Whales and Dolphins in the U.K

A pilot whale is ramus replacement and will live with the dolphins in the windsor dolphinarium"

Not sure if the pilot whale ever reached windsor? The way they say "will live with the dolphins" indicates it may have just been planned?

No they never had a pilot whale at Windsor. Ramu went to Sea World and was rename Winston. Windsor replaced Ramu with Winnie a female orca who eventually also went to Sea World in the US.

This is interesting from Pathe News circa 1965.

British Pathe - RIVER THAMES - THERE SHE BLOWS! (aka WHALE HUNT - SCHOOL OF WHALES IN THAMES)
 
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So it is just being left. I'm surprised the pier owners/local council haven't ordered it's removal. I guess it would cost them too much. There must be something nice that could be done with it.

It part of the structure of the pier. I think the new pier owners plan to develop the site at some point.
 
I have vague memories of the Dolphinarium in the Funfair at Porthcawl , South Wales . It think it was a small circular raised pool . I notice there is a reference to it on the Closed Dolphinaria web-site .

The dolphin pool at Porthcawl was very much the same design as Knowsley Dolphinarium.

Entam Dolphinariums

Concrete tank with a holding pen at either end.
 
For some reason nobody has mentioned the fact that they used to have Dolphins at West Midlands Safari Park,where they now have the Pirate Ship ride.
 
Thanks for the info on windsor, i had always wondered about the pilot whale since reading that book. Another mystery laid to rest!

Amazing footage of the pilot whales in the thames, and also very pleased to see some pics of scarborough zoo and marineland on your website.
 
For some reason nobody has mentioned the fact that they used to have Dolphins at West Midlands Safari Park,where they now have the Pirate Ship ride.

Indeed. Operated by the people who owned Margate Dolphinarium. Not sure how many seasons it ran. Photos here of the dolphins a day after they arrived; hence you can see the lanolin on their bodies from the transport. The pool was a large silage tank and was later used for fur seals I believe.

West Midlands Safari Park
 
Amazing footage of the pilot whales in the thames, and also very pleased to see some pics of scarborough zoo and marineland on your website.

I need to get more stuff up on the site. There must be photos around. I did notice an old Scarborough Zoo guide book on eBay a few months ago. I suspect I will have to do a trawl of local newspapers for some background at some point.
 
The pool at clacton looks to have been a fairly decent size in comparison to other dolphinaria in the uk of that era, was it very deep?
 
The pool at clacton looks to have been a fairly decent size in comparison to other dolphinaria in the uk of that era, was it very deep?

I used to go there a lot as knew the Bloom’s who ran it and their trainer.
The pool was a converted Olympic size swimming pool so it’s area was quite large, although they converted the shallow end into pools and holding pools. The original albeit basic aquarium that was part of the complex was also at this end.

It was about 11 feet at it’s deepest which was obviously were animal performed and for two or three dolphins is certainly was a reasonable size. They did have an inside pool for the winter which can be seen on the photos on the Clacton Dolphinarium web site. The fact the pool is ‘hanging’ on the pier also gave them the advantage of an unlimited natural sea-water supply.

Of course, it would not be legal now for dolphins in the UK as it is not deep enough.

Personally I don’t think bottlenose dolphins need pools 24 feet deep as laid down in the UK standards – area is far more important. In fact Klinowska’s ruling on this depth criteria was not based on any observational research with captive cetaceans but on a rule of thumb that each animal should have space the was at least two times their body length in all dimensions.

The rules in the US maintain that bottlenose dolphins pool depth has to be a minimum of 6 feet. The US housing standards can be found here as part of the Animal Welfare Act:


http://edocket.access.gpo.gov/cfr_2008/janqtr/pdf/9cfr3.104.pdf

It's a great pity the current site could not be used for marine mammals such as seal or sea lions to compliment the aquarium as the old pier owners did convert the pool for use for sea lions and improved on this in 1995 but this new facility was never used and remains there to this day unused :confused:

See pictures here by scrolling down:

The Sea Lion Show on Clacton Pier
 
I used to go there a lot as knew the Bloom’s who ran it and their trainer.
The pool was a converted Olympic size swimming pool so it’s area was quite large, although they converted the shallow end into pools and holding pools. The original albeit basic aquarium that was part of the complex was also at this end.

It was about 11 feet at it’s deepest which was obviously were animal performed and for two or three dolphins is certainly was a reasonable size. They did have an inside pool for the winter which can be seen on the photos on the Clacton Dolphinarium web site. The fact the pool is ‘hanging’ on the pier also gave them the advantage of an unlimited natural sea-water supply.

Of course, it would not be legal now for dolphins in the UK as it is not deep enough.

Personally I don’t think bottlenose dolphins need pools 24 feet deep as laid down in the UK standards – area is far more important. In fact Klinowska’s ruling on this depth criteria was not based on any observational research with captive cetaceans but on a rule of thumb that each animal should have space the was at least two times their body length in all dimensions.

The rules in the US maintain that bottlenose dolphins pool depth has to be a minimum of 6 feet. The US housing standards can be found here as part of the Animal Welfare Act:


http://edocket.access.gpo.gov/cfr_2008/janqtr/pdf/9cfr3.104.pdf

It's a great pity the current site could not be used for marine mammals such as seal or sea lions to compliment the aquarium as the old pier owners did convert the pool for use for sea lions and improved on this in 1995 but this new facility was never used and remains there to this day unused :confused:

See pictures here by scrolling down:

The Sea Lion Show on Clacton Pier


It's a shame the new complex looks adequate for sealions even now! And the public don't seem to associate performing sealions with half as much bad press as performing dolphins.
 
I found this thread very interesting. Just to add that one of our dolphins at Flamingo Park Zoo went to Seaburn and a couple of dolphins were also used to put on some shows at various places... Taiwan in the Far East, Seaburn, Rotherham in the UK and possibly Porthcawl, in Wales (not certain, but a couple of sealions certainly did!) I'll have to go through my diaries when I've got time.
 
I found this thread very interesting. Just to add that one of our dolphins at Flamingo Park Zoo went to Seaburn and a couple of dolphins were also used to put on some shows at various places... Taiwan in the Far East, Seaburn, Rotherham in the UK and possibly Porthcawl, in Wales (not certain, but a couple of sealions certainly did!) I'll have to go through my diaries when I've got time.

Porthcawl did have dolphins, if that helps. (bet you knew already anyway.)

Do we have any record of a Rotherham dolphinarium??? (John??)
 
Yes, I knew they did, just wasn't sure whether one of ours went there for a time, as I knew a couple of sealions did.

I found this rather sad bit about an incident at Porthcawl..

"One particular episode illustrates how the rose-tinted veil conceals such deaths and misery from the public. In 1972, Debbie Steele, who now works with the mentally-handicapped in London, was an assistant dolphin-trainer at Jean Tiebor's Porthcawl dolphinarium in South Wales. On the date in question, the 2.74m deep pool contained three dolphins, two large females and a younger, smaller individual named Baby Tara. With a packed house and Harlech Television cameras recording the show, image became of such paramount importance that not even a stricken, mortally-wounded dolphin was permitted to disrupt the happy, smiling illusion. "There were about 500 people in the audience and the television cameras were there," recounts Debbie Steele. "During the show, we suddenly realised that the two females had stopped performing and we saw them swimming very fast around the pool and both of them ramming the baby. The baby went to one side, all wobbly and obviously in distress, and I rushed towards the pool ready to dive in and pick her up but the boss stopped me and said 'no, we must make it look like it's part of the show.' So I got into a wet suit double-quick, came around the side of the pool, presented myself to the audience, dived in, and held-up the baby to the surface of the water so she could breathe. She was still alive then, wiggling and twitching a bit and breathing in gasps. Then I swam her into the holding pen and there she died while the show went on. For the next 20 minutes I was treading-water, holding her up and pretending she was still alive. When the last person in the audience had left and the television crew had dismantled their equipment, they finally fished me out, and then the body of Baby Tara which they laid out on the side of the pool. No one in the audience had realised a thing, and I was seething at the deceit of it all and the part that they'd made me play in it. I quit there and then."

Actually, we had a similar incident, but in our case it was a porpoise we'd taken in when it was found stranded 'up north'.. it repeatedly banged it's head on the side of the dolphin pool during a show and died. awful.

There must have been a facility..of sorts.. at Rotherham, as we sent a couple of dolphins and two sealions there!
 
hello ladies and gents, i am doing some research into the dolphins who where housed in the UK over past years and came across this feed, i realise it has been some years since it has been posted on but thought i would try my luck! i am very interested in the dolphins as individuals and was wondering if anyone who had a relationship with any of the dolphins would be willing to tell me about them? i understand that many years have passed but I'm hoping to learn as much about them as possible. if anyone is able to help me out with this then i would be very grateful for any help. thanks in advance, sahara.
 
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