Do you mean behaviour-wise?
I've seen them 4 times this year and all 4 times they've acted as they've done for the past couple of years
Chester Zoo No more cubs for Asha & Asoka
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Do you mean behaviour-wise?
I've seen them 4 times this year and all 4 times they've acted as they've done for the past couple of years
LeeMac13
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yeah its like there looking for something also the other day i thought for the first time that they starting to look old
Perhaps you saw them after an enrichment session and they were still searching the enclosure?
LeeMac13
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Perhaps you saw them after an enrichment session and they were still searching the enclosure?
possibly, do you think the zoo may bring Tejas back in the future?
Paulkarli08
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Doubtful he would return. If he did, it would be once asoka and asha have died.
I think the studkeepers at twycross have made a big mistake, chester's lions are one of the only breedable groups left in the uk, besides edinburgh.
It isn't as if they haven't made mistakes in the past regarding lion pairing, ie:the bristol fiasco
I think the studkeepers at twycross have made a big mistake, chester's lions are one of the only breedable groups left in the uk, besides edinburgh.
It isn't as if they haven't made mistakes in the past regarding lion pairing, ie:the bristol fiasco
zoogiraffe
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I hope not i don`t think i could take another bout of the story of how he was hand reared because Asha rejected him as a cub,she probbly rejected him because she knew he had WONKY legs and wouldn`t have survived in the wild!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
LeeMac13
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Wonky legs thats not very fair really is it , sometimes i get the feeling that some people on here take things a little bit out of context or make light of situations that are a genuine concern for some of us.
taun
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Its true through, animals are know to leave behind young that cannot keep up as they are not much use.
Just in zoo's were lucky that we have the experience on hand raising alot of the species and therefore keep majority of infants alive. Tejas, will go on to breed but his genes that may be faulty will pass into the population damaging them further, this would not happen in the wild.
Not necessarily. In some species inbreeding does not always have harmful effects. In the case of Asian Lions the founders of the current European stock were about 4 pairs which were no doubt related to some extent anyway, but healthy cubs have been produced from all of them.
Its possible the deformities arising in Chester's cubs are due to that particular pairing, rather than 'across the board'. Unless deformities suddenly start multiplying in other litters produced, I don't see it as a major problem yet.
Was sending Twycross's male to Bristol really a mistake?
At the time they knew Chandra was unsuitable for breeding whereas they hoped to produce at least one more litter from Moti. They did not know at the time that Moti was past breeding too- though she was borderline obviously at her age. I think it was a risk that unfortunately didn't pay off but I wouldn't criticise them for taking it.
'Kamal' could still be moved again- back to Twycross?
Apaprently the problems with Tejas and the second cub whose name I have forgotten were unrelated. It may just be a case of bad luck. As Zoogiraffe said, defective cubs would not survive in the wild.
I was told last week that the Asian Lion EEP and the Asian Lion SSP were discussing an exchange between US and European lions. The gene pool is very narrow in Europe, I think there are only three female lions that Chester could have out of the European population.
I doubt that Tejas will return to Chester, but hopefully some of his decendants will do so.
I was told last week that the Asian Lion EEP and the Asian Lion SSP were discussing an exchange between US and European lions. The gene pool is very narrow in Europe, I think there are only three female lions that Chester could have out of the European population.
I doubt that Tejas will return to Chester, but hopefully some of his decendants will do so.
Are there even any Asian Lions in the US? I don't think i've heard of any zoos which have them...
Zoogiraffe is not making light of a situation. In the wild, Tejas would've died just like his sibling. It's part of natural selection, survival of the fittest etc.
Tejas had a defect which would've impaired his ability to hunt in the wild and therefore he would've died from starvation (unless his mother had killed him earlier), however due to being in captivity, the zoo was able to provide veterinary treatment which I guess has cured this defect
You're right Jimmy. There are nione in the US. The keeper must have meant exchanges with Asian zoos.
zoogiraffe
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I`m not making light of the situation,its just that when it comes to Tejas i`m not a paid up member of the fluffy bunny huggers club,the best thing the zoo did was send him to another collection as soon as they could because if they hadn`t they could well have had another KNUT on their hands with the animal becoming to attached to the staff and too much of a celebrity animal on their hands if he had stayed.
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that must mean India as I don't think there are any in zoos elsewhere outside of India & Europe, so that takes us back to any fresh imports coming from India(presumably from a zoo, not from the wild)
Negotiations by the studbook keeper with Indian zoos have been going on for some time. Eventually, it will come to pass ....
The first possible instance of new imports will probably be from Singapore -which more or less has agreed to send on any of the newly imported Indian lions to the EEP. It may well be that Singapore Zoo will join the EEP anyway soon (no chance of an SSP as they have re-focussed on African lions after the hybrid debacle).
A third option might be Kuala Lumpur which has had pure-bred Asian lions of old too and has been breeding them too.
dragon(ele)nerd
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Poor asha. I'd say.
having all her cubs pass away, and she looked like a very caring mother. I'd personally say, from my view it would be better to stop trying to have a child if you have already gone through the grief of loosing several children beforehand and from something that is possibly heredatary.
having all her cubs pass away, and she looked like a very caring mother. I'd personally say, from my view it would be better to stop trying to have a child if you have already gone through the grief of loosing several children beforehand and from something that is possibly heredatary.