New equine collection in the making?

kiang

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I posted elsewhere of Terri Hill, who has brought in to her private collection 4.0 zebra.
I found this article from BBC Bristol, in which she states that she would like to set up an equine collection.
Interestingly she states that it could involve "all eight different wild equids that are available".

BBC - Bristol zebras are beginning of equine scheme
 
I posted elsewhere of Terri Hill, who has brought in to her private collection 4.0 zebra.
I found this article from BBC Bristol, in which she states that she would like to set up an equine collection.
Interestingly she states that it could involve "all eight different wild equids that are available".

BBC - Bristol zebras are beginning of equine scheme

The Housing looks okay. I doubt whether anyone will park any Hartmann's Zebra with her in the near future as there seems to be a shortage of Stallions in this species. But I could see some of the others being available, especially in the surplus male line. Whipsnade have either or two Chapman's stallions(bachelors,no mares) and a young Onager male. Marwell a 2nd Somali Ass male. Who knows?
 
I think collections like this would be very useful in breeding programs, holding surplus males until they are required in breeding programs compared to the current situation where they are euthanized!
 
The Housing looks okay. I doubt whether anyone will park any Hartmann's Zebra with her in the near future as there seems to be a shortage of Stallions in this species. But I could see some of the others being available, especially in the surplus male line. Whipsnade have either or two Chapman's stallions(bachelors,no mares) and a young Onager male. Marwell a 2nd Somali Ass male. Who knows?

I would think in the near future HWP, will be looking for a home for one or two kiang stallions.
Along with more and more UK collections taking on and breeding Grevy's zebra and Somali wild ass, all male groups will be an essential part of the breeding programmes.
 
I think collections like this would be very useful in breeding programs, holding surplus males until they are required in breeding programs compared to the current situation where they are euthanized!

Have you got evidence to back this up? As everyone I ask this cannot produce the evidence!
 
I would think in the near future HWP, will be looking for a home for one or two kiang stallions.
Along with more and more UK collections taking on and breeding Grevy's zebra and Somali wild ass, all male groups will be an essential part of the breeding programmes.

And we haven't mentioned Przewalski's Horses yet- could they be her next species perhaps?
 
I have always supported private individuals from running breeding sanctuaries for endangered species. Zoos in themselves have restricted space for maintaing large gene pools of surplus animals or further breeding herds. In fact, it is usually the reason why breeding programmes cannot proceed beyond a certain level.

What does need to happen IS:
A) that the collection remains intact and is secured well before the time arrives that the founder is deceased. Which is what happened in the US with Canyon Colorado.
B) the collection needs minimum standards and adhere to the JMSP / DEFRA guidelines on maintaining exotic species privately.
 
Have you got evidence to back this up? As everyone I ask this cannot produce the evidence!

Evidence for which part of my post?

I think its fairly obvious that with a species like equids mature males cannot be kept together without serious fighting if females are present. so they must go elsewhere away from the breeding herd. so surplus males need to live in bathchelor herds just like they would in the wild! If zoo have to deal with these herds then that is an institution that cannot be involved with breeding because they cannot keep females. If a facility was available like this more zoos could concentrate on breeding! Then there is a big gene pool to draw from when a male gets over represented or dies.

The second part of my post about euthanasia is a well know fact about surplus zoo animals. I am not going to start giving examples here but for obvious reasons zoos keep this sort of thing under their hat and rightly so. It is unfortunatly a vital part of captive management. If you want evidence I quote from the Secretary of States Standards for Modern Zoo Practise.

Euthanasia
4.9 Euthanasia is an acceptable procedure only if an animal cannot be provided with captive
conditions which meet the Five Principles, or it cannot be released into the wild.
Although breeding for conservation purposes is to be encouraged, species for which there
is marginal or no conservation value should be carefully assessed on whether to allow them
to breed, and, if not, appropriate action taken to prevent stock from increasing
unnecessarily. In the main, measures should be taken to control unwanted or unnecessary
breeding, are preferable to euthanasia of healthy stock.
4.10 Euthanasia may be justifiable under certain conditions, which include the following:
• If, in the opinion of a vet, an animal is suffering from an incurable disease, or severe
pain or suffering which cannot be alleviated.
• If a zoo has to close, euthanasia may be the only option for some animals and the
most humane for others.
• If the animal poses a serious and unavoidable threat to human safety (e.g. because
it has escaped).
• Culling of surplus stock (including unacceptable sex ratios) where over-crowding
compromises the welfare of the animals so that it is impractical to maintain them
within the Five Principles.
4.11 It is important that a modern zoo has a policy, with appropriate protocols, to ensure
humane and timely euthanasia to minimise suffering. This information should be made
available to Inspectors and form part of the audit process. It should be capable of
demonstrating that zoo operators have:
a) information and guidance from their veterinary surgeon on euthanasia, including
emergency methods;
b) facilities for the humane despatch of animals of all the species kept, including for
killing casualties under emergency conditions
c) support and advice on public relations aspects of the killing of animals.
 
Evidence for which part of my post?

The second part of my post about euthanasia is a well know fact about surplus zoo animals. I am not going to start giving examples here but for obvious reasons zoos keep this sort of thing under their hat and rightly so. It is unfortunatly a vital part of captive management. If you want evidence I quote from the Secretary of States Standards for Modern Zoo Practise.

So yet again, no one can produce evidence that this goes on? And just posting a standard that does not mean that it actually happens. Am on about using it to get rid off surplus stock, I understand all other reasons for using it.

I really wonder what the big secret is about euthanasia? If it’s an important part of captive management then why cover it up? As you post those standards there is plenty of reasons to use it but I have not heard of it being used to actually destroy surplus animals.
 
My Collection

:)Hello all, thank you for showing such interest in my goings on! May I firstly put in a correction that I actually have 3.1 zebras here at present. I am an acredited associate member of BIAZA and have support from 2 zoos and work with most of the collections in the UK with Plains zebras, as they are my speciality. I also obviously have a DWA and I comply with all the standards required by all the governing bodies. Now rather than spout on here I will let you ask what you want and try to answer you, if you wish to ask. Oh and Przewalski's are not next on my list although I have been offered 5 over the past few months. :)
 
Hi Zooleopard

Yes,There is a plan to maybe get a young male Somali from a European collection.
 
First there was whiteboardgate and now a zoochatter with her own herd of zebra, who will be next to turn up in the news ;)
Good luck with your plans for the park Tizer.
 
So yet again, no one can produce evidence that this goes on? And just posting a standard that does not mean that it actually happens. Am on about using it to get rid off surplus stock, I understand all other reasons for using it.

I really wonder what the big secret is about euthanasia? If it’s an important part of captive management then why cover it up? As you post those standards there is plenty of reasons to use it but I have not heard of it being used to actually destroy surplus animals.

What an absurd post (from someone who has clearly had little to do with the industry). Vulpes is absolutely correct and what evidence do you want him/her to produce? a freshly euthanized animal perhaps ?

This does and will continue to occur regardless of any opinion you have. As for why its not in the public domain ??
- Well i think that’s rather obvious...
 
What an absurd post (from someone who has clearly had little to do with the industry). Vulpes is absolutely correct and what evidence do you want him/her to produce? a freshly euthanized animal perhaps ?

This does and will continue to occur regardless of any opinion you have. As for why its not in the public domain ??
- Well i think that’s rather obvious...

Off course am not in the industry, am entitled to my opinion. I have not turned around and said it should not happen, so why attack me?

Am just trying to find evidence of it actually happening because am sorry but I fail to except that the animals cannot be moved somewhere in the world? Or is the cost too great and therefore keeper to kill the animals?

It would also prove me wrong when I have argued against members on here that it was rife in zoos, so why would I still want to get evidence for it? Am interested in knowing, but no one is prepared to actually tell me anything? If it’s such an important form of captive management what’s the big secret?
 
Nobody involved with zoos is going to give you examples over a public forum! It may not necessarily happen with all species but generally surplus males of a particularly common species are euthanised! I can give you some general examples, In collections that keep large herds of red deer, high numbers of stags would be very problematic so euthanasia is the general protocol, they are not easy to find homes for nor can they be released. I can think of at least one high profile species in zoos that has been put down in the last few weeks because he was over represented, and no home could be found for him. it does happen!
 
If you two are going to argue about animals being killed in zoos, please start your own thread! and to all of you whom have wished me well, thank you so much for all your support. I am very grateful and very happy. :)
 
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