ZSL London Zoo Memories of London Zoo (and whipsnade)

Lakshmi?

But they did import several young ones, if i remember correctly...

The elephant baby that Bongorob saw could have been Lakshmi, but without checking an elephant database I can't remember whether she arrived at London as a calf or as a larger animal. Lakshmi was the 'main' elephant exhibited during the 1960's/70's along with the African female 'Dicksie', who 'fell' into the moat and died. Its thought 'Lakshmi' gave her a helping push.. Dicksie's position was later filled by the illfated 'PolePole' given(?) to the zoo by the McKennas. Later her stereotyped behaviour and seemingly unhappy state caused them to set up 'ZooCheck' and the Born Free foundation..
Pole Pole was put down, but Lakshmi was eventually sent away to another zoo- possibly Rotterdam- around the time the younger Asian females arrived at London and Whipsnade.
 
I remember PolePole's story...

She was the movie elephant that was going to be put down (because she could not be released back into the wild and lacked the neccessary training for a zoo environment) until the zoo eventually offered her a home. Unfortunately, she was too agressive with London's elephants and was sent to Whipsnade and it was hoped that the more mature Asian elephants would provide her with a herd environment and set a better example, behaviour-wise... it didn't quite work... :(
 
The elephants did indeed go down a ramp. Their indoor quarters were used as a bomb shelter as well at one point...

It was mentioned in a book called Zoo Tails by Oliver Graham-Jones, who was a former vet at the zoo.

Regarding your comment on the hippo house, he apparently had to live next door to it! ;)

I seem to remember you came through the tunnel (the one near the main entrance) and the elephant enclosure was there on your right- I guess the Clore is built on the site.

The Hippo's pool smell was probably the worst smell I've ever experienced...
London's pair of common Hippo at that time were 'Henry and Belinda' while Whipsnade had 'Neville and Fifi' (or possibly the locations were the other way round :confused:) I don't remember Pigmy Hippo at London then but Whipsnade had them back then too.
 
I remember PolePole's story...
was sent to Whipsnade and it was hoped that the more mature Asian elephants would provide her with a herd environment and set a better example, behaviour-wise... it didn't quite work... :(

Didn't she die (or was euthanased) while being crated for the journey to Whipsnade? She looked to be very distressed in the London House- almost deranged...:(
 
Pertinax, yes she did. There was an accident and she ended up on her back and broke her spine if I remember correctly...

It is mentioned in the book i mentioned earlier, i think, or it may have been in the 'The Zoo' (it has a picture of a lemur on the cover...)
 
Pertinax, yes she did. There was an accident and she ended up on her back and broke her spine if I remember correctly...

It is mentioned in the book i mentioned earlier, i think, or it may have been in the 'The Zoo' (it has a picture of a lemur on the cover...)

I Have both books you mention. The one written by the vet and the one with the zoos history with the Lemur on the front
 
Chi-hi first lived in half of the rockwork circular enclosure near the old clock tower. The other half housed a mixed group of bears. This enclosure disappeared when the Sobell Pavilions were built.

That was her original enclosure. However in the later part of her life she was in the Deer and Cattle Sheds (I think that was the name) as I described. I presume that when An-An came from Moscow he was housed in the next section. Subsequently, I think there was a male onager or kulan in that section; was his name of Jack?
At that time, or a little later, a maned wolf lived in the pens behind the terrace where people watched the sea-lions; also kept in those pens were grey foxes which were remarkably arboreal. Those pens are still there, holding macaws and the ruffed lemur used in the animal show.
There were more dogs on the other side of the Deer and Cattle sheds, including a bush dog (which was the only one in the UK at the time, I think) and raccoon-like dogs.

Alan
 
I seem to remember you came through the tunnel (the one near the main entrance) and the elephant enclosure was there on your right- I guess the Clore is built on the site.

The Clore is built on the site of the old elephant house.
 
That was her original enclosure. However in the later part of her life she was in the Deer and Cattle Sheds (I think that was the name) as I described. I presume that when An-An came from Moscow he was housed in the next section. Subsequently, I think there was a male onager or kulan in that section; was his name of Jack?
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There were more dogs on the other side of the Deer and Cattle sheds, including a bush dog (which was the only one in the UK at the time, I think) and raccoon-like dogs.

Alan

Chi-Chi. Yes, I did say her 'first' home was the semi- circular enclosure... Most of the Chi Chi postcards were taken in that era. As you said, she did later live (until her death) in the old cattle sheds enclosure which was on the site of the present Lions. It was redesigned for Pandas, and also divided down the middle with a mesh fence to house 'AnAn' on his futile visits.I saw him a number of times, even introduced to 'ChiChi' once. There was a little observation booth at the back for keepers to monitor the pandas' behaviour. After AnAn, the Onager was kept next to her instead- but his name was 'Paul'....;)

Other dogs on the other side included Dingoes and New Guinea Singing Dogs.
 
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The Clore is built on the site of the old elephant house.


I have several postcards showing 'Dicksie' and/or 'Rusty' standing at the moat edge of this enclosure. One or two show the concrete sunshade as well.

The Asian elephant calf you saw I'm really not sure about- I don't ever remember Lakshmi as a small calf- I think the next one was 'Anna' who was tiny when she arrived, but that wasn't till quite a lot later.

I remember buying pellets(?) to feed animals in the original Children's Zoo. There were loads of goats which would all mob anybody holding a paperbag...

Among others, there was a male Lion in the Lion house (also called 'Rusty') which had a big scar on his upper thigh (spear wound?)- he was ''presented by Sir Winston Churchill'
 
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Dicksie's position was later filled by the illfated 'PolePole' given(?) to the zoo by the McKennas. Later her stereotyped behaviour and seemingly unhappy state caused them to set up 'ZooCheck' and the Born Free foundation...

Did they give her to the zoo? There's a massive story complaining about how bad it was for her etc, but isn't it a biot hipocritical (sp?) if they put her there themselves?
 
If they put her in the zoo it's their own bloody fault then isnt it. Again born free and CAPS and the like twisting the facts in their favour
 
Pole Pole

I've now found out the story behind 'PolePole' coming to London. Briefly;she was given as a diplomatic gift by the Kenyan Government, a move which the Travers (sorry, not McKennas) tried to stop. After 'born free' they made another film 'An Elephant called Slowly' (polepole= slowly) in which this elephant calf starred. I don't know if she was already in captivity although the story says she was taken from the wild 'as a gift for London Zoo'- yet she was in the film before she left Africa... After filming presumably it would have been impossible to rehabilitate a small calf like her into the wild so the options for her future were fairly limited anyway.....
 
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It does me too.:confused: Either she was captured to take part in the film, or had already been captured as a gift to go to London Zoo (or perhaps she was really an 'orphan?), and in the interim was used in the film... Either way she ended up being the catalyst for the main anti-zoo Lobby since her death.
 
PolePole was captured for the film, than passed onto the zoo as a gift once it was realised she couldn't be returned to the wild. However the zoo was originally reluctant to take her on as she wasn't "zoo-trained" like the other elephants. (i.e. couldn't be walked or used for rides)
 
Ha! That proves it then, the zoo didnt even want her, so her death should instead be blamed on the bloody McKennas
 
PolePole was captured for the film, than passed onto the zoo as a gift once it was realised she couldn't be returned to the wild. However the zoo was originally reluctant to take her on as she wasn't "zoo-trained" like the other elephants. (i.e. couldn't be walked or used for rides)

If that is the case, the Travers were at least indirectly responsible as they wreen't just acting in this film, they were producing it. I'll bet they never realised what getting a baby elephant to use in their film would later entail.
 
My first visit to London zoo was in the mid 1980's, I don't remember a great deal:

Cotton terraces: all houses were accessible to public, and you could walk down the steps into the antelope houses under the path above (now the hunting dog/ wild pig indoor areas), and see all the species not currently given the outdoor paddock that day as the zoo had many on rotation sharing one outdoor yard on different days. The current tapir area was split for lowland tapirs, and vicunas/ llama & Alpaca (depending on the day). The other side of this house had a moated camel area, and the back paddock (still used for Arabian gazelle) was visible through the bars and held przewalski horse and zebra. The giraffes had a third less space due to the camel area and dividing moats. The okapi were next to the giraffes and shared the house. The rear area bookending the horse enclosure held anoa. The current okapi area was split like the llama/tapir area and typically held gaur and American Bison, both breeding when I visited. I remember sizeable numbers of blackbuck, bongo, Roan antelope, addax, greater kudu, and oryx in the lower houses.

Clore: The meerkat area before this still has canadian beavers, the roundhouse still had surplus orang utans, and the otters' old enclosure by the insect house had praire dogs behind it. There were tree kangaroos, galagos, echidnas, tasmanian devils, fennec foxes, margay, Brown Kiwis, and armadillos in the actual clore. Red ruffed lemurs were in the large open air primate space by the black rats. Wombats had the outside space later made into a marmoset enclosure. Parma wallabies lived in the small triangular area later used for mara. Many Brush-tailed porcupines had the bizarre moated complex where they appeared to be able to swim in the moat via access holes underneath the compartments. Three tree shrew species were present.

There were still many crane and goose paddocks on the North Bank, and some tropical birds in the Snowdon, possibly touracos.

The bears had just left the mappins, but there were still herds of Mouflon, some Bighorn and barbary sheep, many Wild boars and the long pool still there in the current bear area held brown and possibly white pelicans.

The southern aviary where the Komodo dragons are now housed had gannets and some of the black-footed penguins.

The stork and ostrich house had long 'runs' on the west side, housing single-wattled and bennett's cassowary, giant tortoise, giant anteater, ostrich, pudu and possibly emu.

The current hippo pool had californian sealions, with weaned young in the old seal pool by the children's zoo.

The last set of Asian elephants had just arrived, Layang-Layang (I forget her current name) was in the animals in action ampitheatre and can't have been more than chest height on her keeper. The hippos were in the pool in the elephant house. There were two adult white rhinoceros.

The old children's zoo had a larger reindeer and mara enclosure where the main pet building is now, plus a nocturnal house with aardvarks, springhares and douracoulis, possibly all sharing one set of enclosures.
The current australia (former camel) house was a row of aviaries housing curlews, pheasants, vulturine guineafowl and possibly some pigeon species.

There was a red panda enclosure by the elephant moat, as well as a circular, open-air pool for cormorants. Orange-rumped agoutis lived in the bottom of the elephant moat.

The cat terraces were very similar, only there were jaguars, leopards, a puma, possibly cheetahs, and african lions. There may have been servals too.

The grey foxes had just left but were still in the brochure, and the 'meet the monkeys'/ anteater area was a very large 'wolf wood', as immortalised in 'Withnail and I'.

There was an extra aviary block for corvids/tropical softbills near to the parrot house, the building still stands today but I think it is a staff parking area now and visitors no longer have access there.

Chia chia and Ching ching(?) the giant pandas were in what is the current gibbon cage, I also remember a 1.1 gorillas in the sobell with a very young infant, also Mandrill, capuchin monkeys, squirrel monkeys, King colobus and pig-tailed macaques.

I remember bateleur eagles and caracara in the old bird of prey aviaries. I also remember quetzal and pygmy falcon in the bird house, though this could have been seven or eight years after the first visit. The old Great Indian hornbill was in an indoor enclosure in this house.
 
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