Aris couldn`t have stayed longterm because he was from the sumatran species. I am sure any hand-reared babys coming to MW will stay legal property of another zoo and the owner and the EEP will decide about its future. Nowadays animals are regularly moved around without ownership being passed to the recieving zoo.
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Yes, as I put in my earlier post I was explicitly told by a member of staff that the two babies are the property of other collections and will go where the owners or the breeding programme decide.
He could if they had later received a baby Sumatran female or two- they might have then started a Sumatran group. But I'm sure all these decisions will still rest with the EEP.
That again raises the question, why did they try to intergrate him into the adult group which eventually led to his injury and death. Was it worth it?
taun
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Yes, if he had a future of pontential breeder.
Actually maybe not as only Sumatran males seem to be good role models as Bornean's tend not to get on well with young.
Sumatran males are usually more tolerant of their OWN offspring i.e. babies born to females they are living with. It doesn't necessary hold for unrelated young that are introduced to them(viz. adult Sumatran Major at La Boissiere killed 7year old Sumatran Wirawan from Jersey when he was introduced into their group- probably too suddenly).
Monkeyworld made a similar mistake, or had bad luck with trying to mix Aris with older animals although he wasn't killed by them- but no doubt they have learnt from it.
taun
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Oooops, yes that was more were I was aiming at and was trying to point out that Sumatran Males if brought up with the right male role model would be able to breed and show them on to be a good role model to his young.
Best scenario is a young male raised by its mother and allowed to stay with her until he is a subadult(8 or 9) I don't know how important the presence(or lack of) of a male is- in Borneans it doesn't seem to happen anyway. But 'Padang' at Chester is an example of a male with perfect upbringing, still living with both his parents at 11/12 years old. (I'm presuming he is still in the group?) He will make a good breeder somewhere in due course.
They are hoping for one or possibly two woolly monkey babies early next year, probably Piquita (mother of Raoul who she cared for but died after an injury thought to be due to a fall) and another.
It's been reported that Hsaio-Quai (a rescued Bornean orangutan from Taiwan) and Gordon (captive born) have a baby boy, much sooner than was generally expected. Don't know if the dates were wrong, it is prem or people got the wrong story. The baby appears to be suckling. Hsaio-Quai looked after her previous baby (now 4 - father Tuan also Taiwanese rescue)
Excellent news if it's true
Hopefully it'll survive (if it was premature). At least Hsaio-Quai is a good mother.
Hisao-ning
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hsiao-quai has had a baby boy 
born the 12th Novemder both mother and baby seem to be doing well and living happly with the group
born the 12th Novemder both mother and baby seem to be doing well and living happly with the group
hsiao-quai has had a baby boy
Pleased to here it
I take it that the father is Gordan?
Pleased to here it
I think it still is.
SilverbackApes
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Very good news, Hsiao-quai is such a good mum
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