Tierpark Hagenbeck Hagenbeck Zoo Orang enclosure

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brokehalo7

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Just been looking on zoolex and came across this enclosure.

for some reason its all a bit "out there" for me.

Anyone know how the rook actually works?

and in the pictures it seems as they can just climb over the rocks and get out?!

What are the Orangs history?
 
Nope, they can´t get out. All round the exhibit are high walls with small electric fences and to the front there´s water. Most of the high rocks are on the left side of the exhibit, but they don´t reach the wall.
At nice days you can open half of the roof, then it´s a outdoorexhibit. Behind the exibit are the sleepingcages, where the Orangs sleep in small groups at night.
Together with the orangs there live short cralled otter. There was also a Binturong (Arctictis binturong), but it didn´t worked out between it and the otters.

Tuan, the young male, 2 weeks ago:

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Their former exhibit in the old Troparium (1960-2004):

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and the Link to the Page on zoolex
 
Wow, that is a massive increase in living standards for the Orangs. Those old ones look pretty bad.
 
The Group today:

1,0 Tuan
1,0 Kejutan
0,1 Bella
0,1 Mokko
0,1 Toba
0,1 Laila
0,1 Sly
0,1 Harapan (Marie)
0,1 Simia

Bella:
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Bella again:

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The House 2 Weeks ago (it´s really a cool bulding):

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Nice picture! Is it an illusion or is very little space actually ued for climbing? From the siluette it looks like there is a lot of space for flying. It's a shame that so many zoos and zoo architects are unaware of the fact that primates don't fly (exept gibbons off course).
 
The enclosure is lowered into the ground, so there is a bit more of it than can be seen from the photo. I think it's a fantastic orang enclosure. Here are three pics from my last visit there, in the summer 2005. As you can see, the roof was open.
 

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Yeah, the Orangs have pretty high trees in there, also many ropes (including a Bungee-rope, what the apes love).
The faketree in the background has many holes, where is always food hidden.
 
Animal said:
And for all of you who don´t have Magnifying glasses:
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Maybe i'm just stupid, but i can't figure out how to post my pics in that size. Can you tell me how to do it?
 
Animal said:
The Group today:

1,0 Tuan
1,0 Kejutan
0,1 Bella
0,1 Mokko
0,1 Toba
0,1 Laila
0,1 Sly
0,1 Harapan (Marie)
0,1 Simia
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Sumatran orangutans (p.abelii)

Tuan - *1998 Duisburg (Siam x Anette), since 2001 Hagenbeck/Hamburg, will become the new alpha male. He is very communicative and everybody´s darling.

Bella – wild *1961 ?, since 1964 Hagenbeck/Hamburg. She is one of the eldest female orangutans living in a zoo, adopted the children of another female (Mokko) and brought them up (Chuij, who is living now in Budapest/Hungary and Sinta, now in Stuttgart/Germany) together with her own ones. As she is a brave and agil orang, she was one of the first exploring the new habitat and mating there with Sinjo, the boss, who died last year. At the age of 44 (!) years she gave birth in 2005 to a healthy daughter, who was named

Harapan (which means “hope”) and “Marie”, because there exists a german song “Bella Marie…”. Sure, it´s her last offspring.

Toba - *1984 Frankfurt/Main (Charly x Brigitte), since 1989 Hagenbeck/Hamburg. She is very corpulente and dominant and since some years the female leader of the group when she displaced the elder Bella. Sinjo was her favourite and you could often find her together with him even sharing the food! There are 2 offsprings living still with her:

Sly - *1999 Hagenbeck/Hamburg (Sinjo x Toba)

Kejutan - *2004 Hagenbeck/Hamburg (Sinjo x Toba)

Mokko - *1983 Frankfurt/Main (Charly x Djambi), since 1989Hagenbeck/Hamburg, half-sister of Toba. She has a very special personality. Her first children she refused and Bella took care of them. She is the best looking female orang and also a little bit aggressive. Her two last daughters are living with her:

Laila - *1998 Hagenbeck/Hamburg (Sinjo x Mokko)

Simia - *2005 Hagenbeck/Hamburg (Sinjo x Mokko)
 
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Today Leila, one 10 year old female drown in the water-moat, after some visitors were feeding her...
 
Argh will people never learn? (I assume she drowned because people were feeding her?)
That's so sad :(
 
Animal said:
Today Leila, one 10 year old female drown in the water-moat, after some visitors were feeding her...
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Will zoos NEVER learn that water moats for Apes are DANGEROUS. It is the zoo's fault for including this design, not the public who cannot be expected to know the dangers, even if they caused the incident.

Despite Apes drowing in water moats over many years, still more Zoos are using watermoats as barriers in their new designs- the 'look' of the enclosure seems to be more important than the risk to the lives of the inhabitants- what's the odd loss of a gorilla or orang nowadays? :mad::mad:
 
It would be interesting to list all these incedents.

The main problem in Hamburg is, that you are allowed to feed the other monkys but not the apes... So visitors that are not that smart will think: Hey, it´s another monkey, feed it.

Now at the enclosure are 2 more signs: No feeding... Bravo, now everything ist better...

Btw: Rumors say Leila was pregnant...
 
Sitara said:
Sumatran orangutans (p.abelii)

Tuan - *1998 Duisburg (Siam x Anette), since 2001 Hagenbeck/Hamburg, will become the new alpha male. He is very communicative and everybody´s darling.

Bella – wild *1961 ?, since 1964 Hagenbeck/Hamburg. She is one of the eldest female orangutans living in a zoo, adopted the children of another female (Mokko) and brought them up (Chuij, who is living now in Budapest/Hungary and Sinta, now in Stuttgart/Germany) together with her own ones. As she is a brave and agil orang, she was one of the first exploring the new habitat and mating there with Sinjo, the boss, who died last year. At the age of 44 (!) years she gave birth in 2005 to a healthy daughter, who was named

Harapan (which means “hope”) and “Marie”, because there exists a german song “Bella Marie…”. Sure, it´s her last offspring.

Toba - *1984 Frankfurt/Main (Charly x Brigitte), since 1989 Hagenbeck/Hamburg. She is very corpulente and dominant and since some years the female leader of the group when she displaced the elder Bella. Sinjo was her favourite and you could often find her together with him even sharing the food! There are 2 offsprings living still with her:

Sly - *1999 Hagenbeck/Hamburg (Sinjo x Toba)

Kejutan - *2004 Hagenbeck/Hamburg (Sinjo x Toba)

Mokko - *1983 Frankfurt/Main (Charly x Djambi), since 1989Hagenbeck/Hamburg, half-sister of Toba. She has a very special personality. Her first children she refused and Bella took care of them. She is the best looking female orang and also a little bit aggressive. Her two last daughters are living with her:

Laila - *1998 Hagenbeck/Hamburg (Sinjo x Mokko)

Simia - *2005 Hagenbeck/Hamburg (Sinjo x Mokko)
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is Djambi by any chance the female at colchester zoo ???
 
Animal said:
It would be interesting to list all these incedents.

The main problem in Hamburg is, that you are allowed to feed the other monkys but not the apes... So visitors that are not that smart will think: Hey, it´s another monkey, feed it.

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I listed the ones I knew of somewhere on another thread once.

From memory;
Bronx 1951. Male gorilla fell in and drowned
Frankfurt 1960's Male gorilla fell in(heart attack?) and drowned.
"" "" " chimpanzee also drowned? (they filled in the moat afterward but now the new apehouse has water barriers again...)
Longleat. 1970's. male gorilla drowned.
Chester.1960's Young orangutan drowned.
Dublin. young orangutan drowned ?(I think)
Chimpanzee drowned.
Hanover.1990's. male Gorilla 'Arti' drowned.
Hagenbeck (yesterday). female Orangutan drowned.
Arnhem- I think an orangutan may have drowned there also.

There may be others I don't know about....
 
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