European (Tea)Cup - HEAD-TO-HEAD: Chester vs Prague (Asia)

Chester vs Prague - ASIA

  • Chester 5/0 Prague

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  • Chester 4/1 Prague

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  • Prague 5/0 Chester

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  • Total voters
    19
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As the title suggests, this one will focus on the ASIA category - as previously, the match will last for three days and although discussion of your reasoning and provision of supplementary evidence is not mandatory (except in cases of a 5:0 vote) it *is* very much encouraged.

Moreover, even if one does not feel comfortable voting, please do ask questions, post comments relating to your opinions on the evidence presented, and generally-speaking get involved in the wider discussion!
 
I think this might be the most interesting tie of the lot. Not many (any?) zoos in Europe are better than either of these for Asia I’d argue.

Will do something in better detail but for reference:

Chester:
  • The entirety of islands - Sumatran tigers, excellent orang enclosures, tapirs, sun bear, warty pig and Monsoon Forest.
  • Asian elephants and Indian rhinos
  • Asiatic lions
  • Snow leopards and Red pandas
  • Gibbons, otters, more orangs, babirusas
  • And a number of bird and herp exhibits scattered around.
A strong case, but:

Prague:
  • The entire Indonesian Jungle area (has some pitfalls but is of generally very high quality with some incredible species, not least Pangolins...
  • The new Gobi area - Przewalski's horse, Pallas's cat and the indoor area with a number of rodents, herps and inverts.
  • Sichuan Pavilion. These first three alone are quite something, but also:
  • Chambal Gharial pavilion with the batagurs and so on, plus the gibbons outside.
  • The entire Northern Forest area.
  • Two of the cliff exhibits (tahrs and turs).
  • Aviaries under the cliff, and the Great Aviary.
  • A number of terrariums and felids in the Feline and Reptile pavilion (the central Asian reptile terrarium, plus Amur leopard cats, multiple tiger ssp, lions and so on.
  • The small aviaries in the Children's zoo for Eurasian songbirds.
  • Elephant Valley
  • Malayan tapirs
  • And any number of Asian birds - two fish owl species, three green magpie species, many hornbills and so on.
In my opinion Prague wins on the basis that they approach Asia with a broader scope, with the best Central Asian exhibits of any zoo I’ve been to for example, plus the Sichuan building and representation of Siberia and the Far North too. It also has more innovative and interesting exhibits too in my opinion. For that reason 3-2 Prague right now but subject to change, and it’s certainly a tight one.
 
I think this might be the most interesting tie of the lot. Not many (any?) zoos in Europe are better than either of these for Asia I’d argue.

Will do something in better detail but for reference:

Chester:
  • The entirety of islands - Sumatran tigers, excellent orang enclosures, tapirs, sun bear, warty pig and Monsoon Forest.
  • Asian elephants and Indian rhinos
  • Asiatic lions
  • Snow leopards and Red pandas
  • Gibbons, otters, more orangs, babirusas
  • And a number of bird and herp exhibits scattered around.
A strong case, but:

Prague:
  • The entire Indonesian Jungle area (has some pitfalls but is of generally very high quality with some incredible species, not least Pangolins...
  • The new Gobi area - Przewalski's horse, Pallas's cat and the indoor area with a number of rodents, herps and inverts.
  • Sichuan Pavilion. These first three alone are quite something, but also:
  • Chambal Gharial pavilion with the batagurs and so on, plus the gibbons outside.
  • The entire Northern Forest area.
  • Two of the cliff exhibits (tahrs and turs).
  • Aviaries under the cliff, and the Great Aviary.
  • A number of terrariums and felids in the Feline and Reptile pavilion (the central Asian reptile terrarium, plus Amur leopard cats, multiple tiger ssp, lions and so on.
  • The small aviaries in the Children's zoo for Eurasian songbirds.
  • Elephant Valley
  • Malayan tapirs
  • And any number of Asian birds - two fish owl species, three green magpie species, many hornbills and so on.
In my opinion Prague wins on the basis that they approach Asia with a broader scope, with the best Central Asian exhibits of any zoo I’ve been to for example, plus the Sichuan building and representation of Siberia and the Far North too. It also has more innovative and interesting exhibits too in my opinion. For that reason 3-2 Prague right now but subject to change, and it’s certainly a tight one.
And the Giant Salamanders too!

My instinct is 3/2 Prague as well for this… do the Polar Bears count for Asia too though out of interest?
 
Having been to both zoos, I think Prague definitely has the advantage here. Granted, 'Monsoon Forest' was closed when I went to Chester, and with my visit coming in the winter, the whole 'Islands' complex had a lot of immersion-breaking areas of sparsity, and the blatantly English surroundings made the themed elements seem even more obtrusive.

Prague's three absolute best exhibits (in my opinion) all count here, as do some of their biggest breeding triumphs, and there is lots else of serious quality throughout the zoo. Chester has perhaps the two best orangutan enclosures in Europe, a series of mammal enclosures in 'Islands' and their vitally prolific record with Babirusa, but in terms of overall novelty, creativity and quantity the Czech zoo is ahead.

Starting off with those three exhibits which I mentioned as being Prague's best...

Giant Salamander Pavilion / Velemlokarium:

A very simple but effective design that may be the best showcase of this fascinating species in the world. The Velemlokarium is a network of five very sizable aquaria, well-landscaped with rocks and dens for privacy, plus numerous further offshow tanks all allegedly connected by a water cascade. Two of these have a particularly interesting design where a pane of glass hidden just below the surface of the water gives the illusion of them being open-topped an unnervingly easy to fall into, while a third encourages you to climb in and look up at the salamanders, something that people of all ages can do. For half the day, the Pavilion is kept in nocturnal conditions for optimal activity, and policed by staff to prevent loud noises or photography; the resulting darkness and silence only enhances the oddity of these truly giant salamanders (and some of Prague's specimens are especially giant!).




With vivariums for two further rarities (Impressed Tortoise and Mangshan Pitviper) also present.

Gharial Pavilion / Chambal:

Another example of Prague taking a very simple and ubiquitously used idea and turning it up to eleven to enormous success. At the end of the day, Chambal is a big indoor pool with crocodiles. But the presence of 6 crocs, the fact that they are of a scarcely kept species (Gharials), and all six of them are enormous specimens makes it a little more dramatic. Then there are the inhabitants mixed with the crocodiles: huge and colourful schools of various fish including Giant Danios, and four species of turtles, all relatively rare in captivity, starring the huge, critically endangered Northern Batagurs who often follow the crocodiles about in a tremendously entertaining display. And if that isn't interesting enough, there is also a terrestrial species living with the Gharials on land, the Indian Star Tortoise!

Design-wise, the pool is simple. Very large, very deep, with three separate banks for resting, but just as nice is the flooded bank allowing the animals to lie down and rest while still being partially in the water.

There is also a very large outdoor pool, but I don't think the Gharials have access to it anymore. On my visit it was home with European Pond Turtles who in theory could be mixed with the crocs just as the Asian turtles are, but I don't think so. I've been told in the post on this forum that the long-term plan is potentially to make this indoors and an extension of the exisiting pool. Just in case it is still in use, I've attached a photo.





Rock Outcrop:

I imagine that most enthusiasts are familiar with these exhibits regardless of whether or not they've been to Prague. Two of Prague's huge cliffiside goat exhibits, providing mountain-dwelling bovids with a near-vertical rock slope, house Asian species: West Caucasian Tur and Himalayan Tahr. Both of these enclosures are mind-blowingly good. I won't go into too much detail as the photos speak for themselves.





But it isn't just goats. There are also red pandas and a huge aviary for Cinereous Vultures and Booted Eagles. Chester also has a huge Cinereous Vulture aviary, but Prague's is slightly bigger by area and quite a bit bigger by height (though the latter is of course purely guesswork as it can't be measured with Google Maps ;)).




Now moving onto what may well be ZooChat's favourite Prague exhibit, and even if I don't quite love it as much as other enthusiasts do, it's impossible to deny its excellence.

Sichuan Pavilion:

Again, simple but excellent. A fairly large indoor walkthrough aviary with dense foliage and a good mix of lively birds. The added layer of excellence comes from the fact that its not tropical, but a temperate forest-based aviary for birds of the Sichuan province in western China, and barring a few random, slightly immersion-breaking palm trees, the vegetation reflects this. There are plenty of rarities, with the only Scaly and Barred Laughingthrush in Europe to name just two.




So post #40 in this thread for a species list.

That's all that I have time to do for the time being but I will definitely come back later and cover the rest of the zoo if nobody else has beaten me to it. :)
 
A few more photos now...

Indonesian Jungle Pavilion:

The most expensive project in Czech history when it opened in 2004, this tropical hall, with its overuse of concrete, linear and thus congested pathway, and almost total lack of free-flying birds barring some bulbuls which are all but difficult to spot, now doesn't exactly look world-beating. I definitely don't think it holds a candle to 'Monsoon Forest' or even the much older 'Tropical Realm,' baring in mind that due to avian influenza on my Chester visit I haven't seen either of those two in person yet.

However, this Pavilion still has a lot that is really great. The series of paludariums at the entrance exceed anything relevant at Chester for fish, and they also have a remarkable selection of turtles mixed in. There are further turtles and big fish in the moat surrounding the macaques, and one of the biggest and best binturong enclosures that I've seen shared with Smooth-coated Otters. For the free-ranging Common Tree Frogs this must be heaven on Earth, and all of the enclosures in the nocturnal corridor are really good, as are the reptile displays for such species as Komodo Dragons and Bornean Earless Monitor. There are Palawan Porcupines and the only Sunda Slow Loris in Europe.

The absolute highlight though are the Chinese Pangolins, bred at Prague for the first time in European history in 2023, and then again in 2024. Their three onshow enclosures, plus several more offshow ones, are bizarrely not depicted in the gallery, with the following photos from @twilighter provided in a previous Cup thread being the best we have:

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A few more photos of the rest of the Pavilion:








Elephant Valley:

A fairly good Asia Elephant enclosure. It's a roughly a similar size to Chester's overall, but of course the English collection does have the advantage of their very well-managed, multi-generational herd where the bull lives with the cows nearly year-round. Much like Chester's, I don't like the indoors much, but while Prague's barn is smaller than Chester's it provides more natural substrate, which for me is more important. One huge advantage over the opposition is the near comprehensive coverage of grass in the cow yard, something very rare in elephant displays. In terms of enrichment, complexity and water features, Chester's is slightly ahead.

The live cameras on the zoo's website are a good way to better appreciate Elephant Valley.



Northern Forest:

For colder-climate European and Asian species, all in quite excellent enclosures if you ask me...





Across the Continents:

Only the Lowland Anoa and Kulan count here, but they have a good enclosure.



Plains:

A little more counts in this big conglomeration of hoofstock displays...



As well as Java Rusas and Kiang whose enclosures aren't really shown too well.

Gobi:

Prague's newest exhibit, representing an area of the world where they are heavily involved in various in situ conservation projects. It is centred around the Przsewalski's Horse, uniquely kept on sand rather than grass or concrete, but also has some really interesting reptiles, invertebrates and small mammals. These include Steppe Lemming, Long-eared Hedgehog, Pallas' Cat, Tartar Sand Boa (inspiration for the Mongolian death worm legend) and Mongolian Sunwatcher (the only ones in Europe). Prague are excellent at designing layered, attractive desert-themed terrariums, and that is a huge advantage, enabling the animals to submerge in the thick sand; watching the Gobi Racerunners speed through the sand and flick it in the air is good fun. The theming is also tastefully subtle and all linked to conservation; for me, this is what 'Islands' should have been achieved, but failed to.


To be continued...
 





Feline and Reptile Pavilion:

There are a fair few relevant reptiles here too, most of which are kept in great terrariums not pictured in the gallery.

Cat-wise, this is a divisive building. The indoor areas are as ugly as it comes and a little small, but the outdoor areas are (in my opinion) excellent for the tigers, essentially world-class for the small cats, and admittedly a tad mediocre for the lion. The zoo has both Malayan and Sumatran tigers here (not to mention Siberians elsewhere) and both Palawan and Amur Leopard Cats.







This is still nowhere near everything, but it is about all in terms of large mammals, barring the gibbons in WWAMI. There are also several excellent avian displays as well as those I've already described, some of which touched on by @amur leopard already. If you want a species list, then read my review (especially the final two posts) and find the various Asian birds in the Pheasantry, and my beloved Stork Aviary under the cliff.

But I will leave you with some of Prague's notable breeding successes (mainly from the 21st Century) from their website:

- First Czechoslovak zoo to breed orangutans 1971
- First continental zoo to breed Komodo Dragons in 2007 (and most prolific since then)
- First European zoo to breed Barred Laughingthrush in 2011
- First European zoo to breed Rufous-cheeked Laughingthrush in 2012
- First zoo in the world to breed Brahminy River Turtle in 2012.
- First continental zoo to breed Pesquet's Parrots in 2020.
- First European zoo to bred pangolins in 2023.

Those are just the ones that the zoo bothers to show off on their website, but there are surely a lot more.

And of course, this has arguably been the most instrumental of all the European participants in the introduction of Przewalski's Horses back to Mongolia, and is also beginning further conservation work in the region with Wild Bactrian Camels and Gobi Bears.

The zoo also does a lot of in situ work with Gharials, Negros birds and Javan birds. Read more here.
 
I think this might be the most interesting tie of the lot. Not many (any?) zoos in Europe are better than either of these for Asia I’d argue

Very likely TP Berlin is the only other that can compete here imo.

A small reminder that the polar bears at Prague are also an Asian species... And the quality of their exhibit has been discussed a few times during the cup.

Does Chester have any nad exhibits at this category?
 
I think this might be the most interesting tie of the lot. Not many (any?) zoos in Europe are better than either of these for Asia I’d argue.

It definitely deserves to be a *lot* closer than it currently is, I reckon. I think that a result as close as 52-48 in either direction would be far more accurate than 60-40 in favour of Prague..... let alone the single 80-20 vote in favour of Prague!

. It also has more innovative and interesting exhibits too in my opinion.

The Chinese Giant Salamander house is definitely innovative and interesting, but I would argue that nothing else at Prague is as innovative, interesting or high-quality as the Orangutan exhibits at Chester!

A small reminder that the polar bears at Prague are also an Asian species... And the quality of their exhibit has been discussed a few times during the cup.

And funnily enough the same user who - when Prague drew the "Mountains and Poles" category against Stuttgart - asserted that the poor quality of the polar bear exhibit meant it was automatically exempt from winning no matter how strong it was otherwise and voted against it accordingly, but then voted 4-1 in favour of Prague in the recent "Water and Wetlands" match against Chester despite the exhibit being relevant for that category too, has once again voted 4-1 for Prague despite how closely-matched everyone else acknowledges the two competitors are, and the continued presence of the polar bear exhibit.

It would be good to hear from them and determine why they are voting so heavily against Chester despite these factors, but given their total refusal to acknowledge this point last time round, I'm starting to suspect they simply have a personal dislike for Chester :rolleyes::D

Does Chester have any nad exhibits at this category?

I do not believe so - the Asian exhibits at Chester range from good to excellent, in my opinion.

Conversely, although Prague *does* have a lot of highs, it also has a greater number of low points and also - I would argue - rather more "okay-to-average" exhibits.

Prague's three absolute best exhibits (in my opinion) all count here

As do some of its absolute poorest :D

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I shall do my best to convince enough people to switch allegiance to Chester, or indeed vote for Chester to begin with, that the result is pulled closer to the coin-flip that it should be - but I will allow time for others to (hopefully) take the lead on this before I go into detail and provide photographic summaries.

For now, I will argue that Chester has:

  • The best exhibit for Bornean Orangutan in Europe.
  • The Islands complex as a whole, which contains amongst other things....
  • the best exhibit for Sumatran Orangutan in Europe
  • the best exhibit for Sulawesi Black Macaque in Europe - compare and contrast to the significantly-less high quality macaque exhibitry at Prague!
  • the best exhibit for Sun Bear in Europe - again, compare and contrast to the relevant bear exhibit at Prague!
  • ....and the best hornbill exhibit in Europe.
  • Two exceptionally-good large tropical houses in Monsoon Forest and Tropical Realm, both of which are far superior to the Indonesian Pavilion at Prague.
  • Involvement in a correspondingly-wide range of conservation projects both ex-situ and in-situ.
  • Numerous other good-to-excellent exhibits scattered throughout the zoo, including Asian Elephants, Indian Rhinoceros, Dragons in Danger, Asiatic Lion, Onager, Snow Leopard and Red Panda, and assorted taxa within Realm of the Red Ape.
  • Extremely strong breeding records in a wide variety of category taxa - Babirusa being the obvious choice, but the fact that Chester was one of the first European collections (I don't know enough to say for sure it was *the* first European collection) to successfully establish parent-reared captive breeding of both Orangutan species is also a major bonus.
 
  • The best exhibit for Bornean Orangutan in Europe.
  • The Islands complex as a whole, which contains amongst other things....
  • the best exhibit for Sumatran Orangutan in Europe
  • the best exhibit for Sulawesi Black Macaque in Europe - compare and contrast to the significantly-less high quality macaque exhibitry at Prague!
  • the best exhibit for Sun Bear in Europe - again, compare and contrast to the relevant bear exhibit at Prague!
  • ....and the best hornbill exhibit in Europe.

A lot of pretty bold claims there, which for the most part I do like. I'd tentatively agree on the orangs, although there are a few places I haven't visited which I suspect might be up there too. Agreed on the sun bears, I'd argue their closest competition might actually be Colchester funnily enough.

The macaques I think Whipsnade might now be better, but granted it's in the top tier. Hornbill I can't agree - maybe the best aviary for only hornbills, fair.

On the flip side, Prague has the best for Himalayan tahr and West Caucasian tur by a country mile, and I don't believe Chester has an answer for Prague on the bird or small mammal side of things at all (Sichuan, the nocturnal part of the Indonesian pavilion, small cats (which are pretty well housed in Prague by the by), the Great aviary and aviaries under the cliff, the wetlands aviaries, the small Eurasian songbird aviaries - on everything but large mammals, Prague is significantly better than Chester in this category, no?

I'll give you that Prague is probably less good on the Indonesian side of things, and that most of Prague's primate exhibits compare unfavourably to Chester's. But I raise you the hoofstock, where Chester is blown out of the water comfortably.

Extremely strong breeding records in a wide variety of category taxa

Hardly a weak suit for Prague, in fairness. Prague has been pretty instrumental throughout the conservation of the Przewalski's horse, and is very much taking the front seat on it currently. But also beyond the pangolin breeding, fishing owl breeding, orang breeding. Hardly slacks on this front.
 
  • The best exhibit for Bornean Orangutan in Europe.
  • The Islands complex as a whole, which contains amongst other things....
  • the best exhibit for Sumatran Orangutan in Europe
  • the best exhibit for Sulawesi Black Macaque in Europe - compare and contrast to the significantly-less high quality macaque exhibitry at Prague!
  • the best exhibit for Sun Bear in Europe - again, compare and contrast to the relevant bear exhibit at Prague!
  • ....and the best hornbill exhibit in Europe.
  • Two exceptionally-good large tropical houses in Monsoon Forest and Tropical Realm, both of which are far superior to the Indonesian Pavilion at Prague.
  • Involvement in a correspondingly-wide range of conservation projects both ex-situ and in-situ.
  • Numerous other good-to-excellent exhibits scattered throughout the zoo, including Asian Elephants, Indian Rhinoceros, Dragons in Danger, Asiatic Lion, Onager, Snow Leopard and Red Panda, and assorted taxa within Realm of the Red Ape.
  • Extremely strong breeding records in a wide variety of category taxa - Babirusa being the obvious choice, but the fact that Chester was one of the first European collections (I don't know enough to say for sure it was *the* first European collection) to successfully establish parent-reared captive breeding of both Orangutan species is also a major bonus.
I can't agree with you on two of those points: I'd rate the Burgers' sun bear exhibit as superior to Chester's, and as excellent as their various hornbill aviaries are, none of them can compare to the zoos that have them free flight in walkthrough aviaries or tropical houses (yet again, look at Burgers' with the Bush).

However, I agree with you elsewhere, certainly in the sense that this is an extremely close match. To be honest, I don't think 3-2 is too one-sided and I wouldn't say its a coin toss (because as @amur leopard says, Prague is far ahead in all regards bar large mammals), but 4-1 Prague is indeed wholly unwarranted.
 
Out and about at a music festival right now, but thought I'd quickly respond to a handful of points:

Hornbill I can't agree - maybe the best aviary for only hornbills, fair.

Hornbill-specific is indeed what I was referring to - although I'd be interested to hear which mixed exhibits containing hornbills you think are superior to the big outdoor-and-indoor exhibit for Javan Rhinoceros Hornbill within Islands?

In any case, highlighting the hornbill collection at Chester is particularly pertinent given the fact that both yourself and @Kalaw , among others, have historically criticised the quality and size of the hornbill exhibits at Prague.

and I don't believe Chester has an answer for Prague on the bird or small mammal side of things at all

You are entirely correct with regards to small mammals, but I think you are entirely wrong when it comes to birds - Prague is superior where larger Asian birds are concerned (barring the aforementioned hornbills), largely thanks to the big mixed stork aviary, but I would still contend that Chester is superior in terms of exhibit quality where small bird species are concerned.... and pulls its weight very nicely when it comes to species diversity and rarity too. As much as yourself and @Kalaw highlight the Sichuan pavillion as a major reason to argue Prague has the edge where small birds are concerned, I would argue that in terms of walkthrough aviaries for Asian birds both Monsoon Forest and Tropical Realm beat Sichuan hands-down.

on everything but large mammals, Prague is significantly better than Chester in this category, no?

Prague is far ahead in all regards bar large mammals),

No :D

  • Prague is significantly better in small mammals - mostly because Chester has little in this regard.
  • Chester is significantly better in large mammals - both Chester and Prague have excellent exhibits, but the former has a much higher overall standard, and the latter has a handful of poor or middling exhibits dragging it down.
  • Prague is better for larger birds per the above, with the aforementioned caveat that it is stymied by hornbills - which Chester is significantly better in.
  • Chester is better overall for smaller birds per the above.
  • Prague has the single best Asian ectotherm exhibit between the two collections - in fact I think it's possibly the best ectotherm exhibit in Europe full stop - but I would argue that Chester otherwise has a better selection of lower-tier but still high-quality exhibits for Asian ectotherms. As such I think ectotherms is hard to call, as it comes down to whether individual excellence or overall standard is the more reliable criterion.
Hence my stance that it's much more of a coin-toss than is being suggested :)

But I raise you the hoofstock, where Chester is blown out of the water comfortably.

Again, not so much - Prague has one major exhibit for which Chester has no direct answer (the excellent mountain hoofstock exhibits) and one exhibit where the two directly contend and excel in different aspects (Asian Elephant), but otherwise Chester has a whole array of excellent exhibits for which Prague has no direct answer (Babirusa, Indian Rhinoceros, Warty Pig for instance) and also several exhibits with direct equivalents at Prague where I would argue Chester has the edge (Onager vs Kulan and Przewalski Horse, Bactrian Camel, Lowland Anoa for instance).
 
Hornbill-specific is indeed what I was referring to - although I'd be interested to hear which mixed exhibits containing hornbills you think are superior to the big outdoor-and-indoor exhibit for Javan Rhinoceros Hornbill within Islands?
If I remember right Antwerp's Buffalo Aviary is the only big mixed enclosure with hornbills (Von der Decken's Hornbill). There were many other mixed exhibits (Doué la Fontaine's Okapi sanctury and the smaller African aviary, Burger's Bush (two times), Walsrode's Paradieshalle and Jungle Trail (in this enclosure it worked but they had to close the exhibit) Zie-Zoo's flamingo aviary ...) trying to mix hornbills with other birds, but most of them failed or don't keep hornbills anymore, as hornbills are very agressive.
 
Chester is better overall for smaller birds per the above.

Disagree - Sichuan is one example of what Prague has to offer for small birds but what about the Eurasian songbird aviaries, or the Aviaries under the cliff, or the wetlands aviaries, or indeed even free flight in the Indonesian jungle. I haven’t been to Monsoon forest - what is the set up there for small birds?

but I would argue that Chester otherwise has a better selection of lower-tier but still high-quality exhibits for Asian ectotherms.

Again I disagree here - Prague is clearly better on quantity but quality wise - a couple of the open air terraria on the cliff count here, as does Chambal (!!), the large terrarium for a wide variety of Central Asian lizards, the entire Gobi terrarium area, the various turtles in Indonesian jungle, especially the Enigmatic leaf turtle, Komodo dragons, Bornean earless monitor and so on in the same building. I’m sure I’m missing stuff too. And that is when discounting the giant salamanders…

If I remember right Antwerp's Buffalo Aviary is the only big mixed enclosure with hornbills (Von der Decken's Hornbill)

Vincennes’ European aviary still also has hornbills. I believe there are other examples, have to have a think - trying to recall whether Sigean had hornbills mixed for example.
 
Disagree - Sichuan is one example of what Prague has to offer for small birds but what about the Eurasian songbird aviaries, or the Aviaries under the cliff, or the wetlands aviaries

And to flip it around, Monsoon Forest and Tropical Realm are *two* examples of what Chester has to offer for small birds, but what about the multiple walkthrough Indonesian songbird aviaries elsewhere in Islands, or the "Rainbow Aviaries" next to the outdoor Chimpanzee exhibit holding a selection of Asian passerines and pheasants, or the selection of excellent mixed aviaries for Asian bird species within Dragons In Danger, or the old "Owl Row" of aviaries just down from the Snow Leopard exhibit which now focuses on pheasants and laughingthrushes, or the aviaries for assorted Eurasian songbirds outside the Asian Elephant house? Also, there is the small matter of Chester having spearheaded the establishment of an ex-situ captive breeding programme for Javan Green Magpie :D

I specifically raised Monsoon and Tropical as counters to Sichuan without mentioning the other exhibits because they are the closest in general "kind" - being large walkthrough aviaries primarily holding smaller birds - to the latter exhibit, which both @Kalaw and yourself cited as a major small bird highlight before you claimed that Chester has "no answer" to anything Prague has regarding birds.

or indeed even free flight in the Indonesian jungle.

Counting two or three individual bulbuls which managed to survive the ill-fated attempt several years ago to add free-flying birds to Indonesian Jungle - which ended with the macaques killing and eating the vast majority - as a means of counting the exhibit as a free-flight exhibit to counter anything I cited is a *bit* over the top :rolleyes: the exhibit otherwise is entirely devoid of any free-flying birds.

I haven’t been to Monsoon forest - what is the set up there for small birds?

Free-flying throughout the main body of the house, with viewing both at ground level and tree-top level due to the route that the visitor path takes through the exhibit. I'm actually surprised to hear you haven't seen the exhibit yet, as you produced a pretty good map of it a few years back!

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Free-flying birds occur throughout the lower two-thirds of the exhibit in that image - barring the Sulawesi Macaque indoor exhibit at the bottom right, and the Sunda Gharial exhibit in the central lower-third.

Again I disagree here - Prague is clearly better on quantity but quality wise - a couple of the open air terraria on the cliff count here, as does Chambal (!!), the large terrarium for a wide variety of Central Asian lizards, the entire Gobi terrarium area, the various turtles in Indonesian jungle, especially the Enigmatic leaf turtle, Komodo dragons, Bornean earless monitor and so on in the same building.

Chambal is indeed excellent, but (as I mentioned in a previous round) both smaller and shallower than the Sunda Gharial exhibit within Monsoon Forest - so in terms of exhibit quality I would actually give the latter the edge. Monsoon in general contains a wide variety of excellent Asian ectotherm exhibits (most notably the Tripa Research Complex exhibits displaying a range of invertebrates, fish, reptiles and amphibians) as does Realm of the Red Ape - and I have posted previously about the high quality of the multiple exhibits (indoor and outdoor) for Komodo Dragon at Chester.

Moreover, although Prague certainly beats Chester on quantity where Asian reptiles are concerned, I think that the latter is true when it comes to amphibians, fish and invertebrates.
 
Back from a zootrip just in time to make some points. I think it is a very interessting category for Prague, since most of their best exhibts are coverd as well as most of the weaker ones.

I admit, that Pragues Gobi is something special. But i've got a big question for all who praises the husbandary of the terrariums.
The Tatar sand boa is a species which is used to hide under the sand at in caves allmost allways visibler directly at the glas? (Small hint, not because the exhibit is great, something that is unacceptable at a newly oppend exhibition). The manul exhibit also looks kind of out of place there

@Kalaw imo you are very soft to Prague and quite harsh to the oppenents.

I think Prague has some more flaws which weren't mentioned yet. While the aviary under the cliff is really good, the rest of Pragues bird of preys are kept in (to) small aviaries, including severell Asian species like Stellers sea eagle or different vultures. The missing outdoor areas for most of the larger mammals at the Indonesian jungle is also quite a flaw imo. I'm unsure about the pangolins. They are doing something right at Prague with them, but i liked the exhibit at Leipzig more.

The pheasantry (and in particular the different hornbill species here) is also quite a sad view. Furthermore a bunch of Pragues clipped birds (flamingos and cranes) are from Asia. And the large cat exhibits are imo also on the small side.

So with the Polar bears and the mentioned stuff there is quite a lot where Prague isn't doing the best.

I'm well aware of Pragues amazing offerings at this category, i only picked the negativ ones becaue i think they should be discussed too. To conclude, if i were an Asian animal i would defintly prefer to live at Chester than at Prague. Maybe Chester is missing an Giant Salander house or a Sichuan pavillion but the overall quality seems to be higher at the British island. And imo since both offer a high variaty of countable species the edge should be with the quality not the quantity

By the way there is a nice hornbill mix at Schmiding with tragopans and golden pheasants (+muntjac)
 
Maybe Chester is missing an Giant Salander house or a Sichuan pavillion

...although as already established, I disagree that Chester *is* lacking an equivalent to the Sichuan Pavillion at all, and would argue it has two equivalents!

I think it is a very interessting category for Prague, since most of their best exhibts are coverd as well as most of the weaker ones......So with the Polar bears and the mentioned stuff there is quite a lot where Prague isn't doing the best.

This raises a point I had been hoping someone else would make, as I didn't really want to be the sole individual driving discussion and providing information about what Chester has to offer in this category, but which as time is growing short I might as well post now:

Some of Chester's very best exhibits within this category are directly equivalent to the weakest exhibits Prague has to offer - to demonstrate my point, I shall compare the various big cat exhibits at the two collections, the orangutan and gibbon exhibits, the hornbill exhibits, as well as the respective bear and macaque exhibits. I'll also provide photographs of the two large bird walkthrough exhibits containing Asian taxa, as a further counter to the claim that Sichuan lacks an equivalent in scale or quality at Chester.

I have limited time at the moment, so I shall start off with cats as this is one of the aspects we haven't discussed much in prior matches:

Asian big cats at Chester:

Snow Leopard - this comprises a pair of large and attractively-landscaped exhibits, with offshow dens at the rear and smaller onshow dens next to the visitor viewing windows - the whole exhibit complex covers almost 2000 m²:

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Asiatic Lion - a massive outdoor exhibit containing several den structures, as well as a large onshow indoor exhibit, with the entire complex covering around 4,900 m²:

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Sumatran Tiger - a pair of linked outdoor exhibits containing several den structures, as well as extensive offshow areas, with the entire complex covering around 2,400 m²:

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Asian big cats at Prague:

Asiatic Lion - the outdoor exhibit is around 1000 m²

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Sumatran Tiger - the outdoor exhibit is a total of 500 m²

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Malayan Tiger - the outdoor exhibit is a total of 300 m²

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Siberian Tiger - this exhibit is in an area of the zoo with dense-enough vegetation that it has been impossible for me to calculate its footplan using Google Earth, but I would estimate it is by some margin the largest big cat exhibit at Prague, at maybe a similar size to the Snow Leopard exhibit at Chester.

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Back from a zootrip just in time to make some points. I think it is a very interessting category for Prague, since most of their best exhibts are coverd as well as most of the weaker ones.

I admit, that Pragues Gobi is something special. But i've got a big question for all who praises the husbandary of the terrariums.
The Tatar sand boa is a species which is used to hide under the sand at in caves allmost allways visibler directly at the glas? (Small hint, not because the exhibit is great, something that is unacceptable at a newly oppend exhibition). The manul exhibit also looks kind of out of place there

@Kalaw imo you are very soft to Prague and quite harsh to the oppenents.

I think Prague has some more flaws which weren't mentioned yet. While the aviary under the cliff is really good, the rest of Pragues bird of preys are kept in (to) small aviaries, including severell Asian species like Stellers sea eagle or different vultures. The missing outdoor areas for most of the larger mammals at the Indonesian jungle is also quite a flaw imo. I'm unsure about the pangolins. They are doing something right at Prague with them, but i liked the exhibit at Leipzig more.

The pheasantry (and in particular the different hornbill species here) is also quite a sad view. Furthermore a bunch of Pragues clipped birds (flamingos and cranes) are from Asia. And the large cat exhibits are imo also on the small side.

So with the Polar bears and the mentioned stuff there is quite a lot where Prague isn't doing the best.

I'm well aware of Pragues amazing offerings at this category, i only picked the negativ ones becaue i think they should be discussed too. To conclude, if i were an Asian animal i would defintly prefer to live at Chester than at Prague. Maybe Chester is missing an Giant Salander house or a Sichuan pavillion but the overall quality seems to be higher at the British island. And imo since both offer a high variaty of countable species the edge should be with the quality not the quantity

By the way there is a nice hornbill mix at Schmiding with tragopans and golden pheasants (+muntjac)
I've only seen 'Gobi' once, but on that visit the sand boa was actually submerging itself in the sand, and indeed I got to watch it bury itself, which is a large reason why I have praised the quality of Prague's desert vivariums, and the fact that they enable arid reptiles to perform such behaviours, in the past. If yours and other people's experience is that the sand boa doesn't bury itself then perhaps I am indeed being over-generous and maybe the portion of the enclosure where I saw the boa in the sand was the only are where substrate is thick enough to enable this? Personally I thought the Pallas' Cat enclosure was really visually appealing, with a glossy appearance largely because its so new, but also interesting in being desert-themed rather than Siberian-themed. I'd be interested to hear why you think it's 'out of place'?

The hornbill aviaries in the Pheasantry are a lowlight of Prague for me, and one that I have repeatedly criticised on this forum before. They aren't even comparable to Chester's aviaries, and as someone who views hornbills as his favourite animal and firmly believes that the lack of flight space for large birds is one of the saddest issues at zoos as a whole, this is a big advantage for the English collection here. But I can't agree that the rest of the Pheasantry is poor whatsoever. Certainly, the aviaries struck me as no less spacious or well-designed than any comparable areas of Chester, such as the 'Rainbow Aviaries' or the ones by the elephant house that TLD cites above. Maybe the 'Owl Row' has a slight edge, though.

...although as already established, I disagree that Chester *is* lacking an equivalent to the Sichuan Pavillion at all, and would argue it has two equivalents!
Chester has two equivalents to Sichuan in the sense that they provide a huge all-indoor flight space for Asian birds, yes.

But the reason Sichuan is so beloved on this forum, perhaps even being Prague's most widely loved exhibit here, is more than that, it's largely it's focus on birds of mountainous temperate forests, from a corner of the globe that is scarcely represented in zoos. Correct me if I'm wrong (I haven't seen either in person), but neither 'Tropical Realm' nor 'Monsoon Forest' share this focus with regards to species list or vegetation types. Chester certainly has a few similar species to Sichuan throughout the zoo in certain aviaries, but I don't believe any of them are presented near as excellently as Sichuan.
 
For me it looked like, that the sand boa can only dive under sand at a 2 centimeter wide gap next to the viewing window (It took me two visits to notice ;) )
 
Siberian Tiger - this exhibit is in an area of the zoo with dense-enough vegetation that it has been impossible for me to calculate its footplan using Google Earth, but I would estimate it is by some margin the largest big cat exhibit at Prague, at maybe a similar size to the Snow Leopard exhibit at Chester.
The current siberian tiger exhibit is only around 720 m², the rest of the space was until recently occupied by leopards. In total the area encompasses around 1640 m². All of this space should be redeveloped for tigers in the near future, but for now the living conditions of the tigers aren't that nice. I am not even sure if the tigers are still there by now.
 
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