Chester Zoo Natural Vision Plans

I do not see the harm in having an overnight stay facility at the zoo.

The objections to the hotel are mostly coming from local residents as far as I can see, who are concerned about traffic, access and noise in the same way most of us would be with a major development near our home!


Even on a sound day you do not have sufficient time to enjoy every part of the zoo. It is near impossible to do both East and West wing in a day.

I've never found it to be too much of a problem so long as you arrive before lunch (once the new developments are finished it may be a different story!).

The Berlins are the only zoos I've struggled to do in a single day; we did schedule a day and a half to do Walsrode because we expected that to take a while!
 
The objections to the hotel are mostly coming from local residents as far as I can see, who are concerned about traffic, access and noise in the same way most of us would be with a major development near our home!

Actually the new entrance road will alleviate most of those problems, they main beef with the Hotel is that the zoo is turning into a Disney land type attraction and that the hotel would have an impact on the local hotels.
 
There will be changes to the existing roadway into the zoo (the park and ride roundabout areas and the right-angle turn to the main entrance) in addition to the new access route. The goal is to move traffic congestion inside of the boundaries of the zoo - so cars will back up within its grounds - rather than along the public highways. The hotel won't add anything in the way of congestion.

The questions raised last night weren't really accompanied by specific objections, but having chatted to a number of people at the zoo, the problems appear to be related primarily to the green belt and a negative perception of Upton becoming ever closer to Ellesmere Port. The hotel and the garden centre are the two bones of contention, which is ironic because both are largely within the current developed boundaries of the zoo whereas HoA itself breaks new ground.

The zoo are going to great pains to ensure that they control the hotel and that it is an integral part of the zoo, almost within its own exhibit. They do not want to simply sell the concept to a developer with all the risks that entails. The words "theme park" were mentioned however with a reference to the fact that Disney's Animal Kingdom does not call itself a "zoo". That may not help appease residents, but one young woman in the audience thought it was a great idea. I have to say, I don't have any objections to it either, especially as the zoo will continue to partner with local hotels and it'll also facilitate more environmental/zoo conferences being held at Chester.

There were also issues raised about HoA being seen for some distance around given its hight, unlike Eden for example, which is built in a quarry. Simon Mann explained that unfortunately, Chester Zoo doesn't have a quarry.

The plans for a wharf area by the canal are shelved on environmental grounds however, and by NEZS themselves as the area is considered to be too diverse a habitat.

I don't want to step on Alan's toes if he's writing a "proper" report, but two points to be aware of. "Natural Vision" and "Heart of Africa" are only temporary names, both may change, and that the big issue is undoubtedly funding. It is complex and there are pitfalls along the way. It'll require both a development grant with local, national and EU government approval, and sponsorship along the lines of the O2.
 
I can only report on a few points from the meeting. The speaker was Simon Mann, who is the zoo's Development Officer, in charge of these plans and putting them into effect.
He started by emphasising the zoo's mission and vision - and how the overseas projects will need increasing funding as the numbers of endangered species rise. This money will have to continue to come from the visitors. Numbers have been rising in the past few years, but the recession may cause a downturn this year.
Natural Vision aims to learn from projects such as Burger's Bush, Masoala, Gondwanaland and the Eden Project:
  • how to encourage more visitors, particularly in the winter and other quiet times
  • how to build and manage a tropical immersion exhibit, as an indoor attraction (mainly indoor anyway)
  • how to give a strong and consistent biodiversity and sustainability theme to whole zoo
  • how to develop better links with the local infrastructure, including other local attractions and public transport
  • how to develop educational, conference and hotel facilities for visitors from more distant parts of the UK and from overseas - which would have considerable economic consequences for the region and so attract funding from development agencies.
Each zone in the new plans will look and feel different - barriers, signs, planting, path surfaces etc will help visitors orient themselves and expand the theme of the zone. The Butterfly House and the Tsavo aviary are designed in this spirit, letting visitors get close to the animals for an immersion experience (I hate this term, but on reflection it is not so different from George Mottershead's big idea of a zoo without bars - there were several references to his foresight last night).
The new hunting dog exhibit (on the site now occupied by the Przewalski horses) will be the first part of the new African savanna zone.
The basic structure of the Heart of Africa building was explained - it is planned as a world class exhibit; each major mammal species will have two indoor and two outdoor exhibits, with oversized holding areas to meet the highest animal welfare standards. There are no environmental standards for a building like this, so the construction, heating, ventilation etc will effectively set new standards. A new road and entrance building are also part of the first phase of the plans, this will include a public space which will allow visitors to see elephants and rhinos before they actually enter the zoo (like the bears in Hagenbeck's 'shop window' in Hamburg).
As SMR has said, the key question is funding (I wish I had asked a question about it to tease out a few more details, but I am not going to set out any numbers here). The zoo's projected figures indicate that the development money will provide a very substantial return for the region within a few years, and the zoo's increased income will allow it to complete the rest of the masterplan without any further funding.
As yet there is no date for the planning hearing. If the plans are approved, the Regional Development Agency will have to agree to provide the development funding and the EU must allow it to go ahead. The big hurdle may be the Treasury, and nobody will know about their attitude until after the General Election. If everything goes smoothly (fingers crossed, touch wood) building could start in autumn 2011, with completion in spring 2014.

Alan
 
An excellent summary from Alan.

We also learned the following points about the HoA exhibit itself:

Considerable work is being undertaken to ensure the building is environmentally sound, for example, its primary aspect faces due south to maximise solar energy, but there are also contingencies for excessive heating in the summer months. A comparison was drawn with the Eden Project where they simply "open the windows", something not possible when there will be so many free-flying birds. One solution is a heat exchanger and water-filled reservoir beneath the building.

A question was raised by one attendee about an incinerator, but Simon pointed out that there was no such thing on-site and that the power plant would burn bio-fuel (wood chip) with a gas reserve.

The high temperature inside HoA is primarily for the horticulture, and the zoo are aware that it may be excessive for some people over an extended period. Therefore there will be strategically positioned escape points, where visitors can go outside and get some fresh air and an ice-cream.

As Alan said, there will be two indoor and two outdoor enclosures for each of the major species. Lessons have been learnt from the Monkey Islands insomuch as when an animal goes outside (or comes inside) there will be a short, direct route for visitors to follow it. In the case of Monkey Islands, by the time you've walked through the building and around the islands, the animal has gone.

A water bus route passes through the centre of the structure and it will provide some views not accessible on foot.

The design was compared to a number of other large dome structures and the presentation examined their shortcomings. It was felt that looking up at a tree canopy that might be in excess of thirty metres high was certainly impressive, but that the best view was from above, something not available at any other exhibit (although Eden have outline plans for a walkway). Therefore HoA is designed on many different levels and will give views of the tree canopy throughout all the stages of its growth.

As Alan alluded to, HoA is being built largely to address seasonal discrepancies in visitor numbers and provide a more stable income throughout the year, but the zoo are aware that the majority of visitors will still attend during the six week summer holidays period. In a departure for Chester, the plan is to provide timed tickets for HoA and on peak days - bank holidays for example - there may even be a small additional charge. This is primarily designed to ensure that only a certain number of visitors are inside the bio-dome at any one time and may be a reaction to the issues of Realm of the Red Ape, which is an absolute nightmare on busy days.

A number of key challenges faced by the zoo were highlighted. They included the green belt, the bridal path and the power lines, which run through the car park and over the HoA site. There was a possibility of them being buried underground, but the cost would have been ~£10M and then planning rules would have prevented building above them, essentially stopping the entire project. It looks like we'll just have to live with them and the bridges, which are also unavoidable.

The Butterfly House and the Tsavo aviary are designed in this spirit, letting visitors get close to the animals for an immersion experience (I hate this term, but on reflection it is not so different from George Mottershead's big idea of a zoo without bars - there were several references to his foresight last night).

Fellow members of IZES would have recognised the final slide, which was taken from the Guide to British Zoos and Aquariums. Good to see Tim Brown and IZES getting the publicity, and it was particularly apt.

Hopefully Alan and I have summarised some of the key points, more facts and figures are available from NEZS if needed.
 
Thanks for the updates, guys - it's good to see it's being well thought through.
 
Aswell I dont know how many of you have been keeping up with the support comments and public comments, which have been added to the case file over the past few months...

Residents dont seem to happy, yet when I read some of their letters, and they only give a short point (with no evidence or explanation) it just angers me, alot of things anger me.
 
NO! The hotel and Garden Centre havent been scrapped from the Heart of Africa Plan, they have been scrapped from NV, and NO! Again, the Natural Vision project will not be however metre long, it will be the size of the whole zoo and more!

Sometimes I wonder if they even the slightest amount of research into the subject!

Edit: Although I must say, these two developments did seem unnecessary and the developments in question being axed doesnt bother me greatly.
 
, there will be two indoor and two outdoor enclosures for each of the major species. Lessons have been learnt from the Monkey Islands insomuch as when an animal goes outside (or comes inside) there will be a short, direct route for visitors to follow it.

I was interested in this point as the more enclosures there are, the more space will be taken up with fencing, moats or whatever other dividing barriers are to be used. I can see the need for 'doubling up' on indoor accomodation from management needs, but am rather surprised each major species is planned to have more than one outdoor enclosure. From an exhibit point of view this is going to make things very complex.

Maybe they are following the pattern which is apparent in 'Realm of the Red Ape' which has the two large outdoor enclosures. I have only seen it once(so far) but would I be mistaken by suggesting these outdoor enclosures are in fact very underused and therefore that two of them are rather unnecessary?
 
I dont understand why people would oppose the project!? Sure the building work may go on for a few years but the added employment opportunities and economic benefits must surely outweigh this?:confused:

I bet if it was in someone elses backyard they would have a more positive opinion on the project.

The same can be applied to housing, the government and public always bangs on that more housing is needed but as soon as a development is planned down the road people are up in arms about it.

I only wish my local zoo (drusillas) would have such exciting plans, the people of chester dont realise how lucky they are, they have projects like this to look forwards to and about all i have is a new slide or a see saw or something similar!;)
 
Am confused by this because am sure Simon Mann explained at the meeting that there was only one hotel being planned. :confused:
I was at the recent meeting and cannot recall Simon mentioning any more than one hotel. However, the plans submitted for approval are for the first phase of "Natural Vision", essentially the new access way, changes to the entrance, one hotel (on the current main route into the zoo) and Heart of Africa. There may be suggestions of additional hotels in future phases, but those phases are totally fluid at the moment and certainly haven't been submitted for planning approval.

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Quite frankly, I find Laura Jones' headline "People power helps to scrap Chester rainforest plan" to be utterly ridiculous, the plan hasn't been scrapped, no part of the changes actually involve "the rainforest" part (presumably what she means is the bio-dome itself) and all the people I talk to are wholly in favour of this phase. These "people" with the "power" are a small minority of vocal Upton residents, and while they may each have individual, legitimate objections - as well as some pretty stupid and misinformed ones - they should not be allowed to bias any planning outcome in an unrepresentative way.
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I was interested in this point as the more enclosures there are, the more space will be taken up with fencing, moats or whatever other dividing barriers are to be used. I can see the need for 'doubling up' on indoor accomodation from management needs, but am rather surprised each major species is planned to have more than one outdoor enclosure. From an exhibit point of view this is going to make things very complex.

Maybe they are following the pattern which is apparent in 'Realm of the Red Ape' which has the two large outdoor enclosures. I have only seen it once(so far) but would I be mistaken by suggesting these outdoor enclosures are in fact very underused and therefore that two of them are rather unnecessary?

I think this is a very interesting point, because it reveals some of the new thinking about zoo design.
As I said in a previous post in this thread, the basic pattern is 2 indoor and 2 outdoor enclosures for each group, plus 'oversized' off-show areas (in relation to current standards). Obviously this is an expensive option, but it does allow greater flexibility than the old 'circle of three' (indoor exhibit, outdoor exhibit and den).
This design will simplify introductions and separations, particularly important as many of the plans are for mixed species exhibits. It also allows for replanting and regrowth for the vegetation in the enclosures. This is one of the features of RotRA, where the vegetation in the outdoor enclosures has remained in good condition in spite of the destructive capabilities of the orangs - I once saw Leia and Sarikei enjoying a thoroughly satisfying 20 minute project when they co-operated to uproot a small but stubborn conifer. The planting of the indoor enclosures has not been such an aesthetic success, but it does give the animals something to do when they can't go outside.
It's easy to think of situations where this would have considerable benefits. If the staff looking after the Twycross bonobos or the Blackpool gorillas or the Edinburgh chimps had as many options today, the welfare of these animals would be improved. This is not a criticism of these situations, which will only be temporary; it is a commendation of plans that will make it easier to manage such problems in the future.

Alan
 
In addition to Alan's points, Chester may have also learnt from the way their rhinos are kept. Tim Rowlands explained to us how beneficial and successful it was to be able to rotate animals through enclosures, and to provide individuals, pairs or mothers and calves time away from each other. This is only possible with multiple, connected paddocks.
 
From what's said above I can see how the extra outdoor enclosures will be ideal from an Animal management point of view and how beneficial they have been on several counts where they are being used at Chester already.

But will this concept therefore lead to a situation where 'every other' outside enclosure in HOA will be 'resting'? No problem for me but general visitors might be a bit frustrated by the number of vacant enclosures.
 
But will this concept therefore lead to a situation where 'every other' outside enclosure in HOA will be 'resting'? No problem for me but general visitors might be a bit frustrated by the number of vacant enclosures.

I gather the concept will be that it wont be like you are looking into different paddocks, so that when you walk around you feel like you are looking at the same area but in reality its a completely different paddock.

If its not, that how I would try and design it.
 
I gather the concept will be that it wont be like you are looking into different paddocks, so that when you walk around you feel like you are looking at the same area but in reality its a completely different paddock.
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Okay, I can see how they might do that with clever landscaping, perhaps by using hidden ditches in the 'Hagenbeck' style.. It means the animals would perhaps be either closer, or further way depending on which paddock they were using but I can see how it could work..
 
- Serious concerns remain about zoo's biodome project

And I qoute from the Article "Among their objections, CPRE claim that the development is “inappropriate” for the area. They believe that there would be a substantial loss of grade three agricultural land and they feel that it “would not contribute to the regeneration” of Chester City Centre."

It made me laugh, yet it angers me! :mad:
 
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