Monkey World Ape Rescue Centre Monkey world.

orang09 said:
i think monkey world - dorset is a great place.....yadda, yadda, blah blah, i'm on a soap box, blah, blah blah...for species to be not tried to be saved !!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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oh get over yourself "orang09" - i didn't realise you were the head of PR at monkeyworld. i didn't hear anyone hear say anything obversely negative of offensive to this place. just that the enclosures look boring - which they do juging from the photos i've seen.

and the name is stupid - why do you think so much of the public don't know the difference between apes and monkeys? because apparently even places that care for them like this don't seem to!!!!

nobody ever said it was a &*%@ place, or that they were not doing a good thing.

fortunately, most of you post made little grammatical sense to me, but i could nonetheless detect a very sour tone. since you are an employee of monkeyworld i suggest you take the constructive criticism on board and bring up a name change at your next meeting, but in any event i think you need a nice cup of tea and a good calm down. becuse unfortunately no matter how angry and rude you get here on the forum (whispers) *nobody actually gives a *&%@!!!*
 
i do take your critisims but would like to know if you have ever visted monkey world , or seen the progamme - the encolures are desinged for the animal they are looking at - some of the encoulrse are built arounf the indival not the over all species ! and why are we arrguing over a name that wount be changed ! it was actullay voted for by the public ! and i am not head or a keeper at monkey world but am close freinds with the family owning it ! so i will stick up for it - monkey world is loved by many people young and old - the centre has made a changhe tot he life of primates - and does it really matter about my spelling and grammer ? and i am sorry if ive have caused offence and if you not have been to the park to witness the encoulrse in person how can you judye from a photograph and do go onto their website and read about where the primates came from and there backgrounds and then take your opion - and i think i talk form the fans hear in monkey world if you have a complate take it up with them !
 
is this the monkey world people are talking about? if not, which i dont think it is, this place looks cool. maybe a comparison of the 2 would open everyones minds!

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I don't really care what name a primate rescue centre goes by, or the way in which the animals are presented. Seeing gibbons climbing live trees, or thriving groups of Woolly monkeys foraging for herbs is so satisfysing, compared to the experience at Twycross for example. The enclosures may look 'boring', in fact the orang and chimpanzee enclosures are pretty stark and open, but I suspect for most visitors, it is the behaviour of the primates they are watching that makes an impression on them.
 
I'm sure 'Monkeyworld' works fine, both for the inmates and visually for visitors too. I'm sure all the Primates are given excellent care- I've visited several times and it always looks that way, despite my other comments.

I'm still a bit confused though as to whether it is still essentially a 'primate rescue' centre, or a 'primate breeding centre' or both. (Usually the two concepts don't sit very esily with each other). For example I know there was no intention to breed from e.g. the Chimps but due to some contraceptives failing, several have been born over the years. The adult chimpanzee groups there are nowadays pretty much as you'd find in the wild and many of the ex-humanised 'rescue' chimps seem to have reverted to entirely natural lives. In one group the males even ganged up and killed an old male, a 'mirror' of wild behaviour.
 
I agree with that point, the centre seems to have a focus on primate rescue for some animals, while the Woolly monkeys, Siamang and some of the other gibbons seem to have arrived in an effort to breed these species. The purpose of some groups, like the orangs, seems to be a mixture of both.

While I agree with preventing some species from breeding most of the time, I am always pleased when I hear that contraceptives in primate groups fail from time to time, as the benefit of young in a group is beyond anything an environmental enrichment programme could offer.
 
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While I agree with preventing some species from breeding most of the time, I am always pleased when I hear that contraceptives in primate groups fail from time to time, as the benefit of young in a group is beyond anything an environmental enrichment programme could offer.
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Yes, you are very right there. The 'Monkeyworld' Chimp groups that contain young are probably now much more cohesive and 'natural' as a result of that, rather than when they just contained adults. Its also the reason the Gorilla groups at Howletts are so active- the Port Lympne batchelors, or the gorillas in other zoos where there there no young, are not socially active in the same way..
 
orang09 said:
...i am not head or a keeper at monkey world but am close freinds with the family owning it ! so i will stick up for it .....!
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that you will! - my point being however, that you really need not to (and certainly, you need not be so rude about it either). nobody EVER questioned the integrity of the place - they simply stated their personal preferances. i think its completely fair to hear someone say thay they dislike the enclosure designs or that (in my case) they thought the name was silly.

so i don't care if the public "voted" on the name. i personally don't like it. and i'm allowed to comment on that if i like without being told to stick something up my arse!

so feel free to jump down anyones throat if they actually have unwarrented critcisms of your friends, but for the sake of pleasantries - try and bite the venomous toungue when it comes to peoples personal preferances - they have a right to have them.
 
If anyone wants to see a really well- presented Park exclusively for Primates, and with an excellent range of species, then they should head, not to Dorset, but to Apenheul in the Netherlands......:)
 
patrick said:
that you will! - my point being however, that you really need not to (and certainly, you need not be so rude about it either). nobody EVER questioned the integrity of the place - they simply stated their personal preferances. i think its completely fair to hear someone say thay they dislike the enclosure designs or that (in my case) they thought the name was silly.

so i don't care if the public "voted" on the name. i personally don't like it. and i'm allowed to comment on that if i like without being told to stick something up my arse!

so feel free to jump down anyones throat if they actually have unwarrented critcisms of your friends, but for the sake of pleasantries - try and bite the venomous toungue when it comes to peoples personal preferances - they have a right to have them.
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But its completely subjective as to whether your criticisms are justified - I just find the discussion interesting. In the UK we have another, similar centre called Cefn erw yr Caehopkin, which I have not visited, but doesn't seem to have the same standard of enclosures as monkey world, with the chimps partly housed in the old cages taken from Penscynor Wildlife Park where they lived before it closed. However, I find it harder to be critical of it than if it was a conventional zoo because its primates were surplus and unwanted, or rescued animals.
 
Now this place is a genuine 'Rescue Centre'- it doesn't advertise itself as a zoo and is not open to the public, I don't think. It is obviously run on a low budget so enclosures are not going to be anything but basic, though adequate for their purpose. They do have a number of Chimpanzees from the closed Penscynor Wildlife Park plus various Hamadryas Baboons and other primates rescued from situations both in Uk and abysmal conditions further afield. I think the two chimpanzees from Southport Zoo ended up here too. Southport's owner Doug Petrie would not send them to MonkeyWorld in Dorset when the zoo had to close, as he had clashed with them in the past over keeping the chimps at Southport (Monkeyworld said they shouldn't be there as conditions were poor...)
 
I went to Monkey World last year and I thought it was amazing. The primates all seemed to being enjoying themselves (espescially the young chimps and orangutans) and behaving very close to naturally considering where most of them had come from. I didn't care that the enclosures weren't pretty, I was more interested in the animals strangely enough. I have adopted two chimps and an orangutan from Monkey World.
 
Pertinax said:
Southport's owner Doug Petrie would not send them to MonkeyWorld in Dorset when the zoo had to close, as he had clashed with them in the past over keeping the chimps at Southport (Monkeyworld said they shouldn't be there as conditions were poor...)
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I have to disagree. I was there when Jim (monkey world) Cronin (and film crew) came up to the zoo to take a look at the chimps at Southport. He said he would gladly take them from us, and get them back together whilst the cameras were rolling. but then once the cameras were off he refused. So to be fair Doug had tried to give them to Monkey World, and you can't really blame him for being angry at Jim. just goes to show that even a 'rescue center' can be totally unforgiving and play with the lives of animals it's supposed to be there to help.

As for the welsh place, we had a look at their website after they took some of the primates. They had the audacity to say that one of the gibbons (Missy) had come from Southport where it had been cruely neglected/ mistreated by the staff. (If I could have got my grubby little hands on the owner I'd have shown him cruelty). it was a total lie aimed at making people feel sorry and so donate money to him and a slur to all those keepers that spent their time trying to do their bit to make these animals lives better whilst educating the public.
 
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As someone who spends quite a bit of time explaining the whole apes aren't monkeys spiel I would love to see a name change. I have seen the show, and from what I know they do good work. Not as keen on the plan to relocate the 70 capuchins from South America to England though, when there is a sanctuary willing and able to take them in the habitat country. I would also like to see that offspring from the rarer species come online as being available to other institutions in the future, providing those institutions can provide good care for them.
 
keeper19er said:
. I was there when Jim (monkey world) Cronin (and film crew) came up to the zoo to take a look at the chimps at Southport. He said he would gladly take them from us, and get them back together whilst the cameras were rolling. but then once the cameras were off he refused. So to be fair Doug had tried to give them to Monkey World, and you can't really blame him for being angry at Jim.
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Okay, you're better informed than I am about this. But why did Jim Cronin refuse to take the two chimps? Do you mean he only said that he would for the benefit of the camera? Or was there some other reason?
 
Pertinax said:
Now this place is a genuine 'Rescue Centre'- it doesn't advertise itself as a zoo and is not open to the public, I don't think. It is obviously run on a low budget so enclosures are not going to be anything but basic, though adequate for their purpose. They do have a number of Chimpanzees from the closed Penscynor Wildlife Park plus various Hamadryas Baboons and other primates rescued from situations both in Uk and abysmal conditions further afield. I think the two chimpanzees from Southport Zoo ended up here too. Southport's owner Doug Petrie would not send them to MonkeyWorld in Dorset when the zoo had to close, as he had clashed with them in the past over keeping the chimps at Southport (Monkeyworld said they shouldn't be there as conditions were poor...)
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Wed site says its open:

"We are open to visitors between 10-30am and dusk right throughout the year.

ADMISSION CHARGES

All admission charges are used for feeding and caring for the animals

Day Ticket

Adults £ 5.00
Juniors (age 3 to 14 years) £ 3.50
Senior Citizens £ 3.50
Family Ticket (2 adults & 3 children) £ 17.00
Disabled Adults £ 4.00
Disabled Juniors (age 3 to 14 years) £ 3.00
Carers £ 4.00 "

Have a read of their news page, looks like they are having trouble with Twycross wanting some Gibbons back that went south port and are now at Cefn erw yr . Don't know the Cefn on very well but from the looks of their website thay genrally rescue a lot of needy primates and seem to really care for them. I also like Monkeyworld. I quite liked the enclousres and all the primates looked very contented.
 
Cefn-yr-erw is open to the public but fails in many areas to comply with either the Zoo Licensing act or the DWA Act. It used to be run with the latter though open to the public(!). I'm not sure if that situation has changed.

The chimpanzee accomodation there is actually pretty good but it is about the only thing that is.

I recall the owners bemoaning the chimpanzee enclosure at Belfast zoo for having only limited climbing availability whilst they seem quite happy to keep Gibbons in an hot-wired field with a stick in it to climb on.

The place has no perimeter fence, has a public road crossing the site in one direction and a public foot path in the other. There is nothing to stop anyone from wandering in.

The owners condem animals being used in the entertainment industry but are quite happy to use their own animals via a professional animal television co-ordinator (that I've seen first hand).

Having said all that, SOME of their animals have come from truly apalling conditions and are no doubt enjoying much better lives now.
 
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