Auckland Zoo elephant herd now in the works

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Two friends for lonely Auckland elephant :confused:

Two friends for lonely Auckland elephant | Stuff.co.nz

Auckland Zoo's lonely elephant Burma looks set to get two young elephant friends with plans to bring in a herd of elephants appearing to have been scrapped.

A council spokesman said yesterday the plan was to bring in two baby elephants to keep 28-year-old Burma company with a view to breeding the two elephants in the future. Burma is a non-breeding female.

Councillors were informed of the plans for the elephants via a letter on Tuesday, but were told the letter was confidential.

The plan to bring a herd of elephants to the zoo has been controversial.

Last year the former Auckland City Council's arts, culture and recreation committee endorsed a $13 million proposal to enlarge the zoo's existing enclosure to six times its size to take a herd of up to 10 new elephants.

The zoo was in talks with another zoo in Asia to bring a herd over.

The idea to expand the herd was because of fears about the wellbeing of Burma after her companion, Kashin, died in August 2009. The zoo brought in a horse called Cherry to keep Burma company while plans for elephant companions were made.

However its website says: ''the bond and the relationship that was hoped for didn't really progress between Burma and Cherry, so we have decided not to continue having Cherry here at the Zoo''.

Burma is one of only two elephants in New Zealand. The other is Mila the elephant (formerly Jumbo) who was rescued from circus life and now lives at Franklin Zoo.

I suppose when they say 'baby' they mean 'young adults'.
I can see that the quicker they bring in new elephants the better, but I really hope that they still plan on the herd approach, as this would be much better long-term, more likely to be succesful, and probably not significantly more expensive (as the plan to import 2 will still require enlargement of existing enclosure, a new enclosure for the bull, and importation).
 
Animal welfarists are a vindictive black sheep(s) equal to the Taliban in fundamentalist views they wish to bestow on the unsuspecting rest of us. Yuck! :rolleyes:

Do you include Cynthia Moss in that assessment. While I don't think keeping elephants in captivity is wrong in itself, I do have a lot of respect for Ms Moss and don't think she fits the description you stated. :)
 
Nope, I do not.

Having said that there is (alas) a definite grey area with Dr. Moss there. It is no big deal being opinionated, however in science you should get your facts right and leave personally held views just be that. Hence, I do not condone some of her views on elephants in captivity. Also, she biting the hand that feeds her ....
 
Well, it looks like the activists failed! :D

Auckland Zoo - 2011 MEDIA RELEASE - Council says yes to elephant companions for Burma

Auckland Council's Strategy and Finance Committee has voted to approve Auckland Zoo's proposal to acquire two young female Asian elephants.

The vote came after reassurances that the acquisition would come at zero cost to ratepayers and that animal welfare and conservation would remain primary considerations for the Zoo.

The Mayor says the decision is an important step as the new Auckland implements the strategy to become an events capital and a destination rather than a getaway.

"It's also great news for Auckland's children," says Len Brown. "Few of us get the chance to see these wonderful animals in the wild and it's great to be able to experience these wonderful creatures up close in a world class zoo environment."

Strategy and Finance Chair Penny Webster says it's important to note that Aucklanders will be able to benefit from two extra elephants without any negative impact on rates.

"We're pleased that Council has listened to our proposal which confirm the animal welfare conservation and financial safeguards associated with accepting the gift of these elephants," says Regional Facilities Auckland Chairman Sir Don McKinnon.

Auckland Zoo's Director, Jonathan Wilcken says the way is now clear for the Zoo to find a family for Burma.

"The focus for the Zoo now is to find two suitable young elephants from abroad that will be compatible with Burma," Mr Wilcken said.

"The process of bringing them here is likely to be lengthy and could take several months."

"Once the right pair are found, they will have to undergo a quarantine programme in their country of origin. Then, accompanied by a small team of elephant specialists they'll be sent by air to the island of Niue for further medical checks and quarantine procedures before coming to Auckland."

On arrival at Auckland Zoo, the new elephants will be gradually introduced to Burma, allowing her to establish herself as the head of the group.

Mr Wilcken said that leading zoos like Auckland Zoo that have elephants, work together to actively help protect and conserve Asian elephants in the wild.

"Auckland Zoo supports habitat protection in Sumatra's Bukit Tigapuluh National Park where the elephant population has increased from an estimated 40 to 140 elephants."

The two new young elephants are likely to arrive at Auckland Zoo in the second half of next year.
 
I wonder where these two young females would come from? These two animals will become another great addition to the Australasian breeding program, and hopefully a bull can be acquired to breed from them, but most importantly, Burma will get company from a fellow elephant for at least a few years.

Or maybe Auckland doesn't need to source a male from overseas? Maybe an Aussie born male will join them in a few years time to become the lead breeding bull in New Zealand? Who knows, but all the best to Auckland.
 
I wonder where these two young females would come from?

They are coming from a refuge in Sri Lanka.

As for the bull, that would be a long-term plan, but would probably happen eventually. The current plan does not require any changes to the exhibit, just minor modification to the indoor housing. A bull will require another exhibit to be built, while further females would need extensions to the exhibit.
 
Nope, I do not.

Having said that there is (alas) a definite grey area with Dr. Moss there. It is no big deal being opinionated, however in science you should get your facts right and leave personally held views just be that. Hence, I do not condone some of her views on elephants in captivity. Also, she biting the hand that feeds her ....

I understand what you are saying.
I hope that the two new females will breed and provide the starting piont for a new herd. Certainly there are a couple of young males here who could be a future NZ stud bull
 
They are coming from a refuge in Sri Lanka

Why is that? (Every?) elephant in Australia is of the mainland sub-species, so wouldn't it be hybridising two different sub-species. And aren't there enough Thai logging elephants left for Auckland to import......
 
Are they sure that the import will go through?! There have been so, so many tries to import elephants from both African and Asia in the last years, from countries who have much less strict quarantine laws then NZ, and at least half of these efforts - if not more - failed. And those that go through take at least twice as much time then planned. I don`t think it`s the best for Burma to keep her all alone for ANOTHER year, let alone (much) more.

I neither agree that they plan to bring in 2 young elephants without changes in the enclosure and without having built a bull facility. Everyone who knows a little bit about zoos knows what will likely happen in such a case - the bull facility will be delayed, more delayed, and one or two decades later the 2 formerly young females will be too old to breed. Or they will resume to AI, which may be in the best interest of zoos who want to breed elephants, but not in the interest of the elephants themselves....

This is bad news, exept for those who are happy with zoo aka "collections" exhibiting elephants like museum artefacts.
 
Or they will resume to AI, which may be in the best interest of zoos who want to breed elephants, but not in the interest of the elephants themselves....

But some zoos need to do AI as their bulls do not know how to mate properly. Take for instance the bull at Melbourne Zoo, Bong Su, who does not know how to mount the females as he wasn't kept with more than one female (who was too old to breed) for many years. All of his 3 offspring were conceived by AI, and are very genetically valuable as both parents are wild caught.
 
Why is that? (Every?) elephant in Australia is of the mainland sub-species, so wouldn't it be hybridising two different sub-species. And aren't there enough Thai logging elephants left for Auckland to import......

How does the sub-species thing work? How actually different are the Mainland to the Sri Lankan subspecies? Is is the equvilent of an American American having a child with an Caucasian?
 
But some zoos need to do AI as their bulls do not know how to mate properly. Take for instance the bull at Melbourne Zoo, Bong Su, who does not know how to mount the females as he wasn't kept with more than one female (who was too old to breed) for many years. All of his 3 offspring were conceived by AI, and are very genetically valuable as both parents are wild caught.

yes but AI results in a surplus of male elephants, ( probably because the insemination occurs right when the female is ovulating giving the chance for male sperm to fertilize the egg first) To my knowledge, Mali at Melbourne zoo and Daizy at Albequerque zoo in the USA are the only female Asian Elephant calves produced by AI.
 
How does the sub-species thing work? How actually different are the Mainland to the Sri Lankan subspecies? Is is the equvilent of an American American having a child with an Caucasian?

Sri lanka would be the best option over the Indonesian sub species. Pinnewala breeds loads of elephants. It's a huge tourist attraction and is run by the government so obtaining captive bred elephants and proving they are captive bred will be easy compared to the Thai issues. While I was there with an elephant vet there was talk of them needing to construct another property ( a reserve style area, to allow them to keep breeding but to have somewhere to go. Wild orphans are generally taken to one of the elephant transit homes for reintroduction to the wild.

Some Sri lankan elephants have more pink on them then mainland elephants but being so close to India, the differences aren't as obvious as with the Indonesian sub species. So maybe it's close enough is good enough.
 
The Debate Continues...

Or rather, the critics winge and the zoo responds:

Zoo staunch on elephant ambitions - national | Stuff.co.nz

Auckland Zoo is under fire for a decision to bring two juvenile elephants to provide company for its remaining elephant, Burma. Sarah Harvey reports.

There's an elephant in the room at Auckland Zoo, and it's not Burma, the lonely last pachyderm.

It's the anger of the international conservation lobby and the New Zealand SPCA, who have attacked the zoo's plans to import two more elephants as part of an international breeding programme.

The critics see it as cruel entertainment, and have doubts about practices at the elephant orphanage in Sri Lanka where the new ones are likely to come from. One expert says Burma should be sent somewhere else.

But the zoo says it has the facilities to offer the new arrivals a great life.

Burma has been alone since 2009 when longtime favourite Kashin died at the age of 40. An attempt to use a horse to keep her company did not succeed, and an earlier attempt to import an elephant also failed when the animal became violent in quarantine in Thailand.

But at the end of last month the Auckland Council agreed to loan the zoo $3.2 million to bring in two elephants.

Auckland Zoo director Jonathan Wilcken said the critics have mostly not come to see the good work the zoo is doing in this area.

"It is very different from a traditional zoo elephant programme. It is very different from what we used to do here 20 years ago. We give our elephants a lot more space, we have a great deal more understanding of their behavioural needs and indeed their social needs."

The zoo recently had a visit from US-based Alan Roocroft, who is internationally recognised as being an expert in managing elephants.

"He has been glowing in his assessment both of our current programme and its potential to grow," Wilcken said.

But more than 20 international conservationists, and our own SPCA, have spoken out at what they see as a cruel practice. SPCA chief executive Bob Kerridge said he believed the elephant programme was a money-making venture and was a departure from the zoo's otherwise good conservation programme.

"You have to question why they are doing it. Are they doing it for the sake of the animals? Is the reason for doing it to get people through the gate? If that's the case, it's not a good reason.

"Zoos, and Auckland Zoo in particular, have moved in the direction of conservation rather than a place of entertainment where you see animals in captivity. That is one of the reasons so many zoos are getting rid of their elephants because they are aware of the fact that this is not right for the animal."

London Zoo sent its three elephants to a private venue in 2001, ending a 170-year tradition. Other zoos to transfer their elephants elsewhere include Philadelphia, Detroit, and, just last month, Toronto.

Wilcken said more than 2000 facilities in about 110 countries still hold elephants.

It has not yet been confirmed where Auckland's will come from, although one suggestion is the Pinnawela Elephant Orphanage in Sri Lanka. Wilcken said this is "only one of the options we are looking at".

Norway-based Joyce Poole, co-founder of an elephant research, conservation and education organisation, said the elephants from Pinnawela were not necessarily orphans needing a home. "Some of these elephants at Pinnawela have been captured from the wild, some of them have been born there, it's not very well managed. I have heard that the elephants are quite thin there and I have heard that baby elephants are taken away from their mothers to be given away to temples.

"My personal opinion is that Burma should go to another place where there are other elephants rather than bringing more elephants into a place that is not great for them."

Wilcken said he was "confident both the programme that we offer, the way in which we manage elephants and the sort of facilities we have to offer them, will give elephants a great life".

- Sunday Star Times
 
Monday night's My House My Castle episode has something to do with Auckland Zoo getting elephants. TV2 at 8pm on Monday the 13th of June
 
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