The other de-extinction: Should zoos handle proxy rewilding?

La Cucaracha

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Although the AZA has already made a statement against using genetic technology for de-extinction, BioRescue and its partners continue making keen progress in de-extinction of the northern white rhinoceros. Through advanced reproductive technology, the long term goal is to reintroduce this all but extinct subspecies to Central Africa. Meanwhile in South Africa, the southern white rhinoceros often remains unsold at auction because of the high cost of security on game reserves to protect rhinos from poaching for horn-limiting their recovery in situ. Proposals have been made in the past by ex situ conservationists to breed rhinos on private reserves in Florida and Australia, but raised concerns about the impact of invasive species.

On islands such as Madagascar and Rodrigues, Aldabra giant tortoises are being used for rewilding where endemic giant tortoises were overhunted to extinction. They fill a long-vacant ecological niche as megafauna herbivores, similar to elephants; spreading and germinating seeds through digestion, controlling vegetation growth, fertilizing soil, and depending on age-as prey or carrion for endemic predators and scavengers. This is proxy rewilding.

The Great Plains ecosystem has been a man-altered landscape for millenia. Indigenous people traditionally used prescribed burning to provide habitat for game, and is still used by conservationists to manage prairie habitats today. Under the right circumstances, grazing domestic livestock acts as a proxy for migrating herds. Grazing activity can also sequester atmospheric carbon back into soil. Without human disturbances such as fire and grazing, the prairie would be a very different place than what groundnesting birds, migrating waterfowl, endemic pollinators, native flora, and other wildlife rely on. Often prairie restoration efforts involve rewilding bison within fenced areas. Why not then species that were present when man first arrived in North America, like the horse? Or even grassland giants like rhinoceros for a proxy of extinct megafauna, such as Mixotoxodon.

Humans hunt fourteen times more adult prey animals, and nine times more apex predators, than other carnivores. Because of slow sexual maturity, long gestation periods, and single births, megafauna are vulnerable to extinction from overhunting. Archeological evidence shows humans hunted and ate ancient megafauna. Computer simulations suggest overhunting played a factor in late Pleistocene mass extinctions. By the Holocene, some regions such as South America and Australia experienced loss in megafauna diversity as high as almost 90% after human arrival. Today, wild animals only make up about 3% of all mammal biomass.

“In habitat-based zoo plans, as opposed to taxonomic layouts, ecological areas are subdivided by geography. A section devoted to grasslands, for example, would not sensibly display rhinos, pronghorns, and kangaroos together, in spite of their all being grassland species, because they are from Africa, North America, and Australia respectively. It is useful, however, to also remember zoogeography offers merely a transitory view. Marsupials are now characteristically Australian, and rhinoceroses are characteristically African (although they arrived later there than anywhere else). But marsupials and rhinos originated in North America, about 120 million years ago. Elephants once ranged the entire globe, apart from Australia, including (in form of mammoths) North America until just a few thousand years ago. Modern elephants originated in Asia and migrated to Africa. Lions once ranged throughout Eurasia and deep into China. By definition of origin, neither elephants nor lions are African animals. Wild animal populations are not placed in or restricted to some particular geographic area. They live in a dynamic planet. Where we discover them is merely where they happen to be during our time on Earth. Colin Tudge (1995) speaks of ‘cascades of animals migrating, radiating, moving on or drifting back from whence they came.’”, quotes retired zoo director and architect David Hancocks, in A Different Nature: The Paradoxical World of Zoos and Their Uncertain Future.
 
The conservation organization African Parks acquired John Hume's rhino herd and has been busy relocating them to protected areas for the last two years.

It would be helpful if you made certain that your information was up to date before you posted it.

"At the same time, the rapidly escalating costs of tackling poaching have meant that fewer and fewer private landowners can afford to keep rhinos, depressing the live sales market. Essentially, as the costs for private owners go up, their potential revenue is going down. Hume previously paid up to $32,000 for a rhino, but he said the same animal might be worth a tenth of that price today."

Next time I'll include the quote I'm referring to with the link in OP.
 
"At the same time, the rapidly escalating costs of tackling poaching have meant that fewer and fewer private landowners can afford to keep rhinos, depressing the live sales market. Essentially, as the costs for private owners go up, their potential revenue is going down. Hume previously paid up to $32,000 for a rhino, but he said the same animal might be worth a tenth of that price today."

Not in either of the links that I posted. Did you even read them?
 
It's in the Mongabay article under the subsection "Rhino Economics". Please read it.

I did read it? I followed the Platinum Rhino situation closely for months. Evidently you didn't, given that you were apparently unaware that African Parks had acquired the herd and has kept busy rewilding them.

The Mongabay article was outdated and, in short, said that the herd was doomed. That's why I posted the two articles that I did. To point out that the herd is very much not doomed and is currently doing fantastic, actually.
 
I did read it? I followed the Platinum Rhino situation closely for months. Evidently you didn't, given that you were apparently unaware that African Parks had acquired the herd and has kept busy rewilding them.

The Mongabay article was outdated and, in short, said that the herd was doomed. That's why I posted the two articles. To point out that the herd is very much not doomed and is currently doing fantastic, actually.

This post isn't about Hume. He and many game ranchers have had the same problem with rhino poaching.
 
I realize that, what I've been trying to get across to you is that you used a bad example in order to make your argument.

The point is rhino poaching is a problem for private landowners that is often cost prohibitive. Hume actually isn't the worst example, as much of a can of worms that discussion is.
 
But, as you said, that's not supposed to be the topic of this thread.

The point of this thread, which I tried to be concise about, is that proxy rewilding could potentially have ex situ conservation benefits but also that what is considered a native or non-native animal is sometimes arbitrary.
 
The point of this thread, which I tried to be concise about, is that proxy rewilding could potentially have ex situ conservation benefits but also that what is considered a native or non-native animal is sometimes arbitrary.

Oh, I understood that. Again, I was just pointing out that-that specific example that you used was a poor one.
 
Oh, I understood that. Again, I was just pointing out that-that specific example that you used was a poor one.

If you search "rhino poaching prevents private landowners from keeping rhinos" into Google, you'll see it's the most recent article describing what I was saying about private land and rhino poaching.
I would be more understanding if you thought the Wally's Beach site article was outdated; it's ten years old.
 
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If you search "rhino poaching prevents private landowners from keeping rhinos" into Google, you'll see it's the most recent article.

And when I plug "Platinum Rhino herd" into Google, I get this as the most recent news article. And amusingly enough, it mentions how African Parks acquired the herd and is currently rewilding them. Even though that's very obviously not the main aim of the article.

This nifty National Geographic article is the third result.

Again, if you're going to use something as a foundation for an argument that you're trying to make, doing your due diligence and making absolutely certain that you have the most up to date information is paramount. Otherwise you just distract people, which takes away from your argument.

The fact that you can't just admit that you were wrong and thank me for correcting such a glaring mistake doesn't say the greatest things about your discussion skills.
 
And when I plug "Platinum Rhino herd" into Google, I get this as the most recent news article. And amusingly enough, it mentions how African Parks acquired the herd and is currently rewilding them. Even though that's very obviously not the main aim of the article.

This nifty National Geographic article is the third result.

Again, if you're going to use something as a foundation for an argument that you're trying to make, doing your due diligence and making absolutely certain that you have the most up to date information is paramount. Otherwise you just distract people, which takes away from your argument.

The fact that you can't just admit that you were wrong and thank me for correcting such a glaring mistake doesn't say the greatest things about your discussion skills.

I did admit John Humes is a can of worms. It is worth mentioning, in my opinion, when discussing something like The Australian Rhino Project. As David Hancocks said, people think of rhinos as charatecteristically African and would question why we should release them in Australia; where nearly 90% of megafauna that existed when man first arrived is now extinct.
 
I did admit John Humes is a can of worms. It is worth mentioning, in my opinion, when discussing something like The Australian Rhino Project. As David Hancocks said, people think of rhinos as charatecteristically African and would question why we should release them in Australia; where nearly 90% of megafauna that existed when man first arrived is now extinct.

Oh, I'm not particularly interested in discussing proxy rewilding with you. I just wanted to point out the mistake that you made.
 
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