Bronx Zoo

Cat-Man said:
This would be anything but the best idea, and would in fact be a terrible one. They’ve proven all but impossible to keep outside of east Asia, and as much as I would love to see them in our zoos I don’t think the conveyer belt of dead monkeys that would come with it are worth it in the slightest!
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It isn’t terrible. Trust me, the Bronx Zoo housed them before, they can house them again.
 
RaptorFan9000 said:
It isn’t terrible. Trust me, the Bronx Zoo housed them before, they can house them again.
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"Just trust me bro!", bruh the trolling is not amusing. Just because Bronx has housed the species in the past doesn't mean that they can comfortably (and ethically) do so in the present. Many of those species are no longer present in US zoos for a very good reason. They are near impossible to obtain, hard to take care of on a basic level, and even harder to breed. This isn't the early 1900s were we didn't know better and just imported animals silly-willy to see what stuck around and what didn't.

Things have changed a lot since the days when Bronx had Proboscis Monkeys and Sumatran Rhinos. Keep in mind that Sumatran Rhinos were phased out in the first place because the breeding program was a failure (the last individual was moved to Indonesia rather than dying out). And that was back in 2015! That's not very long ago. If we couldn't successfully breed Sumatran Rhinos that recently, what hope do we have today? Why would you even import them today when they have been shown to do poorly outside of their native range and THEN shove them into an all-indoor enclosure that they have to share with another species?

Literally the only suggestion I can get behind is the Asian Water Monitor, because that is at least feasible (whether Bronx wants to actually bring in the species is another matter entirely). But everything else is, as has been said already, pure fantasy. Again, this should really go in the Speculative Zoo Design forum and NOT here.

And for the record, I did visit the Bronx Zoo last year; I spent 3 straight days rope-drop to close at the zoo and have even wrote an extensive review and species list (although it was before they announced World of Darkness returning).
 
Astrotom3000 said:
Speculative predictions/suggestions are probably better suited for a general discussion or speculative zoo design thread. But this thread isn't it. Besides, most of your suggestions are patently absurd.

Aside from the issues of even obtaining most of the listed species that others have already covered, you are also suggesting that they ROTATE Sumatran Rhinos and/or Lowland Anoas with Tapirs in an ALL-INDOOR exhibit that is barely adequate for just the Tapirs alone to begin with. That would require extensive (and expensive) alterations to the building's infrastructure and Tapir holding spaces. Not to mention the thought of one species spending entire days cooped up in holding stalls.
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This is becoming like a, “Fantasy Football League” and a rather macabre one at that - with people drooling over the possibility of what comes next after the last la for dies off.
I am certain the zoo will acquire other specimens of Malayan tapir when the need comes for a replacement.
The species has a long standing association with the zoo - throughout my zoo memory (1950s).
The will not repeat the failed experiment of mixing otters ( carnivores) and monkeys (primates ) so a more expansive exhibit for the Asian small clawed otters would not be the worst idea for the current langur habitat.
As to the current otter exhibit, binturong was mentioned because the specie was a previous occupant but lorises or cuscus could fit there - as could pangolin - which are now maintained by a number of AZA facilities - although - along with the lorises - they would sleep all day.
Has anyone considered Giant salamanders ? Although not indigenous to the Malay Archipelago ( Neither are gharial, for that matter) they are still an
“Asiatic” species -in keeping with that overall theme .
I recently saw one at National Zoo so they are maintained domestically
 
Don Majeski said:
This is becoming like a, “Fantasy Football League” and a rather macabre one at that - with people drooling over the possibility of what comes next after the last la for dies off.
I am certain the zoo will acquire other specimens of Malayan tapir when the need comes for a replacement.
The species has a long standing association with the zoo - throughout my zoo memory (1950s).
The will not repeat the failed experiment of mixing otters ( carnivores) and monkeys (primates ) so a more expansive exhibit for the Asian small clawed otters would not be the worst idea for the current langur habitat.
As to the current otter exhibit, binturong was mentioned because the specie was a previous occupant but lorises or cuscus could fit there - as could pangolin - which are now maintained by a number of AZA facilities - although - along with the lorises - they would sleep all day.
Has anyone considered Giant salamanders ? Although not indigenous to the Malay Archipelago ( Neither are gharial, for that matter) they are still an
“Asiatic” species -in keeping with that overall theme .
I recently saw one at National Zoo so they are maintained domestically
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The lorises are already in the World of Darkness. I am still hoping for proboscis monkeys to return. The tapirs need new exhibitmates. And I also miss the leopards (spotted and/or black).
 
Don Majeski said:
As to the current otter exhibit, binturong was mentioned because the specie was a previous occupant but lorises or cuscus could fit there - as could pangolin - which are now maintained by a number of AZA facilities - although - along with the lorises - they would sleep all day.
Has anyone considered Giant salamanders ? Although not indigenous to the Malay Archipelago ( Neither are gharial, for that matter) they are still an
“Asiatic” species -in keeping with that overall theme .
I recently saw one at National Zoo so they are maintained domestically
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I had previously suggested that Binturongs would be a good fit for the former leopard exhibit, but they can also work in the former otter exhibit as well if they install climbing structures.

Though I am not sure if Giant Salamanders would be a good fit here; I feel like you would almost never see them since there is no underwater viewing. I feel like they would be better suited for World of Reptiles, but they already have Hellbenders. But then again, so does North Carolina, and that isn't stopping them from maybe getting Giant Salamanders for their new Asia section. So who knows?

RaptorFan9000 said:
The lorises are already in the World of Darkness. I am still hoping for proboscis monkeys to return. The tapirs need new exhibitmates. And I also miss the leopards (spotted and/or black).
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The Tapir exhibit can already also be accessed by the gibbons, the fruit bats, and the dozen+ species of free-flying birds that inhabit that section of JungleWorld. The Tapirs don't need another terrestrial ungulate clogging up the space.

Look, I would love for these rare primates to return to US zoos as much as the next guy, but sadly, it's not happening barring a miracle.
 
Astrotom3000 said:
I had previously suggested that Binturongs would be a good fit for the former leopard exhibit, but they can also work in the former otter exhibit as well if they install climbing structures.

Though I am not sure if Giant Salamanders would be a good fit here; I feel like you would almost never see them since there is no underwater viewing. I feel like they would be better suited for World of Reptiles, but they already have Hellbenders. But then again, so does North Carolina, and that isn't stopping them from maybe getting Giant Salamanders for their new Asia section. So who knows?



The Tapir exhibit can already also be accessed by the gibbons, the fruit bats, and the dozen+ species of free-flying birds that inhabit that section of JungleWorld. The Tapirs don't need another terrestrial ungulate clogging up the space.

Look, I would love for these rare primates to return to US zoos as much as the next guy, but sadly, it's not happening barring a miracle.
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When I go to the Bronx Zoo, I will be sure to ask a zookeeper what will replace the langurs.
 
In all seriousness, and not to continue to derail the news thread, I know I'd love to see proboscis monkeys as well, but it's just not a very practical move for the zoo.

Say they import 1.2 monkeys, husbandry works out well, and they even breed. Those original 1.2 are going to age out and pass away.... and then who are those offspring going to mate with to keep the population going? Importing new species into the US doesn't do much good unless there's enough founder stock to establish a population that at least has a chance of being viable.

In situations where there is a sustainable population in an oversees population, like giant panda, for example, it's not so big of an issue (so in that vein, importing lion-tailed macaques from Europe would be doable... and that's at least a species which was long kept and successfully bred in US zoos). But importing proboscis monkeys would be a lot of time, expense, and effort for not much real return.
 
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