Cincinnati Zoo and Botanical Garden News From the Cincinnati Zoo 2009

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If I remember my history correctly, the original group at Cincinnati were caught in Russia and sold by Carl Hagenbeck to Cincinnati Zoo. The zoo's original director was one of Hagenbeck's regional representatives. I can't recall whether the Bronx Zoo was involved in that trade as well.
 
Zooplantman said:
If I remember my history correctly, the original group at Cincinnati were caught in Russia and sold by Carl Hagenbeck to Cincinnati Zoo. The zoo's original director was one of Hagenbeck's regional representatives. I can't recall whether the Bronx Zoo was involved in that trade as well.
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Sol Stephan.
 
Horses and camel both on display in the Widllife Canyon (and active!), four tiger cubs are cute (but don't get me started on the fact that they're on exhibit with their mother in and exhibit that should really only fit two...), blind cave fish in the nocturnal house, the zoo is pretty certain that it has a pregnant 'white' lion and there has been breeding activity supposedly with their foosas. Good happenings today.

However, I got really upset when I saw that Cincy's lone snow leopard was shoved into a former pallas cat exhibit. No wonder it was asleep against the glass--I'd have been too.
 
We had a great visit last Wednesday. The kids fed the manatees, met a baby alligator, fed a bongo, met an okapi mom and calf along with a yellow-backed duiker. We also met Emi and her mate (name escapes me). Suci was on exhibit. The keeper was pretty certain that she will stay at Cincinnati and they will use AI from and unrelated male. They were pretty awesome to see up close! I'm sure I was much more excited than the kids but after some discussion about how rare they were they thought it was pretty cool!
 
Rookeyper said:
We had a great visit last Wednesday. The kids fed the manatees, met a baby alligator, fed a bongo, met an okapi mom and calf along with a yellow-backed duiker. We also met Emi and her mate (name escapes me). Suci was on exhibit. The keeper was pretty certain that she will stay at Cincinnati and they will use AI from and unrelated male. They were pretty awesome to see up close! I'm sure I was much more excited than the kids but after some discussion about how rare they were they thought it was pretty cool!
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If there is suggestions to use a different male for AI. That will have to Torgamba at Way Kambas Rhino Sanctuary?

I would suspect that if keepers told you Andalas is not being bred again to Emi - after having had 3 offspring from the current pairing - what is then the future of Andalas at Cincinnati? Will he be transferred to Way Kambas or will they extract sperm from him and use it in AI attempts on one or more of the female rhinos at Way Kambas?

Do you know anything to that effect?

K.B.
 
Kifaru Bwana said:
If there is suggestions to use a different male for AI. That will have to Torgamba at Way Kambas Rhino Sanctuary?

I would suspect that if keepers told you Andalas is not being bred again to Emi - after having had 3 offspring from the current pairing - what is then the future of Andalas at Cincinnati? Will he be transferred to Way Kambas or will they extract sperm from him and use it in AI attempts on one or more of the female rhinos at Way Kambas?

Do you know anything to that effect?

K.B.
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I don't think the male's name is Andalas. Andalas was the son that was sent to Sumatra.
 
Ipuh's the males name and nowhere did anyone mention that they wouldn't mate anymore? I hope they'll try as many times as they can, which such low numbers any youngster would be invaluable.

If they stop breeding with Ipuh, perhaps he'd be better off in Sumatra together with Bina, Rosa and Ratu but he's also getting on in age.

And Ai for Suci will have to be with Torgamba's sperm to have any genetic effect (or else she could just be paired with Ipuh instead). But that sounds close to impossible for quite a few reasons:
1. Why would you attempt Ai in the USA when there are 2/3 better suitable females right NOW at Way Kambas? Wouldn't it be better to pioneer the proces right there?
2. Torgamba's sperm is of quiestionable quality
3. This is supposably an "induced ovulating" species, meaning that she would need to be with a male in order to ovulate? Perhaps an hormonal treatment would work?

Just my 2 cents anyways, i love this species and i hope everything will turn out okay for them (with a huge back-up population in captivity in the end)
 
Uh, I don't think they'll be attempting to Suci with Ipuh considering he is her father
 
Given that no other males are availibble at the moment and that AI for sumatran rhinos has never been tried before, let alone be sucessful, I very much hope that Suci will be paired with her father Ipuh as soon as she starts cycling so that she can produce at least one calf before Ipuh dies from old age or gets too old for matings. With numbers in captivity so low, inbreeding is better then no breeding and inbreeding in the first generation usually does not have any detrimental effects on the offspring.
 
I didn't ask about whether they would try breeding Emi again. Cincinnati has done AI with their Indian rhinos numerous times. Again--this is from one of the keepers--I don't know definite plans at all.
 
Arizona Docent said:
Do they have an oncilla now??? As far as I know, there are none in the U.S.
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Wow, I didn't realize that there are no oncillas in any USA zoos! I just saw one in Mexico (San Juan de Aragon Zoo). If I'd known they were so rare, I would've taken a picture!
 
jwer said:
Ipuh's the males name and nowhere did anyone mention that they wouldn't mate anymore? I hope they'll try as many times as they can, which such low numbers any youngster would be invaluable.

If they stop breeding with Ipuh, perhaps he'd be better off in Sumatra together with Bina, Rosa and Ratu but he's also getting on in age.

And Ai for Suci will have to be with Torgamba's sperm to have any genetic effect (or else she could just be paired with Ipuh instead). But that sounds close to impossible for quite a few reasons:
1. Why would you attempt Ai in the USA when there are 2/3 better suitable females right NOW at Way Kambas? Wouldn't it be better to pioneer the proces right there?
2. Torgamba's sperm is of quiestionable quality
3. This is supposably an "induced ovulating" species, meaning that she would need to be with a male in order to ovulate? Perhaps an hormonal treatment would work?

Just my 2 cents anyways, i love this species and i hope everything will turn out okay for them (with a huge back-up population in captivity in the end)
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I should not have counted on memory alone (stop posting from work). It is indeed Ipuh. All males have been evaluated and it is true that Torgamba has been deemed low quality sperm. I would suspect that Cincinnati staff will not however want to go down the road of inbreeding (fatherxdaughter matings) and really have their eyes set on AI. Perhaps, Torgamba's sperm was already sampled when all rhinos were reproductively evaluated and was stored on the cryo bank.

And yes, affirmative on the ovulation induced breeding in this species.
 
Which means that Suci will have to be courted/mounted by a male in order for her to ovulate (perhaps they could pioneer an hormonal treatment). Given the amount of (unrelated) males at the moment, that seems hardly likely so the use of Ai is minimal at best...

Also not much news coming from Way Kambas... I would have hoped they'd stumbled onto a pregnancy by now :(
 
jwer said:
Also not much news coming from Way Kambas... I would have hoped they'd stumbled onto a pregnancy by now :(
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Yep, definitely Asians do something wrong with breeding of Sumatran rhinos. Another case of poor husbandry?

I would welcome loaning 1-2 more to the US. At least to prevent inbreeding.
 
Jurek7 said:
Yep, definitely Asians do something wrong with breeding of Sumatran rhinos. Another case of poor husbandry?

I would welcome loaning 1-2 more to the US. At least to prevent inbreeding.
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I would be a little more careful with my assessment. Torgamba was quite advanced in age when he was finally put with a female (and she was probably already nearing post reproductive age). The Way Kambas rhino enclosures are some of the most natural available and indeed like okapikpr said ... it is down to the fact that Andalas is still quite young. Thankfully, the 2 last females to get to Way Kambas are also not too old either. So, the group really has a positive outlook for the future ....
 
Does anyone know what happened to the scimatar oryxs and are the horses and camel in the same exhibit? Also what happened to the dama gazelle's, does anyone know? Thanks!
 
kbaker116 said:
Does anyone know what happened to the scimatar oryxs and are the horses and camel in the same exhibit? Also what happened to the dama gazelle's, does anyone know? Thanks!
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Horses and camel are in exhibits next to one another. Don't know where the scimatar's went. Hoping they pop up elsewhere though.
 
Hope all go's well this time, good news for this species, maybe semen from India could be imported in the future
 
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