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MOG2012
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- For the Winter exhibit, I need an animal for the open-topped 70 sq. m large enclosure in the greenhouse (Southwest united states is mostly the theme but the species are found in more northern locations)
- Winter - Small animals for terrarium & aquarium space
Paul.Haerle
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We already talked about a Cerrado aviary here and after some hints I decided to redesign this aviary (now parted into two) and want to know what you think about it alongside with some other South/Central American aviaries:
- Cerrado (1): Red-winged Tinamou, Brazilian Merganser, Picazuro Pigeon, Guira Cuckoo, Spot-billed Toucanet, Plush-crested Jay
- Cerrado (2): Brazilian Merganser, Scaled Pigeon, Ochre-marked Parakeet, Painted Parakeet, Great Kiskadee, Red-rumped Cacique
- Mata Atlantica : Saffron Toucanet, Red-billed Curassow
- Guianan Highland (1): Crested Bobwhite, Little Chachalaca, Blue Ground Dove, Guianan Cock-of-the-rock, Yellow Oriole, Silver-beaked Tanager
- Guianan Highland (2): Tataupa Tinamu, Scaled Pigeon, Yellow Oriole, Red-crested Cardinal
- Guianan Highland (3): Mainland/Common Ruddy Quail Dove, Black-spotted Barbet (smallest aviary with about 50 m² outside)
- Machu Picchu: Spix‘s Guan, Spot-winged Pigeon, Golden-headed Quetzal, Peruvian Cock-of-the-rock, Epaulet Oriole, Golden Grosbeak
- Chiapas : Horned Guan, White-crowned Pigeon, Slate-coloured Solitaire, Rose-breasted Grosbeak?
- Cerrado (1): Red-winged Tinamou, Brazilian Merganser, Picazuro Pigeon, Guira Cuckoo, Spot-billed Toucanet, Plush-crested Jay
- Cerrado (2): Brazilian Merganser, Scaled Pigeon, Ochre-marked Parakeet, Painted Parakeet, Great Kiskadee, Red-rumped Cacique
- Mata Atlantica : Saffron Toucanet, Red-billed Curassow
- Guianan Highland (1): Crested Bobwhite, Little Chachalaca, Blue Ground Dove, Guianan Cock-of-the-rock, Yellow Oriole, Silver-beaked Tanager
- Guianan Highland (2): Tataupa Tinamu, Scaled Pigeon, Yellow Oriole, Red-crested Cardinal
- Guianan Highland (3): Mainland/Common Ruddy Quail Dove, Black-spotted Barbet (smallest aviary with about 50 m² outside)
- Machu Picchu: Spix‘s Guan, Spot-winged Pigeon, Golden-headed Quetzal, Peruvian Cock-of-the-rock, Epaulet Oriole, Golden Grosbeak
- Chiapas : Horned Guan, White-crowned Pigeon, Slate-coloured Solitaire, Rose-breasted Grosbeak?
Velas
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Really like the aviaries you've done here! Nice biome and ecoregion choices
The only species that don't really fit in with their assigned aviaries would be the parakeets for the second Cerrado aviary (the Ochre-marked are mostly found within the Mata Atlantica, with a small population on the Caatinga, where as the Painted ones are native to the Amazon and the Guianan highlands). My suggestions for other birds that could fill up their gap and that are found within the biome would be Peach-fronted parakeets and/or Golden-capped parakeets. The Tataupa tinamou also is quite out of place on the Guianan highlands, as it is found much further south on South america.
Also, don't know if the small number of species in the Mata Atlantica aviary is due to its size, but there's a lot of other species that could work with those two! I suggest that you check Parque das Aves's exhibits on the media section, as the zoo is almost entirely dedicated to the biome and its birds!
Paul.Haerle
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The parakeets were listed on avibase for a mainly Cerrado region, but could be possible that they live there only in a small border area or something like that.Really like the aviaries you've done here! Nice biome and ecoregion choices
The only species that don't really fit in with their assigned aviaries would be the parakeets for the second Cerrado aviary (the Ochre-marked are mostly found within the Mata Atlantica, with a small population on the Caatinga, where as the Painted ones are native to the Amazon and the Guianan highlands). My suggestions for other birds that could fill up their gap and that are found within the biome would be Peach-fronted parakeets and/or Golden-capped parakeets. The Tataupa tinamou also is quite out of place on the Guianan highlands, as it is found much further south on South america.
Also, don't know if the small number of species in the Mata Atlantica aviary is due to its size, but there's a lot of other species that could work with those two! I suggest that you check Parque das Aves's exhibits on the media section, as the zoo is almost entirely dedicated to the biome and its birds!
In case of the Tataupa Tinamou I can’t tell why I thought they live there… Black Curassows will replace them
The Mata Atlantica does house only two species because of the toucan‘s temperament. But I thought about adding Golden Lion Tamarins…
And after scrolling through ZTL I decided to do a few more aviaries:
- Yucatan (1): Great Tinamou, Scaled Pigeon, Zenaida Dove, Blue Ground Dove, Lesser Goldfinch, Orchard Oriole, Blue Grosbeak, Black-headed Grosbeak
- Yucatan (2): Ocellated Turkey, Collared Aracari, Yucatan Blue Jay
- Northern Andes: Mérida Helmed Curassow, Pale-vented Pigeon, Painted Parakeet, Venezuelan Oriole, Vermillion Cardinal
- Pacific West Coast: West Peruvian Dove, Peruvian Thick-knee, Black-backed Grosbeak (again a smaller one)
And any other ideas for further aviaries ?
Velas
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Avibase does indeed list them under small fragments of Cerrado, which is odd, but most of their range as they pointed out on the website is indeed the Mata Atlantica. The biome nowadays occupies a really small area due to deforestation and fragmentation, but that area was originally covered by it.
I don't think that any kind of tamarin would be fitting for an aviary with flying birds, specially a large species such as the Golden-lion tamarin... There would be a serious risk of them bullying the toucanets and they definitely would try to eat eggs and chicks. Another non-bird species for this exhibit could be Red-footed tortoises.
As for the toucan's temperament, I seriously don't see any issues of mixing them with other birds, specially due to its smaller size, but I understand the reason for your concerns.. Guans and tinamous could be added, and even Scarlet ibises, as the species can be found within the biome.
Paul.Haerle
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For them would be no space
MOG2012
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What animals would work in these exhibits;
- Minshan Mountains
- Electric Animals
- New England Conservation
- Primate House (with lots of more animals). Has zones of Yasuni National Park, Tai National Park, Masaola-Makira Landscape, and the Leuser Ecosystem
- the Four Elements (+Aether) exhibit set in Europe with the Carpathian Mountains representing Earth, the Danube Delta representing Water, the Alps representing Air, the Black Forest representing Fire, and the Scandinavian freshwater/mountains (a large pond with surrounding enclosures) representing Aether
Paul.Haerle
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Hoofstock aviary with Alpine Ibex, Alpine Marmot, Alpine Rock Partridge, Bearded Vulture, Red-billed Chough and Northern Bald Ibis
Eurasian Lynx
European Wildcat
Western Capercaillie, Mistle Thrush, Eurasian Bullfinch
European Edible Dormouse
European Eagle-owl
Fire Salamander
Maybe you can use the Kaiserstuhl, an area very close to the Black Forest, too
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Paul.Haerle
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Which birds can be housed with Greater Roadrunners except for Burrowing Owls?
Burgers' held Gambel's quails in the Roadrunner aviary for a little while, and you could also hold them with other sturdy birds like Magpie-jays, cardinals, larger grosbeaks or medium-sized pigeons
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Paul.Haerle
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Thank you
And any ideas for mixes with the following birds:
- African Pygmy Falcon
- Buffy Fish Owl
- Pel‘s Fishing Owl
- Red-headed Vulture
- Sulawesi Knobbed Hornbill
- White-bellied Sea Eagle
Thank you
And any ideas for mixes with the following birds:
- African Pygmy Falcon
Most birds barring small passerines. Should be fine with waterbirds, vultures, guineafowl, turtle doves, etc. They can also be held with mammals, and have been held with sengis and hyraxes.
Similar-sized owls and larger waterbirds such as storks and cranes. Possibly ravens too since they're regularly held with Eagle-owls
Since they're in the same family as White-headed and Lappet-faced vultures, they're less mixable than griffon vultures, but still very mixable. I'd say most ground birds, other birds of prey, wading birds and corvids should all be fine
Larger pheasants, they should also be fine being held with quite a few other birds if you hold them in a single sex group, or alone
I know Bald and Steller's sea eagles have been held with kites, ravens, cranes, owls and even peafowl
Paul.Haerle
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Theoretically it can work with vultures, but vultures need big aviaries, what‘s problematic for keeping pygmy falcons, because if they have enough space for nosedives, they hurt on the aviary’s grids or fly against glass panels.
That would explain why they were removed from Antwerp's Buffalo aviary
Paul.Haerle
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According to ZTL that happened in the Buffalo aviary to both of them