (crowned pigeon) (The one with the walkthrough area)

And the german zoo map on the homepage already got updated. "Hier entstehen Vogelvolieren"(here we build bird aviaries) is located under the new bird house with the crowned pigeon.

At least, that's what i understood, but i'm certainly not infallible.
 
Here is a photographic overview of Prague to accompany the species list provided by @EliasNys above. It shouldn't have too much outcome on the result with Prague already being far ahead, but hopefully, unless a strong rebuttal is made for Leipzig, which I haven't visited, it will convince more people to switch to a 4-1, and support my personal belief that Prague is one of the, if not the, best non-specialist zoos in the world for birds.

Going exhibit-by-exhibit, and being fairly comprehensive as possible but missing a few enclosures. One such miss that feels important to mention as it was also missing from EliasNys' list upthread: the free-flying bulbuls in the Indonesian Jungle.

Parrot Trail:

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@Maguari

Consisting of nine really nice and spacious wooden aviaries for a pleasant selection of rarely kept lories and fig-parrots. The latter are especially noteworthy being from a family that strikes me as seriously underepresented at zoos. I love the authentic feel of the aviaries and the way that they incorporate the slope behind, as well as how surprisingly far back they stretch and the onshow indoor areas.

The row then culminates with a walkthrough for a further five species (not all parrots), of which Scaly-breasted Lorikeet and Bush Thick-knee are the most noteworthy. It was really nicely designed, but sadly I couldn't find any photos in the gallery.

Australia:

It also segués nicely into the next zone, Australia, where both Southern Cassowaries and Emus inhabit some rather run-of-the-mill enclosures, although of note is the onshow indoor area for cassowaries (haven't seen this elsewhere).

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@Robaque - one of the two near-identical cassowary enclosures.

African Savannah:

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@Chapman'szebra - home to Ostrich and one of the largest and most attractive savannahs at a city zoo in Europe.

Northern Forest:

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@Maguari - one of the owl aviaries.

There are four owl aviaries here for three species, one of which being home to a major rarity, and one of the most curious-looking birds on the planet: the Oriental Bay-owl. I thought all three aviaries were really impressive, amongst the largest and most attractive I have seen.

There is also a much older cage, which held owls until recently but now houses some rescue European Honey-buzzards, incapable of flight. I think considering them not being flighted, it is a rather solid, and certainly very charming enclosure.

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@Maguari - said Honey-buzzard aviary back when it held owls.

Aviaries Under The Cliff:

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@Kalaw

For me, this is Prague's most underrated exhibit. Labelled on the map simply as 'storks' it is a huge aviary based around a spacious body of water (connected to a stream that runs throughout most of the lower zoo), and is notable for being really well-stocked with huge pelecaniformes, some of which (the Abdim's Storks and the rare Spot-billed Pelicans) took a liking to resting on the visitor railing. The mightily impressive weeping willows, and how far back behind the leaves of said trees it stretches for privacy, further strengthened the enclosure.

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@lintworm

Although a little more generic in species list, the way that this Ibis walkthrough fades into the cliff was truly very impressive. Yet again, the number of big birds that it is really special to share a walkthrough space with, such as Yellow-billed Storks and Egyptian Vulture.

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@Kalaw

Much more well-known than the previous two: the Great Aviary. One of the largest and best-landscaped bird of prey aviaries in Europe, really well-planted with a steep slope. While not necessarily a walkthrough, the main viewing gallery is open-fronted.

Also around here is the Bearded Vulture aviary, in some ways a scaled-down version of the Great Aviary above. I couldn't find any photos of it, though.

Bird Wetlands:

A simply wonderful series of aviaries for wetland birds, with the unfortunate caveat that some of them are pinioned. That said, the actual aviaries themselves, are both amazingly well-designed and home to a fascinating selection of species. Read EliasNys' list above for specific species.

The five aviaries consist of two walkthroughs, and are all geographically themed. They revolve around the Waterfowl Pavilion, which has several more aviaries on the other side, and presumably inside, but they are all offshow.

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@Jana - view towards the aviaries showing their height. The building on the left is for Shoebills.

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@Kalaw - one of the four aviaries, with this housing the Brazilian Mergansers.

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@Jana - it's only fair to show the good and the bad. This meadow has several pinioned waterfowl, and sadly is not the only example of this at Prague.

Rakos' Pavilion:

Prague's other major avian offering. This advertises itself as a parrot house, but it really is a more general bird house, as each of the 9 aviaries features a parrot or two (the 'stars') but also several more co-inhabitants from the same region of the world. The geographical themes areas are stuck to really nicely. There are 2 outdoor aviaries (a huge one for Kea and a walkthrough) and seven indoor aviaries (two or three wire-fronted, two or three glass-fronted, and one walkthrough).

I'm not sure I have ever gotten so many lifeticks in one building since my first ever zoo visit. Again, EliasNys has very kindly provided a species list already, so there is no need for me to do so, but I will show just three of the most interesting exhibits.

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@lintworm

For me, this huge walkthrough aviary is the highlight of the house, mainly due to how lively it is, and the presence of Monk Parakeets, one of only a handfull of parrot species that builds its own nests! There are many such nests in this aviary, doing remarkably well to put this behaviour on full display.

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@lintworm

An upper-level view of the main indoor walkthrough aviary, which is rather spacious, very densely vegetated and landscaped, and yet still has a nice airy feel due to the natural sunlight seeping in.

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@lintworm

A really nice highland New Guinea-themed (the walkthrough is lowland) aviary for a curious mix of Pesquet's Parrot and bird-of-paradise. The two species get along very well, and the aviary is far taller and deeper than this photo indicates, with the wire the icing on the cake.

Pheasantry:

The Pheasantry is a really extensive series of aviaries. For the smaller birds, such as laughingthrushes, they manage to be very good for the animals, while still keeping the undeniable charm of pheasantries (i.e. long rows of somewhat identical aviaries). That said, for the hornbills they are really poor.

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@LaughingDove - for the most part, they look far less industrial than this as the vegetation has become a lot more dense in the decade since this photo was taken. But for the hornbills, I still believe it is too small.

The Pheasantry extends into a series of bird of prey aviaries, which are far better, and house a fascinating selection of species. Again, the list has already been provided, but I should reiterate the highlight: Pel's Fishing-owls, which have bred here for the first time in captivity.

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@Chapman'szebra - for Egyptian and Hooded Vultures, rather good in my opinion.

Sichuan Pavilion:

Perhaps Prague's most beloved exhibit on this forum. Sichuan is noteworthy for being a glass-roofed, all-indoor walkthrough bird house that is not for tropical species, but instead for those of temperate climates, from central China.

I've said in the past that I found Sichuan didn't quite live up to my high expectations, but that was purely because I found the vegetation to be a tad more tropical than I had hoped (there were some coniferous trees and ivy, but also palm trees and other clearly rainforest-based foliage) and that I was pressed for time. This gorgeous and quiet hall is a place that really benefits from spending time in there, soaking up the ambience and trying to spot all the birds.

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@Kalaw - the newly built outdoor aviary attached to Sichuan. A really nice, elegant piece of modern architecture, with a nice water feature which creates 'stepping stones' in the visitor pathway.

Children's Zoo:

I didn't enter the Children's Zoo itself, so I'm not sure if there are more of these that I didn't find, but by good fortune, I found an aviary for a very interesting species, the Australian Magpie, at the edge of it.

But what most enthusiasts love the Children's Zoo so much for is 'Nature Around Us,' the zoo's native birds corner. There are three aviaries here, of which two are walkthrough and one is a very dense Little Owl aviary (essentially a single conifer that has been meshed off). I enjoyed these two aviaries, as native species areas are always a treat, and can result in some surprising realisations about how interesting your region's animals are; in this cause, it was the vibrance of a European Roller that caught my eye.

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@lintworm - one of the two.

Penguin Pavilion:

Last but not least, we have the Humboldt Penguin enclosure. It seems very standard (other than its rather impressive size) at first, but upon further inspection one notes the presence of Fuegian Steamer Ducks. These amazing birds are flightless by nature, so enable the zoo to keep ducks in an open-topped penguin enclosure without having to pinion or clip them. A nice touch that I wish would become more common.

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@Kalaw

That's all I could fit with the 20 photo-per-post limit, and don't really have the time to go over that.

I only just realised now that I missed out on the Darwin Crater aviaries, some of my favourite in the whole zoo, and there are so many other aviaries I had to leave out - a testament to how overwhelmingly good Prague is in this category.

Considering all the above, I have voted 5-0 Prague, if it is true that Leipzig's bird house is currently being emptied and they really do have so little. Prague has 242 species of bird onshow, and even more onshow. They have some of the absolute greatest bird aviaries in Europe, countless walkthroughs, breeding success with rarities (Pel's Fishing-owl, Brazilian Merganser, Salvadori's Fig-parrot), countless other scarcely held species, and some really tastefully designed aviaries throughout, used excellently to enhance other zones. The fact that Prague only has a rather small, but nicely done, bird house, in my opinion works to its advantage as there are so many at other intervals that can mix it up a little and add further interest to some parts of the zoo. The only real weaknesses are the occasional pinioned birds and the undersized hornbill aviares, but I just don't feel as though Leipzig has enough to capitalise on those weaknesses.

That said, I am very open to being persuaded that a 5-0 is too harsh if someone can provide an overview of what Leipzig has beyond the flamingo aviary (which, in fairness, does look very nice).
 
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If you take a look at the currently available english zoo map at the Homepage. The old bird house is number 7 (macaw). This was closed and will be rebuilt together with the lion tailed macaque next to it. The so called new bird house is number 10 at the map (crowned pigeon) (The one with the walkthrough area)

And the german zoo map on the homepage already got updated. "Hier entstehen Vogelvolieren"(here we build bird aviaries) is located under the new bird house with the crowned pigeon.

At least, that's what i understood, but i'm certainly not infallible.

Per your quoted remarks, and having checked my photographs from April to double-check what the signage I recalled seeing said, the situation is as follows:

The collection of outdoor aviaries you referred to as the "old bird house" has indeed been demolished already, along with the lion-tailed macaque and penguin exhibits which were immediately adjacent - I actually did remember this, but didn't put two-and-two together that these aviaries were the old bird house of which you spoke for various reasons :D specifically, I've never thought of those demolished aviaries as a bird house, and didn't realise (until spotting something in one of my photographs) that the bird house I took to be the old bird house - mostly because it's been there ever since long before my first visit to Leipzig in 2014 - is officially *called* the New Bird House.

The aviaries and adjacent exhibits, as you note, have been demolished in order to build a pair of free-flight walkthrough aviaries for South American and South-east Asian species.

However, the signage that explains this *also* discusses the imminent demolition of the New Bird House along with a large swathe of the surrounding area (sealion pools, Australian exhibits, Asian hoofstock exhibits and pelican exhibit) and the construction of an "Asian Archipelago" zone of exhibits..... which is the reason for the winding-down and depopulation of the New Bird House as I originally noted :)

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So in short, I wasn't confusing the two houses at all and was correct in my original statement, but I *was* confused by the name of the two houses!
 

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Prague has 242 species of bird onshow, and even more onshow.
It seems like you made a little typo;)

I didn't include the bulbuls because I read somewhere on this forum that there weren't many left because the macaques prey on them.

And I was tempted to vote 5-0 as well, but I did not do so because they keep so many birds flight restricted. I also don't know barely anything about Leipzig, so if they would keep birds flight restricted as well somewhere, I'll vote 5-0.
 
Compelling arguments and lots of detail in the lists - thanks to everyone for sharing them in such detail - appreciated and indeed inspirational.

Have gone for 4:1 Prague as have not visited either collection so cannot make the detailed 5:1 case required myself though I can see how those with more extensive knowledge would be well able to. I’d also like most birds to be free flight but that’s a personal thing and the enclosures look well done either way.
 
@TeaLovingDave now i'm getting it too :) To be fair, i also learned about the name new and old bird house at Leipzig just a few months ago, when they demolished the first aviaries.

If i understood you correctly, the house is still open with less animals than a few years back. I guess that it is the 4:1 for me right now.
 
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If i understood you correctly, the house is still open with less animals than a few years back. I guess that it is the 4:1 for me right now.

Correct - I would estimate that at the time of my recent April 2025 visit it contained about half as many animals (both in terms of species and individual birds) as it did during my previous visit in September 2023.

Considering the fact that the house contains an informational display celebrating the half-centennial of its opening in 1969, I think it is little wonder that I got confused about the name you were using for it!
 
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