Paignton Zoo In poor taste?

[Javan Rhino]

Different people have different thoughts on that matter. I think the majority already know my rather controversial view. When you are a vegetarian and kids think it's funny to lob meat at you, your views become a lot stronger. I was also quite shocked by this video:
YouTube - Broadcast Yourself.

Harry

When I say wrong, I mean against nature. It isn't against nature for an omnivorous species such as Homo sapien to eat meat, so it isn't wrong if you see what I mean. If you were a lion, would you eat nothing but grass because you think it's wrong to kill a zebra (not a snide comment or anything, just trying to show a point-of-view )

 

[Mr T]

I have watched the video and yes it is truely awful BUT this is not how all meat is produced. Again the phrase 'Vegetarian' is used again. Vegetarians still use animals in their diet and are just as 'bad' as meat eaters. Be either a meat eater or a vegan, that is all I'm saying.

 

[Javan Rhino]

I have watched the video and yes it is truely awful BUT this is not how all meat is produced. Again the phrase 'Vegetarian' is used again. Vegetarians still use animals in their diet and are just as 'bad' as meat eaters. Be either a meat eater or a vegan, that is all I'm saying.

In fairness, I know a few vegetarians where it has nothing to do with animal welfare, they just don't like how meat tastes.

 

[Mr T]

In fairness, I know a few vegetarians where it has nothing to do with animal welfare, they just don't like how meat tastes.

I understand what your saying Javan Rhino and totally understand those individuals. I don't like the taste of alcohol so don't drink it, but I would never tell people not to drink it because of the health problems it can cause. Vegetarians who preach about animal suffering need to take a deeper look at the implications of their actions.

 

[Goretex]

But it tastes nice ;p. I'd rather live 50 years on foods I like than 90 years on bland, horrid salads and stuff.
There is a responce ;p

Thanks. Although do you really think this??

Fast food really isn't nice here and I really want thwe outlets to close down!! I mean they're oftern to blame for a great deal of animal cruelty and there not worth it. I'd love to see these places close down. Just be wiped out!!

I have mixed feelings about this place mentioned. If these animals are pests then maybe it is ok for them to be eaten.

BTW I'm not a vegertarian but I really am not a big meat eater. I think salads can potentially make themselves out as quite nice meals. I love avacardoes and cumcubers.

 

[Zooplantman]

When I say wrong, I mean against nature. It isn't against nature for an omnivorous species such as Homo sapien to eat meat, so it isn't wrong if you see what I mean. If you were a lion, would you eat nothing but grass because you think it's wrong to kill a zebra (not a snide comment or anything, just trying to show a point-of-view )

This seems a weak ethical argument. It isn't against nature for homo sapiens to slaughter each other, either. Been doing it for millenia. It is, though, against culture and that is how it is defined as "wrong."
Eat what you please, but don't look to nature for ethical rightness.

 

[Javan Rhino]

Thanks. Although do you really think this??

Fast food really isn't nice here and I really want thwe outlets to close down!! I mean they're oftern to blame for a great deal of animal cruelty and there not worth it. I'd love to see these places close down. Just be wiped out!!

I have mixed feelings about this place mentioned. If these animals are pests then maybe it is ok for them to be eaten.

BTW I'm not a vegertarian but I really am not a big meat eater. I think salads can potentially make themselves out as quite nice meals. I love avacardoes and cumcubers.

Well, I'd rather mix and match and have unhealthy foods and live 90 years ;p. I love the taste of MacDonalds (but don't like any of the others like Burger King and KFC [KFC gave me food poisoning ). I suppose its not that bad, each to their own.

I hate it when people say that 'Fast Food should be closed down because it is unhealthy.' Of course it is, and anybody eating in them knows that. If you want to remain healthy, you just steer clear (or very occasionally treat yourself).

 

[Goretex]

This seems a weak ethical argument. It isn't against nature for homo sapiens to slaughter each other, either. Been doing it for millenia. It is, though, against culture and that is how it is defined as "wrong."
Eat what you please, but don't look to nature for ethical rightness.

Very true. I kind of feel it's a shame people are still eating a lot of meat (especially poor quality) when these days its so easy to eat healthily without meat!

 

[Javan Rhino]

This seems a weak ethical argument. It isn't against nature for homo sapiens to slaughter each other, either. Been doing it for millenia. It is, though, against culture and that is how it is defined as "wrong."
Eat what you please, but don't look to nature for ethical rightness.

Of course there is cultural rightness/wrongness, but I wasn't referring to that when I said it isn't wrong. I was just saying that it is natural for a human to eat meat. I think it is right for me to eat meat since it forms a massive part of my diet, and without it I wouldn't get iron, protein and other nutrients (unless of course I started living on supplements and protein pills).

 

[Gavin123]

Think we need to ask jamie oliver for his opinion!

Personally I think its strange to import meat from Africa, yes the animal may have been killed to maintain sustainable populations and manage reserves however is it right its flown hundreds of miles to end up in Paignton of all places to be eaten by us english?! Surely as an African animal it should therefore be handed to local populations (who probably need it a hell of alot more than a person ticking a list and bleating how 'random' they are! )

 

[Javan Rhino]

Think we need to ask jamie oliver for his opinion!

Personally I think its strange to import meat from Africa, yes the animal may have been killed to maintain sustainable populations and manage reserves however is it right its flown hundreds of miles to end up in Paignton of all places to be eaten by us english?! Surely as an African animal it should therefore be handed to local populations (who probably need it a hell of alot more than a person ticking a list and bleating how 'random' they are! )

Now that I can agree with, but is it any different really from New Zealand lamb or beef from any other country? I agree that, where possible, all meat should be locally sourced.

 

[max]

Ok so a farm shop, in no way connected to Paignton zoo, is selling meat from species you may see on display there.....
So how bad are the catering staff at the Deep, in Hull, where I have sat and eaten FISH and chips in their resturaunt, in the same building as their wonderful aquatic displays?

 

[ZYBen]

Maybe human carnivores are more fun-loving than our vegetarian/vegan rellies?

Yep! I reckon!

 

[johnstoni]

Well, I'd rather mix and match and have unhealthy foods and live 90 years ;p. I love the taste of MacDonalds (but don't like any of the others like Burger King and KFC [KFC gave me food poisoning ). I suppose its not that bad, each to their own.

I think including corporate take-away as part of your balanced diet needs a little more consideration:
McDonald?s Food Doesn?t Break Down Over Time?

As for the argument that antelope meat is imported, this is definitely an issue in terms of air miles, but then there are many communities in the UK that have a diet reliant on a number of foods that aren't produced in this climate (I'm not talking about antelope meat), what I actually feel is an issue is when meat from sheep, cattle or pigs is flown over oceans to be sold here; not only does it waste fuel, it also undermines UK farming. Much as I would like everyone to convert to a diet of tofu omelettes and hemp protein shakes, (I realise that's not going to happen) the UK livestock farming community deserves to be protected from the supermarkets.

I have mixed feelings about ranching antelope species in sub-saharan African countries. It is mostly done by white landowners and I don't accept the argument that, if it wasn't for them, many African ungulates would now be extinct, I think that is a simplistic view and equates post colonialism on that continent with somehow a necessity to protect the environment from inidigenous populations who are then percieved as incapable of any kind of stewardship of it.

 

[bazzoobuilder]

Now that I can agree with, but is it any different really from New Zealand lamb or beef from any other country? I agree that, where possible, all meat should be locally sourced.

Doesn’t that mean that the Zebra and Bison stakes should have come from Paignton zoo?

Sorry just had to

 

[RowanGreen]

LOL

Though if there are surplus wallabies/whatever else breeds like rabbits that end up being euthanized, maybe it would be better if they got eaten? (Or do the lions get them?)

FYI for whoever it was who was saying they'd rather eat stuff that's been shot: I think farmed deer in the uk are generally shot in the field. Pheasant are also generally shot (I've had lead shot in a pheasant from Sainsubury's). I don't know about bison, ostrich etc that are kept in the UK, but I guess it may well be the case for them to.

 

[Gavin123]

Im still not convinced by the 'carnivores' on this one regarding the eating of this list of animals.

I personally do eat meat, however only domesticated animals, and this is where I draw my line. I personally could not eat deer or anyform of wild animal as the image of a mighty stag running across a field would spring to mind, I guess its out of a form of respect to such beautiful animals.

However you can argue a cow, pig or chicken is also beautiful (or some might) but mentally im able to accept that they are bred for consumption and have been domesticated for hundreds if not thousands of years for this very purpose.

With regards to my arguemnet about mentally drawing a line, I wonder how many 'carnivores' on here would feel happy about eating an elephant that had been shot dead for conservation purposes?

 

[Javan Rhino]

MacDonalds is not healthy, but I think it tastes nice. Just a weekly treat

 

[Indlovu]

A few of my 'points'

I just thought I'd 'throw these in'. Do point out to me if I'm wrong.

@'It's natural'
People always tell me that humans were made to eat meat. Slightly more intelligent people say that most primates eat meat, and lions eat meat, tigers eat meat etc...
But I've always wondered is the amount humans consume natural? I'd make a guess that Humans consume more meat than any other primate. We also consume meat more often than many carnivorous species (but a human eats less in one 'sitting')
@Vegetarians are supporting the meat industry
But are they? If nobody, or few people, ate meat then the meat industry would be much smaller.

Harry

 

[Javan Rhino]

I just thought I'd 'throw these in'. Do point out to me if I'm wrong.

@'It's natural'
People always tell me that humans were made to eat meat. Slightly more intelligent people say that most primates eat meat, and lions eat meat, tigers eat meat etc...
But I've always wondered is the amount humans consume natural? I'd make a guess that Humans consume more meat than any other primate. We also consume meat more often than many carnivorous species (but a human eats less in one 'sitting')
@Vegetarians are supporting the meat industry
But are they? If nobody, or few people, ate meat then the meat industry would be much smaller.

Harry

I agree there, we do eat alot, and the industry would decline if everybody was vegetarian. At the end of the day though, meat eating is about choices. I respect people being vegetarian, so long as vegetarians respect my choice to eat meat. At the end of the day, it is only fair.