Adelaide Zoo Tiger intro imminent
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Kemiri is the first cub of Shiva (of the original Sumatran pair at Taronga - Nico x Meta) and Seletan (from Melbourne Zoo - Frank x Poetry), born in November 1994 and sent to Adelaide in 1996?
she is the full sister to triplet brothers Juara, Dougall and Ramalon.
seamuschimp
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they have a new female , Assiqua from Taronga Zoo and last year they recieved a male named Tuan from Germany. I think they are planning on breeding these two.
What species are you talking about?
are you sure? adelaide doesn't keep snow leopards, i think you mean tigers?
also, the german male coming to/at sydney, is he unrelated to the adelaide male or are they father and son? i think zoonooz mentioned that the would-be taronga male was the son of the adelaide male.
It still seems strange to me that there are three potential breeding female snow leopards and that the same male will be bred to two of them. This then decreases the potentials founders as it means that many of the cubs born ion the region will be brothers and sisters. Wouldn't it have been better to have an unrelated male at Melbourne and breed their cubs with the Taronga or Mogo cubs. Three zoos full of siblings will not a breeding program make.
This comment I don't particularly like. Not so much the idea that we don't know what we are talking about nessecarily but the implication that we shouldn't discuss/disagree with something simply because we are not the 'priviliged' ones. By all means enlighten us and correct us if we are wrong but don't try to censor.
pLeona and Samra have bred, that's fine and is not the problem but considering the cost of importing animals into the region, considering how many times, ZooPro for instance has informed us of the nessicity of creating viable regional breeding programs, creating one bloodline within the first generation of breeding would only create the nessicity of constantly bringing in new blood every generation. There are three potential unrelated bloodlines in the region, this would mean that two generations could be born before the need for further importations.
The sumatran tigers are a prime example of what is likely to happen. All thye tigers in New Zealand and Australia are either descended from or mated to descendants of athe original pair from Taronga. (The recent imports at Australia zoo being the excemption) This means that every time a new generation is needed new blood needs to be brought in from Europe or North America. This could be avoided for several years with just one new male.
The sumatran tigers are a prime example of what is likely to happen. All thye tigers in New Zealand and Australia are either descended from or mated to descendants of athe original pair from Taronga. (The recent imports at Australia zoo being the excemption) This means that every time a new generation is needed new blood needs to be brought in from Europe or North America. This could be avoided for several years with just one new male.
The zoos need a lot of judgement. I love zoos, I love visiting them and for me it is the only way that I am likely to see exotic species. However - and this a big BUT - zoos or their programs should not be excempt from criticism, especially from those who are not insiders. Zoos conservation work is based on a shaky foundation. Yes they do many wonderful funding and great work but lets not kid ourselves - the number of animal species saved by zoos are small.
Zoos like all organisations need constant criticism to keep them improving themselves, otherwise they will become slack and try to get away with all sorts of things.
I am now borderline anti zoos simply because they all could do so much better. Recent discussions about bears, small cats at Melbourne and so on have shown how, for even small amounts of money could improve things for the animals.
Back to snow leopards, you still haven't shown me how decreasing the potential male founders from three to two is a positive thing.
Zoos like all organisations need constant criticism to keep them improving themselves, otherwise they will become slack and try to get away with all sorts of things.
I am now borderline anti zoos simply because they all could do so much better. Recent discussions about bears, small cats at Melbourne and so on have shown how, for even small amounts of money could improve things for the animals.
Back to snow leopards, you still haven't shown me how decreasing the potential male founders from three to two is a positive thing.