Wild wolf makes its way to California!

I'm pretty sure that he will be okay as he is being watched by government biologists. If he is shot illegally the person is almost certain to be caught.
 
Then that's a smart wolf, if he was in one of the states further north he'd be dead already.
 
Yeah, not only canids, big cats and bears dont fare to well either sadly.

Mountain lions are doing okay in the western U.S. and there are indications that jaguars may slowly be reestablishing in parts of their range. Black bears seem to be holding their own in much of the U.S. Grizzly bears in the continental U.S. are certainly in need of continuous conservation love.

Wolves have staged a spectacular recovery in parts of the U.S. and hopefully are reestablishing themselves on the west coast. I suspect that they will be treated well in California. Some of these states like Idaho and Wyoming are a real problem as you indicate in that there is very much an anti-predator lobby there.
 
The problem they were having in Idaho is they introduced back the larger canadian grey wolf instead of the native timber wolf.
 
Is there a difference between the timber wolf and the Canadian wolf?
 
Mountain lions are doing okay in the western U.S. and there are indications that jaguars may slowly be reestablishing in parts of their range. Black bears seem to be holding their own in much of the U.S. Grizzly bears in the continental U.S. are certainly in need of continuous conservation love.

Wolves have staged a spectacular recovery in parts of the U.S. and hopefully are reestablishing themselves on the west coast. I suspect that they will be treated well in California. Some of these states like Idaho and Wyoming are a real problem as you indicate in that there is very much an anti-predator lobby there.

I think that one of the problems with wolves is that they howl. I remember being at Port Lympne once some twenty years ago and the wolves (who are kept high on a wooded escarpment) felt the need to get musical. I was on my own about a mile away and for a split second there was a very credible illusion that they were loose. It was an electrifying moment, and it did make me understand why people find them so scary.
 
Is there a difference between the timber wolf and the Canadian wolf?

I don't think that there are differences. The Canadian wolves introduced were the closest thing (probably the same thing) to what had been eliminated from the Yellowstone and Idaho ecosystems.
 
North American canid taxonomy is highly confusing. Definitely 2 species maybe up to 4 of Canis.
 
Wikipedia describes "timber wolf" as "Any subspecies of Canis lupus, the Gray wolf, which inhabits forested areas", which would include the Canadian wolf. I don't think that "timber wolf" really maps onto subspecies other than to describe where the animals live (i.e., forests).

For anybody interested the California Department of Fish and Game now has a wolf website with interesting info on the history and possible future of wolves in California. It includes this very interesting report/policy document on what California should do if wolves show up, which they now have. It includes much interesting info on wolf taxonomy, biology, and management history in the U.S. If you like wolves it's a really good read: http://www.dfg.ca.gov/wildlife/nongame/wolf/docs/Gray_Wolf_Report_2012.pdf

Here's the CDFG wolf website: http://www.dfg.ca.gov/wildlife/nongame/wolf/docs/Gray_Wolf_Report_2012.pdf
 
The problem they were having in Idaho is they introduced back the larger canadian grey wolf instead of the native timber wolf.

This is a line of nonsense that the anti-wolf lobby likes to throw around. Here is the real story.

Traditionally, Idaho's wolves were considered to be the subspecies irremotus according to the Goldman taxonomy. The population of wolves in Canada that the Idaho transplants were drawn from were considered to be the subspecies occidentalis.

Since then, wolf taxonomy has been revised and irremotus is now included in nubilis, the subspecies currently found in Minnesota. The subspecies nubilis ranged across much of the western United States and into Canada where it bordered the range of occidentalis. At the boundaries of subspecies there is often quite a bit of integration and hybridization. The nubilis wolves living in Minnesota have quite a bit of genetics in common with another population, lycaon which may in fact be a completely different species. So it is in fact more likely that the "original" Idaho wolves had more in common with occidentalis than they did with nubilis from Minnesota.

But the proof is in the pudding, as they say. The crux of the argument put forth by the anti-wolfers is that the "Canadian" gray wolves are "larger and more aggressive" than "native" Idaho wolves were. This argument doesn't seem to hold up, because in Idaho's 2009 wolf hunt, 188 wolves were "harvested" and the average weight of these animals came in at under 100 lbs.
 
You mean that darn thing hasn't been shot yet. Those California hunters are just off their game.





(This is a completely snide remark)
 
You mean that darn thing hasn't been shot yet. Those California hunters are just off their game.





(This is a completely snide remark)
 
You mean that darn thing hasn't been shot yet. Those California hunters are just off their game.

California enacted a hunting ban on mountain lions, so I'm pretty sure that consensus would be that wolves back in the state are a good thing. Woe to any hunter that takes out the wolf. An idiot shot a California condor a few years back and authorities were seriously concerned about the hunter's safety.
 
California enacted a hunting ban on mountain lions, so I'm pretty sure that consensus would be that wolves back in the state are a good thing. Woe to any hunter that takes out the wolf. An idiot shot a California condor a few years back and authorities were seriously concerned about the hunter's safety.

David, if California can inact such a ban for mountain lions why do other states still consider it ok to shoot them? Same goes for wolves, bears, lynx, bobcats.........?
 
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