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The snow leopards for the new Himalayan exhibit have been sourced and secured.
They are Suou, who was born in the wild but will come from Tama Zoo, in Japan, and Irma, who will come from Norden’s Ark, in Sweden.
They have been sourced but no arrival date as of today that I was told of.
 
That exactly what I was going to say. They are spending god knows how many millions on the new welcome centre and snow leopard enclosure, and have to make staff redundant due to 'the economic climate'!!

Yet they were saying that over easter there visitor numbers were up 150% because of their TV adverts. I will have a bet that the staff that were made redundant were not management even though it's them spending the money!!
 
Twycross and Durell are the only two too have come forward and stated that they are laying off staff I wonder how many have done it on the quiet.
 
Yet they were saying that over easter there visitor numbers were up 150% because of their TV adverts. I will have a bet that the staff that were made redundant were not management even though it's them spending the money!!
How wrong you are most of the staff that went were senior staff all of which had been their over 5 years.
 
Twycross Zoo has become a bit of joke!;)

I just don't see why they are building this new entrance and happy to spend loads of money on it and yet seem so slow to improve some of their animal facilities?!

BTW when will this new entance and snow leopard exhibit be open?
 
Twycross Zoo has become a bit of joke!;)

I just don't see why they are building this new entrance and happy to spend loads of money on it and yet seem so slow to improve some of their animal facilities?!

BTW when will this new entance and snow leopard exhibit be open?

I think the enclosure standards at twycross get really bad press on these forums. Sure the enclosures aren't the best by a long way off, but they aren't terrible.
 
I agree Foz, yeah some could do with updating, but i have faith that things are now changing for the better. For example no more lions in the lions enclosure, its being used for the hyenas, a much small animal. Alot of the monkey enclosures are being overhauled as in being landscaped and new climbing equipment etc. Did they get a new manger in the last year and thats why things are changing?
 
How wrong you are most of the staff that went were senior staff all of which had been their over 5 years.

Were they management NO. Just because some of them were there over 5 years doesnt make them management some were there less that 3 years. The ones they got rid of were not management and it does have impact on the keepers because i bet they have more work to do now. So next time you say that im wrong get your facts straight.
 
Were they management NO. Just because some of them were there over 5 years doesnt make them management some were there less that 3 years. The ones they got rid of were not management and it does have impact on the keepers because i bet they have more work to do now. So next time you say that im wrong get your facts straight.
So John Ray and the head of Catering on not part of the Mangement team!!!!
 
Twycross Zoo has become a bit of joke!;)

I just don't see why they are building this new entrance and happy to spend loads of money on it and yet seem so slow to improve some of their animal facilities?!

BTW when will this new entance and snow leopard exhibit be open?

Changes I believe are a foot. Its going to take time to turn some of the place around. I love twycross but I agree some things need sorting out there.
 
If only people know what really goes on in zoos. Like last year a lot of people were upset that Twycross never had a silverback so they blame the zoo. If people worked in a zoo there are things called studbooks that control animal movements. No one blamed them! There is a lot of unfair comments about Twycross on here over the years and the people dont have a clue what they are going on about and then you get some animal collections that have hardly any bad comments even thought all zoos have faults.
 
If only people know what really goes on in zoos. Like last year a lot of people were upset that Twycross never had a silverback so they blame the zoo. If people worked in a zoo there are things called studbooks that control animal movements. No one blamed them! There is a lot of unfair comments about Twycross on here over the years and the people dont have a clue what they are going on about and then you get some animal collections that have hardly any bad comments even thought all zoos have faults.

I think you will find most people on here understand what you have wrote, but it still doesn't mean we are not allowed an opinion right or wrong on the matter.

I believe Twycross could have brought the silverback in earlier then they did.

If members are posting information that is incorrect, why don't you politely correct them instead of jumping down there throats.
 
If members are posting information that is incorrect, why don't you politely correct them instead of jumping down there throats.

Took the words right out of my mouth (erm, fingers? keyboard??). Most members on here will know about studbooks and so forth, but if people don't, rather than having a go at them over it, the thing to do is to explain.

Twycross is a great place but it's had (and has) it's problems, like anywhere else.
 
I think you will find most people on here understand what you have wrote, but it still doesn't mean we are not allowed an opinion right or wrong on the matter.

I believe Twycross could have brought the silverback in earlier then they did.

If members are posting information that is incorrect, why don't you politely correct them instead of jumping down there throats.

Ok I see your point about having a go but for to long there are people on here that say a lot of unfair things about Twycross and I have as well but when it comes to the animals they do the best they are given (keepers). Trust me they could'nt bring in a new male sooner. When i first started reading comments about Twycross people were saying unfair things about the Elephants then when one was pregnent they started on the silverback issue. But when u put anything bad about paignton or other collections they stick up 4 them. So i see your point on not having a go but i hope you can see why ive had enough of people getting there facts wrong about this collection.
 
Ok I see your point about having a go but for to long there are people on here that say a lot of unfair things about Twycross and I have as well but when it comes to the animals they do the best they are given (keepers). Trust me they could'nt bring in a new male sooner. When i first started reading comments about Twycross people were saying unfair things about the Elephants then when one was pregnent they started on the silverback issue. But when u put anything bad about paignton or other collections they stick up 4 them. So i see your point on not having a go but i hope you can see why ive had enough of people getting there facts wrong about this collection.

You will get that thou, people become protective about there own collection and will SOMETIMES forget its not perfect (Like Chester is not perfect)

I know Twycross keepers do there best and that the layout and enclosures are old and therefore not to the standard of other collections, however they are not bad (but sometimes people associate "not perfect" with being terrible) something we have to just leave with.

And for the record I love Twycross it is one of my favourite places (mainly due the species kept there) but I know it not perfect just like my "home" zoo.
 
@ Cartman417:

Twycross has been critized for a lot of things on zoochat for years, and the problem was not that it took so long to bring in a new silverback in the young group after Secondi`s death!

The main point many here have complained about is that Twycross is not taking it`s responsability as a holder of rare, endangered, highly social species like gorillas and elephants very serious and has for very long periods of time not done what would have been necessary to enhance breeding. In regards to gorillas, the (genetically very important) young female Asante never bred with Sekondi, yet TWycross never moved her to another zoo. While the wild-caught and equally important female Biddy was kept with non-breeding males for years or even decades (Pertinax, I am sure you know the details). She was not moved to the breeding male and not to another zoo.
Elephants - where has Twycross been unfairly critized? They have 4 females in breeding age, among them now THREE breeding females, and they have wasted the breeding potenial for a decade, and they STILL don`t have a bull barn, nor plans to build one as far as I know. If they can`t afford it, I understand, but then it would be their responsability to move the existing herd to a zoo which can. That`s what the EEP is for. They should have done that many years ago instead of trying to buy time through invasive and expensive AI. Not to mention that they seperated a young female from her mother just because the keepers had problems handling her in free contact, instead of changing to protected contact or sending mother and daugther away together.

If you have any knowledge that explains the above, please let us know. I`d be happy if my judgement about Twycross would be wrong.
By the way, no one doubts that the main problem is the management, and that many keepers are doing their best.
 
The fact remains that Twycross do have a very poor breeding record when it comes to some of their higher profile species;

Gorillas- only 4 offspring(+two died) from 5 potential breeding females in over forty years of keeping them.(Compare with Howletts in a similar time frame) Two of the existing females which are both genetically very important have still never bred. This could have been rectified simply by a couple of exchanges in the past with other collections, to prevent over familiarity(and so lack of breeding interest) between their animals, thus allowing them to develop normal social groups- male/females/young of different ages. Instead, because the originals were zoo 'favourites' of the old management that couldn't be 'parted with' this short-sighted policy resulted with humanised animals and very sporadic births even up to the present time.

Elephants. 3 or 4 potential breeding females (one already has reprotract malfunction, possibly through lack of breeding). No bull kept so only ever three calves produced, at very long intervals since they originally imported young females. Original management didn't regard repeated breeding as a priority. As with the Gorillas, an extremely short sighted policy preventing the development of a normal group with young of different ages and so increasing social interactions.

African Guenon monkey species-despite the largest collection in the UK , overall it has a very poor breeding record with deaths outweighing births, virtually no viable breeding groups established and most of these species now reduced to ageing, nonbreeding singletons or pairs. This is still a 'postage stamp' collection in many ways.

Very poor and ugly accomodation for some of the oldest 'tea party' and other chimpanzees,which should have been a priority for removal many years ago. Certainly before they embarked on a £ multi-million entrance area. (Twycross really has far too many chimps- unless they are all kept in ONE social group.)

On the other hand they have good breeding records for Orangutan, Bonobo, some Gibbons & monkey species and others.

Keepers work with the animals and buildings they are given while the Management decides policy, so it is the Management, not the keepers, who are ultimately responsible for any shortcomings in enclosure design, animal groupings and transfers. At Twycross ALL animals are well looked after, well fed and in good health, within that framework. There are some good, modern enclosures, but far more mediocre ones or poorly designed ones. Regarding animal transfers and exchanges- studbook holders advise and recommend exchanges, but only in conjunction with the zoo itself.

Most important of all, at Twycross the social needs of some species, particularly the Elephants and the Gorillas (and some Chimps), are still not being properly met in my opinion.
 
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I concur comfortably with Pertinax rather extensive essay.

We all agree that the keeper staff is not an issue and work their sox off to maintain the primate collection in good shape. Management has been rather erratic at times and it is a case of keeping close tabs.

It is a shame that a very valuable Cercopithecinae collection has been allowed to slowly desintegrate. For example, JAF/PL takes great care in these and consequently has some of the very best primate enclosures worldwide. Twycross could be similarly famous if only management persued that vison.
 
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