Melbourne Zoo The Future of Zoos Victoria 2025 (Speculation/Fantasy)

I’m glad a redevelopment of the elephant paddocks is planned for the near future. They had several years notice the elephants were transferring out, so I’d have expected something concrete to have been in place long ago.
Going years back, there were discussions ongoing regarding a replacement so I'd be quite surprised if they don't at least have a few solutions in mind for that area. The lack of an announcement thus far does give me hope it's something big ie. something that they're waiting for the government to confirm funding for before announcing it.

If the best idea they have for redeveloping Treetops is a ropes course, I’m more than happy for them to prioritise other projects for the time being. I’m sure we’re all be more receptive to the idea it was done in conjunction with aboreal animal exhibits (potentially even include the Xenarthra family, with the IRA hopefully processed within the next three years).
It's quite understandable when you can imagine that three of the species currently there likely won't be there in the not too distant future.

Spider Monkeys - numbers have dwindled to just 2.1, suggesting a recent transfer of perhaps the two viable females. A phase out could be on the cards.

Black and White Colobus - a move across to Werribee could be likely following the Vervets dying out. If not, they'd certainly be a species that I could foresee moving into the former Mandrill exhibit, or at least receiving a new habitat interlinked with this proposed 'rope course'.

White Cheeked Gibbon - a move to a redeveloped Orangutan/Gibbon precinct is a possibility, as is moving to the Japanese Island.

That essentially just leaves the two Tamarin species, both of which could also easily be accommodated elsewhere in the zoo. The current Squirrel Monkey exhibit being a good example of a potential home for either species. I'd also like to see the former Brush Turkey enclosure to be utilised, and either Tamarin species could present an opportunity there to further liven up Growing Wild.
The ACT government are funding Zoos Victoria $2 million to build a centre at Melbourne Zoo for the breeding of Canberra grassland earless dragons; which (unless the person who replied to your email confused Canberra GED with Victorian GED) is presumably being built in conjunction with this project, with the facilities benefiting the conservation of both species.
I agree, it's likely the centre will be utilised for both species then which is great news for the breeding and survival of both species.
 
Going years back, there were discussions ongoing regarding a replacement so I'd be quite surprised if they don't at least have a few solutions in mind for that area. The lack of an announcement thus far does give me hope it's something big ie. something that they're waiting for the government to confirm funding for before announcing it.


It's quite understandable when you can imagine that three of the species currently there likely won't be there in the not too distant future.

Spider Monkeys - numbers have dwindled to just 2.1, suggesting a recent transfer of perhaps the two viable females. A phase out could be on the cards.

Black and White Colobus - a move across to Werribee could be likely following the Vervets dying out. If not, they'd certainly be a species that I could foresee moving into the former Mandrill exhibit, or at least receiving a new habitat interlinked with this proposed 'rope course'.

White Cheeked Gibbon - a move to a redeveloped Orangutan/Gibbon precinct is a possibility, as is moving to the Japanese Island.

That essentially just leaves the two Tamarin species, both of which could also easily be accommodated elsewhere in the zoo. The current Squirrel Monkey exhibit being a good example of a potential home for either species. I'd also like to see the former Brush Turkey enclosure to be utilised, and either Tamarin species could present an opportunity there to further liven up Growing Wild.

I agree, it's likely the centre will be utilised for both species then which is great news for the breeding and survival of both species.

I’m excited to see what Melbourne Zoo announce as their replacement for the elephants. I’m inclined to believe it’ll be a trail of multiple species, though the renaming of the precinct to ‘Forests of Wonder’ was necessary to avoid misleading people into thinking they still had elephants; and going with something generic was the only alternative to revealing their new headlining species.

Auckland Zoo have discussed various ideas for their elephant exhibit, so it’s likely Zoos Victoria have similarly gone through a few changes themselves in response to what’s feasible within the constraints of import restrictions and above all else, the budget.

The Black and white colobus troop are an ageing troop, so I’d take a new purpose built exhibit for them as a sign of a long term commitment from Zoos Victoria. They’re breeding well at Adelaide, so it wouldn’t be difficult to source more long term. In the meantime, they could easily occupy the old Mandrill exhibit as you say. I’m not really sure why that hasn’t happened already to be honest.

I believe the only chance of Melbourne continuing with spider monkey is via a large mixed species exhibit with tapir. There’s no plans to relocate the baboons to Werribee anytime soon (freeing up their exhibit) and so the one opportunity to do this will come with the redevelopment of TOTE. We will hopefully have clarification in the coming months whether Brazilian tapir will join that precinct; though I can see Lupo remaining where he is, with the peccary exhibit becoming an extension to accomodate a female long term (5+ years depending on how long the peccaries live). They’d only have to redevelop the area for something else if they move Lupo out, so why bother when they have something suitable there already?
 
The elephants were likely to have been the zoos biggest drawcard so one would expect that they would need to replace that with something worthy so its not going to be a disappointment to the public, I don't believe they are just going to look for any "space filler" so I hope its something of note and worth waiting for
 
The elephants were likely to have been the zoos biggest drawcard so one would expect that they would need to replace that with something worthy so its not going to be a disappointment to the public, I don't believe they are just going to look for any "space filler" so I hope its something of note and worth waiting for

The elephants were definitely the zoo’s biggest drawcard, closely followed by the gorillas. Unless the zoo are going to loan a pair of Giant pandas, I struggle to think of a species that could meet or exceed the popularity of the elephants; but a few alternatives could be:

South Asia: Indian rhinoceros, Asian waterbuck and Indian antelope

South Asia: Sloth bear (probably a little too ambitious, but would be incredible).

South East Asia: Sumatran tiger, Sumatran orangutan and Siamang (expanded facilities for these species, all of which are already housed within this precinct), Komodo dragon

Central America/South America: Brazilian tapir, Black-handed spider monkey, Bolivian squirrel monkey, Xenarthra
 
The elephants were definitely the zoo’s biggest drawcard, closely followed by the gorillas. Unless the zoo are going to loan a pair of Giant pandas, I struggle to think of a species that could meet or exceed the popularity of the elephants; but a few alternatives could be:

South Asia: Indian rhinoceros, Asian waterbuck and Indian antelope

South Asia: Sloth bear (probably a little too ambitious, but would be incredible).

South East Asia: Sumatran tiger, Sumatran orangutan and Siamang (expanded facilities for these species, all of which are already housed within this precinct), Komodo dragon

Central America/South America: Brazilian tapir, Black-handed spider monkey, Bolivian squirrel monkey, Xenarthra
Indian rhinos would be the ideal species the current exhibit would come at "no cost" also they could be held until and if they wanted to move them out to Werribee zoo in the future. They are impressive to say the least with apparently some wild adult bulls weighing the same as some of the smaller adult cow elephants in Asia. Also in need of protection in the wild poachers are still a problem even still now with the Javan rhinos. We really need to have several pairs in the country and not just earmarked as a "Taronga" species and as @Jambo noted likely to get the thumbs down from some at Taronga!
 
The Black and white colobus troop are an ageing troop, so I’d take a new purpose built exhibit for them as a sign of a long term commitment from Zoos Victoria. They’re breeding well at Adelaide, so it wouldn’t be difficult to source more long term. In the meantime, they could easily occupy the old Mandrill exhibit as you say. I’m not really sure why that hasn’t happened already to be honest.
I too am not completely sure why the former Mandrill exhibit has not been occupied by the Colobus yet if that was the plan. Obviously it isn't suitable for them as of yet - ropes and platforms would need to be added; but those are relatively easy modifications. Zillie's transfer back to the GFA last year seemed to indicate the zoo was finally moving on with redeveloping/modifying that enclosure for a new species, but there's seemingly been no progress since.

It does make me wonder whether Zoos Vic actually do intend to display the Colobus there (as we have theorised). Perhaps they're waiting for confirmation on this new Ropes course, of which could lead to redeveloping the exhibit too ie. there's no point in redeveloping it now and then again, in five or so years time.
We will hopefully have clarification in the coming months whether Brazilian tapir will join that precinct; though I can see Lupo remaining where he is, with the peccary exhibit becoming an extension to accomodate a female long term (5+ years depending on how long the peccaries live).
The elephants were definitely the zoo’s biggest drawcard, closely followed by the gorillas. Unless the zoo are going to loan a pair of Giant pandas, I struggle to think of a species that could meet or exceed the popularity of the elephants; but a few alternatives could be:

South Asia: Indian rhinoceros, Asian waterbuck and Indian antelope

South Asia: Sloth bear (probably a little too ambitious, but would be incredible).

South East Asia: Sumatran tiger, Sumatran orangutan and Siamang (expanded facilities for these species, all of which are already housed within this precinct), Komodo dragon

Central America/South America: Brazilian tapir, Black-handed spider monkey, Bolivian squirrel monkey, Xenarthra
Sloth Bear would be huge, but as has been stated previously, they're a difficult species to work with when you consider the populations overseas aren't doing the best.

Leaning into the South East Asia theme is probably the most likely. An Orangutan and Gibbon expansion complimented by Komodo Dragon is the obvious suggestion. However that still leaves space for something else. The obvious suggestions being;

A) A Tiger expansion - combined with a new overhead pathway connecting the two habitats would be spectacular. That's likely if Melbourne wish to continue breeding the species, and would allow them to upgrade the current habitat too at the same time. Very possible.

B) A South American extension. Enclosures for Brazilian Tapir. Very possible too. An extension of this could also be supporting enclosures with the likes of Spider Monkey and/or any new Xenarthra species. Also a possibility, especially if they create a walkthrough aviary style enclosure in perhaps the largest elephant paddock. Not as likely, but still a good chance. Overall it would create a generic Rainforest trail (which isn't bad).

C) Perhaps in line with a South East Asian precinct, a large walk through aviary or a Tropical Dome (similar to Auckland's). I'd appreciate seeing more diversity around Melbourne, and the two Rainforest trails in particular really lack diversity aside from mammals. Zoos Victoria have recently gone in the direction of displaying some invertebrate species in the Forests of Wonder trail, so it gives me hope they'll really look at a more diversified precinct. So whilst unlikely due to the funds that would be required; certainly a 'watch this space'.
 
I too am not completely sure why the former Mandrill exhibit has not been occupied by the Colobus yet if that was the plan. Obviously it isn't suitable for them as of yet - ropes and platforms would need to be added; but those are relatively easy modifications. Zillie's transfer back to the GFA last year seemed to indicate the zoo was finally moving on with redeveloping/modifying that enclosure for a new species, but there's seemingly been no progress since.

It does make me wonder whether Zoos Vic actually do intend to display the Colobus there (as we have theorised). Perhaps they're waiting for confirmation on this new Ropes course, of which could lead to redeveloping the exhibit too ie. there's no point in redeveloping it now and then again, in five or so years time.


Sloth Bear would be huge, but as has been stated previously, they're a difficult species to work with when you consider the populations overseas aren't doing the best.

Leaning into the South East Asia theme is probably the most likely. An Orangutan and Gibbon expansion complimented by Komodo Dragon is the obvious suggestion. However that still leaves space for something else. The obvious suggestions being;

A) A Tiger expansion - combined with a new overhead pathway connecting the two habitats would be spectacular. That's likely if Melbourne wish to continue breeding the species, and would allow them to upgrade the current habitat too at the same time. Very possible.

B) A South American extension. Enclosures for Brazilian Tapir. Very possible too. An extension of this could also be supporting enclosures with the likes of Spider Monkey and/or any new Xenarthra species. Also a possibility, especially if they create a walkthrough aviary style enclosure in perhaps the largest elephant paddock. Not as likely, but still a good chance. Overall it would create a generic Rainforest trail (which isn't bad).

C) Perhaps in line with a South East Asian precinct, a large walk through aviary or a Tropical Dome (similar to Auckland's). I'd appreciate seeing more diversity around Melbourne, and the two Rainforest trails in particular really lack diversity aside from mammals. Zoos Victoria have recently gone in the direction of displaying some invertebrate species in the Forests of Wonder trail, so it gives me hope they'll really look at a more diversified precinct. So whilst unlikely due to the funds that would be required; certainly a 'watch this space'.
If they were to go further with the South East Asia theme why not add a pair of Sri Lankan Leopards and become part of the regional program?
 
I too am not completely sure why the former Mandrill exhibit has not been occupied by the Colobus yet if that was the plan. Obviously it isn't suitable for them as of yet - ropes and platforms would need to be added; but those are relatively easy modifications. Zillie's transfer back to the GFA last year seemed to indicate the zoo was finally moving on with redeveloping/modifying that enclosure for a new species, but there's seemingly been no progress since.

It does make me wonder whether Zoos Vic actually do intend to display the Colobus there (as we have theorised). Perhaps they're waiting for confirmation on this new Ropes course, of which could lead to redeveloping the exhibit too ie. there's no point in redeveloping it now and then again, in five or so years time.


Sloth Bear would be huge, but as has been stated previously, they're a difficult species to work with when you consider the populations overseas aren't doing the best.

Leaning into the South East Asia theme is probably the most likely. An Orangutan and Gibbon expansion complimented by Komodo Dragon is the obvious suggestion. However that still leaves space for something else. The obvious suggestions being;

A) A Tiger expansion - combined with a new overhead pathway connecting the two habitats would be spectacular. That's likely if Melbourne wish to continue breeding the species, and would allow them to upgrade the current habitat too at the same time. Very possible.

B) A South American extension. Enclosures for Brazilian Tapir. Very possible too. An extension of this could also be supporting enclosures with the likes of Spider Monkey and/or any new Xenarthra species. Also a possibility, especially if they create a walkthrough aviary style enclosure in perhaps the largest elephant paddock. Not as likely, but still a good chance. Overall it would create a generic Rainforest trail (which isn't bad).

C) Perhaps in line with a South East Asian precinct, a large walk through aviary or a Tropical Dome (similar to Auckland's). I'd appreciate seeing more diversity around Melbourne, and the two Rainforest trails in particular really lack diversity aside from mammals. Zoos Victoria have recently gone in the direction of displaying some invertebrate species in the Forests of Wonder trail, so it gives me hope they'll really look at a more diversified precinct. So whilst unlikely due to the funds that would be required; certainly a 'watch this space'.
If they were to go further with the South East Asia theme why not add a pair of Sri Lankan Leopards and become part of the regional program?

I think overhead tunnels to connect to an additional two Sumatran tiger exhibits would greatly enhance the precinct. Having seen Auckland and Taronga’s complexes, one thing that really hit home was the enrichment that came from the rotational aspect of the complex. Taronga’s tigers were intently sniffing where previous occupants have been and Auckland’s female obsess over Ramah and what he’s up to when they get a glimpse of him.

Auckland’s design is especially ingenious in that the viewing windows of the medium and large exhibits form the opposing sides of the visitor viewing space. The tigers stare through the crowds to see each other.

Tying in with what @Zorro suggested, an additional exhibit or two could be added for Sri Lankan leopard and the cats all rotate. The housing of leopards adjacent to lions/tigers at other zoos suggested they’re unphased by the their presence and would likely find it equally enriching.
 
Why are they building a tree tops rope course? That seems like a waste of space especially if it see species being phased out for it. The one at taronga is a monumental waste of space.

The fact they havent yet revealed what the elephant replacement will be, hopefully will mean they have something decent in the works. At this point tho, importing a pair of Indian rhino would be a good compliment to the area. However rhino are not always as popular.
 
Why are they building a tree tops rope course? That seems like a waste of space especially if it see species being phased out for it. The one at taronga is a monumental waste of space.

The fact they havent yet revealed what the elephant replacement will be, hopefully will mean they have something decent in the works. At this point tho, importing a pair of Indian rhino would be a good compliment to the area. However rhino are not always as popular.

Like @Jambo said, it hasn’t been confirmed. It remains a threat at this stage.

For the record, I agree with you it would be a waste of space. Melbourne has phased out numerous species and to dedicate additional space to visitor amenities would be a regression in my opinion. It’s like a playground no one asked for.
 
Like @Jambo said, it hasn’t been confirmed. It remains a threat at this stage.

For the record, I agree with you it would be a waste of space. Melbourne has phased out numerous species and to dedicate additional space to visitor amenities would be a regression in my opinion. It’s like a playground no one asked for.

Taronga used up a lot of space that could have be used to house primates with there's. To which we still see the gibbon enclosure with no gibbons.
 
Like @Jambo said, it hasn’t been confirmed. It remains a threat at this stage.

For the record, I agree with you it would be a waste of space. Melbourne has phased out numerous species and to dedicate additional space to visitor amenities would be a regression in my opinion. It’s like a playground no one asked for.
If they really wanted a rope course, there's amiable room for one on a smaller scale at the back of Growing Wild!

Still, it seems to be a growing trend globally for zoos to add rope courses. Not sure why, as it's additional paid experience in most cases, and every time I was at Taronga, their's was just sitting there closed.

I honestly don't mind one at Melbourne as long as they do it the right way. Firstly, free alongside entry! And also a design that doesn't take away from any of the exhibits that are there. San Diego's Wildlife Explorers Basecamp does this really well with their rope pathways they have, which provide unique glimpses into the primate exhibits there.

If anything though, I don't see why they don't implement such an addition at another of their facilities. One at Werribee alongside the Werribee River wouldn't be bad at all (if Zoos Vic are reading, take note here!). Installing one at Melbourne makes little sense when you consider Melbourne already has limited space as it is.
 
If they really wanted a rope course, there's amiable room for one on a smaller scale at the back of Growing Wild!

Still, it seems to be a growing trend globally for zoos to add rope courses. Not sure why, as it's additional paid experience in most cases, and every time I was at Taronga, their's was just sitting there closed.

I honestly don't mind one at Melbourne as long as they do it the right way. Firstly, free alongside entry! And also a design that doesn't take away from any of the exhibits that are there. San Diego's Wildlife Explorers Basecamp does this really well with their rope pathways they have, which provide unique glimpses into the primate exhibits there.

If anything though, I don't see why they don't implement such an addition at another of their facilities. One at Werribee alongside the Werribee River wouldn't be bad at all (if Zoos Vic are reading, take note here!). Installing one at Melbourne makes little sense when you consider Melbourne already has limited space as it is.
If they should build it at MZ (if they build it) above the play area near the carousel would be best. Put it in the existing play area. And while they are at it get rid of the toilet paper maze in Australian Bush and put in a new exhibit there.
 
If they really wanted a rope course, there's amiable room for one on a smaller scale at the back of Growing Wild!

Still, it seems to be a growing trend globally for zoos to add rope courses. Not sure why, as it's additional paid experience in most cases, and every time I was at Taronga, their's was just sitting there closed.

I honestly don't mind one at Melbourne as long as they do it the right way. Firstly, free alongside entry! And also a design that doesn't take away from any of the exhibits that are there. San Diego's Wildlife Explorers Basecamp does this really well with their rope pathways they have, which provide unique glimpses into the primate exhibits there.

If anything though, I don't see why they don't implement such an addition at another of their facilities. One at Werribee alongside the Werribee River wouldn't be bad at all (if Zoos Vic are reading, take note here!). Installing one at Melbourne makes little sense when you consider Melbourne already has limited space as it is.

Werribee is definitely the place to build a ropes course. Due to the lack of space at Melbourne Zoo, anything they build will be second rate. They could build a massive one at Werribee that would be the best in the state by a country mile (pun intended).

Melbourne Zoo is in the city and easily accessible to a large, centralised population of Victorians and tourists. People are gonna visit either way. If Werribee have an elephant complex, a gondola and the biggest ropes course in Victoria, that will give the general public three strong reasons to visit.
 
Werribee is definitely the place to build a ropes course. Due to the lack of space at Melbourne Zoo, anything they build will be second rate. They could build a massive one at Werribee that would be the best in the state by a country mile (pun intended).

Melbourne Zoo is in the city and easily accessible to a large, centralised population of Victorians and tourists. People are gonna visit either way. If Werribee have an elephant complex, a gondola and the biggest ropes course in Victoria, that will give the general public three strong reasons to visit.
One at Werribee would be amazing in the forest walk area by the river. Could be up and in the trees and then peek out above the canopy to see the savannah across the river.
 
One at Werribee would be amazing in the forest walk area by the river. Could be up and in the trees and then peek out above the canopy to see the savannah across the river.
That is what I had in mind, and would make use of a previously unutilised large area of the zoo.

A rope course there would also provide great views of the Werribee River, and would be a nice native bush rope course experience. There's also a mini lake/pond in that area, which the ropes could go over. They could still leave the current little walk trail there too.

I would be a fan of having it as an additional paid experience too, and I'm sure it would have far more attraction than one would at Melbourne.
 
One at Werribee would be amazing in the forest walk area by the river. Could be up and in the trees and then peek out above the canopy to see the savannah across the river.
That is what I had in mind, and would make use of a previously unutilised large area of the zoo.

A rope course there would also provide great views of the Werribee River, and would be a nice native bush rope course experience. There's also a mini lake/pond in that area, which the ropes could go over. They could still leave the current little walk trail there too.

I would be a fan of having it as an additional paid experience too, and I'm sure it would have far more attraction than one would at Melbourne.

A ropes course at Werribee could literally go for kilometres. I truly believe it could be an asset to Werribee versus competing for space to be crammed into the Treetops precinct at Melbourne.

Naturally our focus is on what species zoos hold, but being realistic, we have to acknowledge the general public care about extracurriculars and this could honestly be a rare example of something worthwhile.
 
Correct - the program unfortunately ended in the blink of an eye.

I also don't know why too, but they were a designated phase out species only a few years after the first pups were born...

It was around that time (2013) that Zoos Victoria first introduced their species criteria that they used to decide what would be phased out versus what would be retained. The Brown-nosed coati wasn’t endangered or native, so it basically had to be enabling or the face of a conservation campaign and it was apparently deemed neither.

Species criteria for Zoos Victoria:

First posted 2013; 2020 version added ‘Research’
as fifth category and required species to fit into two categories (rather than one as was the previous requirement).

Recovery - threatened species recovery programme, preferably reintroduced to the wild.

Ark - species under threat of extinction in the wild and part of regional and international breeding programmes.

Ambassador - the face of a conservation campaign.

Enabling - species that engage with people and form emotional bonds.

Research - species that support the research of Zoos Victoria for the improvement of animal welfare.
 
It was around that time (2013) that Zoos Victoria first introduced their species criteria that they used to decide what would be phased out versus what would be retained. The Brown-nosed coati wasn’t endangered or native, so it basically had to be enabling or the face of a conservation campaign and it was apparently deemed neither.
So they could have passed them on to a possible smaller zoo/s if that was the case which could of continued with them instead of just letting them fade away!
 
So they could have passed them on to a possible smaller zoo/s if that was the case which could of continued with them instead of just letting them fade away!

Do you expect anything else from management that have that stupid list. Quite a few species decisions on that list are questionable.
 
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