Most exotic animals seen on the pet trade

Wisp O' Mist said:
I know that females sell for much more than males do.
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That is typically the case with most species due to the fact that females will lead to more offspring for the buyer. Sometimes there's a circumstance where males are significantly rarer and therefore cost more, but usually either females are more expensive.

~Thylo
 
I don’t mean to go off topic, but how are all of the regulations to contain CWD affecting exotic deer in private collections? I know many zoos can’t keep several exotic deer species anymore due to restrictions on importing deer.
 
The_Leopard_Seal said:
I don’t mean to go off topic, but how are all of the regulations to contain CWD affecting exotic deer in private collections? I know many zoos can’t keep several exotic deer species anymore due to restrictions on importing deer.
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They have the exact same restrictions. Hunters, too. The laws apply to all as a blanket. If anything, it's zoos who are most likely to get exemptions from time to time, though these are rare and seem to only apply to smaller exotic species such as Tufted Deer and pudu. Each state has its own regulations which can be accessed online.

~Thylo
 
Side note: has anyone (particularly in the USA) seen any flying foxes of the genus Pteropus (particularly P. rodricensis) listed for sale? The closest listings I have found were either Egyptian or Jamaican fruit bats (obviously not flying foxes lol). I would love to potentially acquire some P. rodricensis for a breeding project down South a few years down the line. Thanks! :cool:
 
Iguana_Cabana said:
Side note: has anyone (particularly in the USA) seen any flying foxes of the genus Pteropus (particularly P. rodricensis) listed for sale? The closest listings I have found were either Egyptian or Jamaican fruit bats (obviously not flying foxes lol). I would love to potentially acquire some P. rodricensis for a breeding project down South a few years down the line. Thanks! :cool:
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Rodricensis are unlikely to be available other through managed breeding programs
 
Iguana_Cabana said:
Side note: has anyone (particularly in the USA) seen any flying foxes of the genus Pteropus (particularly P. rodricensis) listed for sale? The closest listings I have found were either Egyptian or Jamaican fruit bats (obviously not flying foxes lol). I would love to potentially acquire some P. rodricensis for a breeding project down South a few years down the line. Thanks! :cool:
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All flying foxes are listed as injurius wildlife under the Lacey Act and as such they are nearly non-existent outside the AZA in the US. There are none in the private trade that I have ever heard of.
 
Great Argus said:
All flying foxes are listed as injurius wildlife under the Lacey Act and as such they are nearly non-existent outside the AZA in the US. There are none in the private trade that I have ever heard of.
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Maybe there are a few in the trade, if retics are being listed like crazy on classifieds then rest assured there may be like 1 or 2 surplus rodricensis or other Pteropus out there
 
To be honest it would be better if such surplus was officially managed through a program similar to Citizen Conservation, where skill-proven keepers could ensure a good quality of life for the animals.

I always wondered, how do privates keep healthy family studbooks/lineages with all the commotion of casual breeders, or is it less of a problem than I'm making it sound?
 
Mickey said:
I always wondered, how do privates keep healthy family studbooks/lineages with all the commotion of casual breeders, or is it less of a problem than I'm making it sound?
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There are many individuals and groups in the USA who have worked with many endangered species, particularly radiated and Galapagos tortoises, in facilities where there are high genetic diversity in the animal populations. It used to be easier for these people and organizations to get captive bred endangered species permits to sell the animals across state lines to each other, until the Fish and Wildlife service hired an essential animal rights activist to be the permit chief nearly a decade ago. Despite this, these people are still working effortlessly to preserve these animals and their genetic diversity.

Here is a link to some information about one particular group: Galapagos Tortoise Alliance

Don't worry, the commotion isn't as much of a problem due to how dedicated these people are in their species and genetic diversity preservation efforts.
 
Iguana_Cabana said:
There are many individuals and groups in the USA who have worked with many endangered species, particularly radiated and Galapagos tortoises, in facilities where there are high genetic diversity in the animal populations. It used to be easier for these people and organizations to get captive bred endangered species permits to sell the animals across state lines to each other, until the Fish and Wildlife service hired an essential animal rights activist to be the permit chief nearly a decade ago. Despite this, these people are still working effortlessly to preserve these animals and their genetic diversity.

Here is a link to some information about one particular group: Galapagos Tortoise Alliance

Don't worry, the commotion isn't as much of a problem due to how dedicated these people are in their species and genetic diversity preservation efforts.
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I meant in general and especially for widespread species, be it endangered or not.
 
There are also a lot of folks who specialize in (popular) localities of dart frogs and boas, as well as folks who are dedicated to preserving widespread subspecies like South African leopard tortoises. I also know of a few breeders who breed parrots and softbills like vasa parrots, keel-billed toucans, or Major Mitchell’s cockatoos for non-pet breeding purposes.
 
Having spent some time working at a reptile centre now, we do sometimes get some cool/rare animals surrendered to us from the pet trade or trafficking seizures. To name a few:

- Both Brazilian and Colombian Rainbow boas
- Carpondro hybrid pythons
- Several milksnake varieties, including Honduran and pueblan
- A fair few pure locality boas (hog island and pearl island to name a few)
- Pure (or around 70-80% pure) superdwarf retics
- A suspected Desert black cobra, Walterinnesia aegyptia, though its identity has not been confirmed (anyone who would be able to help ID would be appreciated too, as its identity has the whole centre stumped due to its small size and similarities to a mexican black kingsnake)

While I am not a full expert on the rarity of some of these reptiles, it just goes to show there's a lot of surprising stuff out in the pet trade.
 
Iguana_Cabana said:
Maybe there are a few in the trade, if retics are being listed like crazy on classifieds then rest assured there may be like 1 or 2 surplus rodricensis or other Pteropus out there
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One or two does not a colony make. Also there really isn't surplus in bats? Colonies can grow to large sizes. There is no evidence to suggest there are flying foxes in the private trade, the permits are a huge hassle due to their injurius wildlife status. Even the AZA zoos have a ton of transfer red tape.
 
Great Argus said:
One or two does not a colony make. Also there really isn't surplus in bats? Colonies can grow to large sizes. There is no evidence to suggest there are flying foxes in the private trade, the permits are a huge hassle due to their injurius wildlife status. Even the AZA zoos have a ton of transfer red tape.
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Aw shucks. I guess the permits are the only way to obtain some. I would be willing to go through the permit hassle to start a colony. Obviously not now due to my schedule lol
 
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