Black bears and other non-threatened species in US zoos

Right now the zoo is going with a North American theme, and I agree that it looks fantastic and opens up space for more rescues. I also agree with the other poster who said that American black bears have the right to be in zoos as much as any other species.
 
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Black bears have as much of a right to be in zoos as any other bear

Just like Plain's zebra and African leopard belong in African exhibits as opposed to more priority TAG species, right?

This is a complete waste of valuable holder space.
 
I don’t mind as much anymore but I’ll admit I was a bit disappointed about the news of black bears coming at first since for a while I could have sworn Andean bears were originally announced for the area. But I think I might have been mistaking it for another zoo, did St. Louis make a new exhibit for their Andean bear?
 
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Couple other points:
  • I am torn about one of the former grottos being a plaza/nature play area, however from a logistical standpoint it makes sense to alleviate congestion and provide ample space to view the bears.
  • There's only one yard that's available, which works well for rescued bear species, not so much for SSP bears (in terms of modern facilities - which would need multiple spaces to provide ample outdoor access for a boar and sow/cubs respectively). With the knowledge of how limited the behind the scenes facility was back when polar bears were being floated for that space, even for other SSP bears those issues still arise.
  • Comparing plains zebras and African leopards to American black bears is a false equivalency. Amur leopards need all the holders they can get as do Hartmann's mountain and Grevy's zebras, and nuisance bears need good homes. The wild is shrinking for species worldwide, and any way of helping our native ecosystems out is just as paramount to a zoo's overall mission.

It is not a false equivalency. It's a difference in views.

Not everyone is necessarily onboard with the placement of nuisance black bears in zoos. The species is not at risk, gums up space that could be better used for priority species, and there is question as to whether or not it's worth it for the bears. Is placement in a zoo truly what's best? I'm an animal care professional at a reputable facility, and even I can question that.

As for the bit about it not being suitable due to size/flexibility re. breeding - non-breeding holders still hold a lot of value. It takes pressure off of breeding facilities, and gives all animals involved more space and attention.
 
I also agree that "rescue" NA Black and Brown bears are taking up too many exhibits in zoos. In fact, I had this discussion with several curators of zoos that feel the same way. Especially now with breeding on the up-tick and the necessity of having more facilities to hold the population.
 
I also agree that "rescue" NA Black and Brown bears are taking up too many exhibits in zoos. In fact, I had this discussion with several curators of zoos that feel the same way. Especially now with breeding on the up-tick and the necessity of having more facilities to hold the population.

Then the curators of those zoos don't have to take on North America Brown or Black bears and can focus on exotic bear species instead?
 
Then the curators of those zoos don't have to take on North America Brown or Black bears and can focus on exotic bear species instead?

That is much easier said than done when you're up against a corporate facility who cares more about a PR image/playing the rescue angle than cooperating with SSPs and the like. If the majority of curators had it their way - there would be very little holding of generic/supremely common species in most zoos.
 
For reference - I know big deal folks in inner circles who find it frustrating that NA is trying to manage 3 tiger subspecies, 3 orangutan subspecies (with muddying of genetic pools with the 3rd), 3 rhino species... you get the idea. The opinion that folks wish for minimal/no "rescue" bears doesn't even touch some management opinions you'll get from inside.
 
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I've always appreciated seeing black bears and brown bears in zoos, particularly the latter as they are so much bigger than spectacled or sloth bears. I am however very frustrated by the number of new sea otter holders that have come online in recent years. It seems like it has been to the detriment of the giant otter population.

Is placement in a zoo truly what's best? I'm an animal care professional at a reputable facility, and even I can question that.
Would you care to elaborate on this a little more?
 
I've always appreciated seeing black bears and brown bears in zoos, particularly the latter as they are so much bigger than spectacled or sloth bears. I am however very frustrated by the number of new sea otter holders that have come online in recent years. It seems like it has been to the detriment of the giant otter population.


Would you care to elaborate on this a little more?

Appreciation is great and all, but zoos are about more than just being a spectacle. You can tell the same stories and inspire awe with bear species that are in legitimate, pressing conservation need where every holder possible is vital for the captive population.

Furthermore, if you want to look at a large bear - polar bears are even bigger, and could also use more holders!

As for your point about too many sea otter holders popping up - it got edited away by moderators, but before this thread got split... someone did the math on giant otter vs. sea otter holders. I can't remember the exact numbers - but sea otters holders were in the teens worldwide. Meanwhile, giant otters were closer up to 60. I would agree that I'd also generally elect more places focus on ASCO or giants vs. sea or NARO - but at the end of the day... giant otters have more holders than sea otters by a long shot worldwide. Compare that to NA black vs andeans and sloths (and suns for that matter) - NA black had something like 200 (can't remember if that was worldwide or in NA alone) while the others were somewhere more in the low/double digits. The numbers don't lie - NA black are taking up a ton of space. Keep in mind as well - while giant otters are bumbling along here in NA, the programs are much more robust in Europe + South America - so they're not in dire straits worldwide by any zoological means.

The other thing that is a bit off about comparing sea vs. giant otters is that they live in incredibly different exhibits/have very different needs - you can't just plunk one in the others exhibit with a few minor modifications and call it a fit. As such, while I'd rather see more giant exhibits be purpose built as opposed to those for seas... it isn't a case where a quick switch can be made should plans/priorities change along the way/after the fact. When it comes to bears... this is less rigid. Andean spaces can become NA black spaces can become sloth spaces with little/no modification beyond signage. It's much easier to switch gears and use the space in a versatile way.

And finally - the bit about not everyone loving "rescue" bears + questioning if it's truly for the best. Oh man... is this going to get me out of the dog house!

I (and many, many other people in the zoological field) don't necessarily see bears placed in zoos as rescues. A rescue is by definition something that was in a bad situation (ex. an abused companion animal) that is then taken and placed in a situation that undoubtedly benefits the subject (ex. a forever home where it will be well taken care of, loved, and in which it is physically/mentally fit to thrive and live a happy, healthy life in).

While it may feel nice to "rescue" orphaned bear cubs, be the subject of great publicity on the matter, not have the hassle of dealing with an SSP/transfers, show someone a native species... however it's looked at - there is question as to whether a life in captivity simply for the sake of display is truly benefiting the bear as opposed to simply being humanely euthanized (which, by the way, is what happens to the 99.9% of the others who aren't placed in captivity every single year across NA). Keep in mind as I've stated several times - I'm a zookeeper, and even I can see the argument in this. It sounds harsh - but it really is something to look at under a microscope. Is the bear truly better off being in an enclosure (hopefully a nice one!) for the next 20+ years for display purposes only? Or is that more for us and feeling like we "rescued" it? It's no lie that bears are hard to keep properly, and can easily experience poor welfare in the blink of an eye. Even big, reputable zoos that people fawn over on here all the time - they have bears that I question if they should be in those enclosures or if they're receiving high quality husbandry. If we're going to be housing bears in human care - a lot of us would much rather see it largely be space used for legitimate conservation value. The public just sees a bear - that's it. They don't care what species it is. So lets focus on the ones who's populations legitimately need our help, and just show off/talk about the same things with them that we would with extremely common species.

I should add as well, I don't lose my mind about some orphaned grizzlies or black bear getting plopped into a minimally spruce up/altered ex polar bear exhibit or something of the like here and there. I'm not saying "no grizzlies or black bear ANYWHERE" at all. What I *do* take issue with is zoos doing heavy renovations/investing tons of money into those same spaces - just to fill them back up with something of little/no real value and questionable ethics. There was a big opportunity here to really make something quality and get with the program - and that squandering of opportunity is what truly annoys me and others.
 
Furthermore, if you want to look at a large bear - polar bears are even bigger, and could also use more holders!

I know I am straying a bit from the main topic, but can you elaborate on this more? I always was curious why zoos were planning future polar bear exhibits because there are not a lot of individuals left to go around. Would holders be more beneficial if more polar bears had cubs each year and it allow to place them temporarily until they are of breeding age? I'd love to hear your expertise, thank you!
 
I know I am straying a bit from the main topic, but can you elaborate on this more? I always was curious why zoos were planning future polar bear exhibits because there are not a lot of individuals left to go around. Would holders be more beneficial if more polar bears had cubs each year and it allow to place them temporarily until they are of breeding age? I'd love to hear your expertise, thank you!

I'm not an expert on polar bears by any means, and don't work with the species - but I can give you the chatter I hear about it from professionals. Unsurprisingly - it's largely very similar to what is available here.

The polar bear population obviously faces an issue of low numbers in this day and age - due to factors of the past such as unintended sterilization through birth control use, neutering individuals once deemed not genetically valuable/overrepresented at times, loss of holders, import/export + breeding of non-releasable restrictions, and overall strange management choices at times.

It's no secret that the loss of *some* previous holders was a good thing. For places who weren't willing/able to keep their bears in facilities of a higher standard - it was for the best that they simply step out of the game.

However, on the flip side - there have been some cases where grizzlies in particular get in the way of the population reaching it's full potential. Zoos with financial means in northern climates building big, beautiful bear exhibits - for grizzlies that are for simple display purposes. There's some annoyance with this - however, do keep in mind that it gets back to that seas vs giants comment I made. You can't just plop some polar bears into a grizzly bear exhibit - so what's done is largely done once it's built.

While you're correct that the population is small and it can supposedly be difficult to find enough bears to go around - the inside sentiment I tend to hear is that the SSP/facilities need to do a better job of being strategic about placing bears together who have a high likelihood of being successful, and we need bears who have clearly demonstrated that they're never going to produce cubs to be the singleton bears at facilities who only seem to be interested in display.

For example - bears such as Talini, Haley and Anana should really be the single/companion bears to non-breeders at places such as Oregon, KC, and Memphis - places not trying terribly hard to breed their bears at the moment. On the contrary - the single held males at KC and Memphis should *absolutely* be paired up with a female they have a good shot at siring cubs with.

The fact that Amelia Gray just moved to breed as the secondary female with Hudson in Brookfield is a poor choice, for example. He's consistently never produced cubs with his many mates that he's had, is distantly related to AG, and already has a perfectly good mate there with him. She really should have gone to be with Koda from Memphis, as a secondary female with Lee at Columbus, instead of Haley at Detroit with Nuka, Toledo with Kali... you get the idea. This is just one of a number of poor choices that seem to be made with polar bears in the US yearly.

I also have some annoyance that places like Brookfield and Columbus are so insistent on holding both polar and grizzly bears in the same complex - that extra space gummed up by the grizzlies would likely benefit the polar greatly - especially if they're looking to hold/breed multiple females at once. This is me speaking from my keeper perspective - it's very, very annoying/exhausting to care for "dead weight" when space is already pressed for a more happening program... and you know full well that all animals involved would benefit from increased space, flexibility, and undivided keeper attention/facility resources. But of course, upper management doesn't understand that when they're not the ones taking care of the animals every day!

Another inside tidbit - there is a lot of displeasure with the mismanagement resulting in endless transfers for some bears. Bears such as AG and Nora being on their fourth (and likely not final) home by age 9 or 10 is largely seen as wrong, and a symptom of the willy nilly attitude taken with the population management. It's a bit more understandable with Nora given her colorful life/change of breeding circumstance... but AG should have been placed somewhere with an appropriate male the first (or maybe second) time and stayed there ideally for life. The transfer process, new keepers, new home, new con-specifics, etc. is stressful on a lot of animals - doing it 3, 4, 5, or more times is just plain unnecessary and bad management.

So in short, the population needs to be handled a bit more strategically first to grow. However, once it does - we are going to need more holders. Building for non-releasable grizzlies mildly gets in the way of that - but it isn't quite the same equivalence.
 
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The fact that Amelia Gray just moved to breed as the secondary female with Hudson in Brookfield is a poor choice, for example. He's consistently never produced cubs with his many mates that he's had, is distantly related to AG, and already has a perfectly good mate there with him. She really should have gone to be with Koda from Memphis, as a secondary female with Lee at Columbus, instead of Haley at Detroit with Nuka, Toledo with Kali... you get the idea. This is just one of a number of poor choices that seem to be made with polar bears in the US yearly.

I also have some annoyance that places like Brookfield and Columbus are so insistent on holding both polar and grizzly bears in the same complex - that extra space gummed up by the grizzlies would likely benefit the polar greatly - especially if they're looking to hold/breed multiple females at once. This is me speaking from my keeper perspective - it's very, very annoying/exhausting to care for "dead weight" when space is already pressed for a more happening program... and you know full well that all animals involved would benefit from increased space, flexibility, and undivided keeper attention/facility resources. But of course, upper management doesn't understand that when they're not the ones taking care of the animals every day!

Another inside tidbit - there is a lot of displeasure with the mismanagement resulting in endless transfers for some bears. Bears such as AG and Nora being on their fourth (and likely not final) home by age 9 or 10 is largely seen as wrong, and a symptom of the willy nilly attitude taken with the population management. It's a bit more understandable with Nora given her colorful life/change of breeding circumstance... but AG should have been placed somewhere with an appropriate male the first (or maybe second) time and stayed there ideally for life. The transfer process, new keepers, new home, new con-specifics, etc. is stressful on a lot of animals - doing it 3, 4, 5, or more times is just plain unnecessary and bad management.

Thank you so much for your input! I completely agree the move for Amelia Gray to Brookfield with an unsuccessful male was not a smart decision and she'll probably be relocated again in the near future. I'm not sure if Koda will ever be a successful breeder - he's had a chance with Snowflake, Sjenza, Kobe, and Haley. Although I think they thought Sjenza was pregnant when they tried a couple breeding seasons, but she may have reabsorbed the cub during the final months. And it would be a better genetic match and effort than Hudson.

I am hoping all these moves haven't been too stressful for Amelia Gray. I've seen a couple of video clips on social media of a polar bear there who I assume is her and she is doing a repeated swimming pattern in her pool. I remember her doing that when she was at the Maryland Zoo as well. Of course, I am no polar bear expert so it may be nothing, but it also could be a potential stereotypical behavior due to stress.

You make a great point about Columbus being able to make a second polar bear yard if they didn't have their brown bears. That's the one complaint I have with the exhibit is that it's just one yard so when cubs are born, the male and mom/cub(s) have to rotate every other day.
 
The polar bear population has been in terrible shape for a long time. They have had more deaths than births on an annual basis as long as they have been in captivity, even when there were significantly more bears. The population was never sustainable. The breeding program is mostly a matter of delaying the inevitable since they are so popular with the public.

Amelia Gray has only just arrived at Brookfield so I'd like to wait a bit and see what happens. She is, fwiw, actually taking the place of late brown bear Axhi in the rotation for now.
 
Thank you so much for your input! I completely agree the move for Amelia Gray to Brookfield with an unsuccessful male was not a smart decision and she'll probably be relocated again in the near future. I'm not sure if Koda will ever be a successful breeder - he's had a chance with Snowflake, Sjenza, Kobe, and Haley. Although I think they thought Sjenza was pregnant when they tried a couple breeding seasons, but she may have reabsorbed the cub during the final months. And it would be a better genetic match and effort than Hudson.

I am hoping all these moves haven't been too stressful for Amelia Gray. I've seen a couple of video clips on social media of a polar bear there who I assume is her and she is doing a repeated swimming pattern in her pool. I remember her doing that when she was at the Maryland Zoo as well. Of course, I am no polar bear expert so it may be nothing, but it also could be a potential stereotypical behavior due to stress.

You make a great point about Columbus being able to make a second polar bear yard if they didn't have their brown bears. That's the one complaint I have with the exhibit is that it's just one yard so when cubs are born, the male and mom/cub(s) have to rotate every other day.
Stereotypy can be repetition of a previously learned behaviour, even in the absence of current stress
 
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