Kony 2012

nanoboy

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Anyone following this story?

Personally, I am not sure why this is such a big deal, given that child soldiers have been around for as long as there have been wars; anyone who watched the movie "Blood Diamond" would have been exposed to child soldiers in Africa. :rolleyes:

I wonder if we can generate interest for animals that are on the verge of extinction in a similar manner? Probably not....
 
I don't think you can. People are inherently more interested in the plight of other people as opposed to animals. Unless those animals are dogs. If you had an endangered domestic dog then people would be all over that.
 
Anyone following this story?

Personally, I am not sure why this is such a big deal, given that child soldiers have been around for as long as there have been wars; anyone who watched the movie "Blood Diamond" would have been exposed to child soldiers in Africa. :rolleyes:

ARE YOU SERIOUS?!?!?! Children should never be used as soldiers and it is good that they keep trying to stop more of it.
 
ARE YOU SERIOUS?!?!?! Children should never be used as soldiers and it is good that they keep trying to stop more of it.

Absolutely, 100% serious. I read too much Newsweek, Time, National Geographic, BBC, CNN etc to be shocked by this. I think the campaign is pitched to ignorant tweens that would say "oh no! I can't believe this stuff happens. Like, no way. We should like do something, n stuff."

I agree that using child soldiers and child-sex-slavery are totally wrong. But I am merely voicing my surprise that the campaign has received so much publicity, given that the problem has been around for thousands of years - and it has definitely been a massive problem in post-independence Africa during all their civil wars. I believe that the Old Testament mentioned similar use of children as war collateral - of course, they made sure to check that the girls were virgins before they abducted them though. ;)
 
interesting article on it here:
Storm over viral campaign to arrest Uganda's Kony - Yahoo!7
9 March 2012

A viral campaign to bring accused Ugandan war criminal Joseph Kony to justice has sparked a growing storm, with millions viewing an online video whose makers deny it oversimplifies the facts.

The hashtag "#stopkony," about the fugitive head of the Lord's Resistance Army rebel group, has surged on Twitter and a 30-minute video has been viewed by over 40 million people in barely three days.

The White House has praised the campaign, while a string of celebrities have weighed in by tweeting links to the emotional video, "Kony2012," and promoting the initiative by California-based non-profit group Invisible Children.

"Here's the biggest problem. Do you wanna know what it is? Nobody knows who he is. He's not famous. He is invisible," said the documentary's maker Jason Russell. "Here is how we are going to make him visible."

The film has triggered a growing wave of support from the rich, famous and influential. "Good to see such strong interest in #stopkony - a key step to helping those most vulnerable," tweeted Microsoft boss Bill Gates.

"Dear Joseph Kony, I'm Gonna help Make you FAMOUS! We will stop YOU #StopKONY ! All 6,OOO,OOO of my followers RT NOW Pls!" hip-hop icon and fashion mogul Sean "P Diddy" Combs said on his Twitter feed @iamdiddy.

White House spokesman Jay Carney recalled that President Barack Obama announced in October he was sending some 100 military advisors to help Uganda and neighboring countries hunt down Kony, as part of a wider response.

"And I think that this viral video .. is part of that response -- raising awareness about the horrific activities of the LRA," Carney added.

But the Stop Kony campaign has not been without controversy.

The group has been criticized for using funds raised -- some 70% or more by some accounts -- for salaries, travel expenses and filmmaking. Watchdog Charity Navigator gave it a low two-star rating for lack of financial accountability.

Others question the timing of the campaign -- coming six years after Kony and a diminished army of several hundred fighters left Uganda -- a fact mentioned in passing halfway through the 30-minute film.

"Why now? What does it profit to market the infamy of a man already famous for his crimes and whose capture is already on the agenda?" Ugandan writer Angelo Izama wrote on his blog.

"To call the campaign a misrepresentation is an understatement," he added.

"While it draws attention to the fact that Kony, indicted for war crimes by the International Criminal Court in 2005, is still on the loose, its portrayal of his alleged crimes in Northern Uganda are from a bygone era."

Responding to the criticism, Invisible Children put a statement on its website saying it had been "publicly denouncing (the) atrocities" of the LRA since they left Uganda in 2006.

And it denied oversimplifying the facts, saying: "In our quest to garner wide public support of nuanced policy, Invisible Children has sought to explain the conflict in an easily understandable format."

To this end the campaign has focused "on the core attributes of LRA leadership that infringe upon the most basic of human rights," the group's latest online statement said.

As for its finances, the group, founded in 2003, explained that its Accountability and Transparency score is currently two stars because it does not have independent voting members on its board of directors.

"We currently have four. We are in the process of interviewing potential board members," it said.

Invisible Children also published details of its accounts online, showing that of the 9 million dollars in income last year, mostly from donations, 37 percent went directly into social programs in central Africa.

For the tens of thousands of people who have expressed support after viewing the video, the questions don't appear to be a problem.

"Either way, I support the movement," said a Twitter user with the handle @MDeGuuzzY.
 

I just can't seem to wrap my head around how it became an internet sensation. Doesn't anyone read? In Obama's 2009 speech in Africa (Ghana, I think), he basically said that Africa needs to stop blaming colonial powers for arbitrary borders, because it doesn't explain things like child soldiers. That was 3 years ago. Blood Diamond was released in 2006! There are another 100 warlords in another dozen countries in Africa, and it has been that way for as long as I can remember myself. And not just in Africa - South America and Asia are not immune. How on earth did Kony, and old story, go viral? What's the next viral campaign? Starvation in the Horn of Africa - I watched Live Aid back in 1985!!

jbnbsn99 made a good point about where our interests lie. Sad.

How about if we made a short film on the plight of tigers? We could talk about how many there were 100 years ago, how many there are now, why they are on the verge of extinction, and what YOU can do to help.

I say we focus on the demand of tigers' body parts in China and South East Asia, and get some hidden camera footage of body parts being openly sold in markets. Then maybe we can get some more footage of the upper echelons of the Communist Party enjoying wine made from tiger bones. For the Oscar tear-jerk moment, we would have stills or video of tigers being poached, as well as tigers living in horrid conditions in Chinese tiger farms.

We could get some celebrity backing from Leonardo DiCaprio and Vladimir Putin - they both seem to like tigers - and we would surely go viral!

So, who's with me? :)
 
The basic problem is that the public is outraged for a short while, the story gets on all the front papers, and then it disappears to - for example- page 3, and people forget about it.

I think that the problem in the western world is that we feel guilty about everything. Africs has been colonized in the past, that's true, but it doesn't give them an excuse to keep murdering eachother. Still we believe that it's our fault they keep doing that.

We have been giving a lot of money for over forty years, but it hasn't solved anything, it has worsened the problem. Still, it's an almost undebatable subject. Common sense is out of the picture when it comes to debating this.

The western world has used african slaves, but has abolished slavery, and we have apologized. The arab world hasn't abolished it at all, and hasn't even apologized. The funny thing is that they have captured and traded more slaves than us, still we choose to believe we have done more wrong than they have, it's even unthinkable to point a finger at them about their role in history!

Yeah, I think it's clear I am getting your point;)
 
The basic problem is that the public is outraged for a short while, the story gets on all the front papers, and then it disappears to - for example- page 3, and people forget about it.

I think that the problem in the western world is that we feel guilty about everything. Africs has been colonized in the past, that's true, but it doesn't give them an excuse to keep murdering eachother. Still we believe that it's our fault they keep doing that.

We have been giving a lot of money for over forty years, but it hasn't solved anything, it has worsened the problem. Still, it's an almost undebatable subject. Common sense is out of the picture when it comes to debating this.

The western world has used african slaves, but has abolished slavery, and we have apologized. The arab world hasn't abolished it at all, and hasn't even apologized. The funny thing is that they have captured and traded more slaves than us, still we choose to believe we have done more wrong than they have, it's even unthinkable to point a finger at them about their role in history!

Yeah, I think it's clear I am getting your point;)

So what do you think about the tiger documentary? Will you send me a donation? :D
 
Anyone following this story?

Personally, I am not sure why this is such a big deal, given that child soldiers have been around for as long as there have been wars; anyone who watched the movie "Blood Diamond" would have been exposed to child soldiers in Africa. :rolleyes:

I wonder if we can generate interest for animals that are on the verge of extinction in a similar manner? Probably not....

I think that there have been pre-Internet periods where wildlife conservation issues have gone "viral". Two that come to mind are the "save the whales" period when Greenpeace and others were actively interfering with whaling boats and there was a sustained campaign to stop whaling.

There was also a period in the late 1980s when African elephant poaching was at a fever pitch and there was a "don't buy ivory" campaign spearheaded by African Wildlife Foundation and others. This message also got transmitted through zoos. It culminated in the ivory ban that is still more-or-less (increasingly less) intact today and probably did help East African elephant populations from probable extirpation.

To answer your question I think that a wildlife conservation campaign could go viral, but you need a very clear message and action that you want people to take. To me an equally important, maybe more important, issue is how can you build a sustained wildlife conservation movement for some species like tigers where the meaningful action that the average person can take is not clear. How do we figure out something meaningful that an average person can do other than send money somewhere? I'm trying to figure that out for giraffes. No easy answers.
 
I think that there have been pre-Internet periods where wildlife conservation issues have gone "viral". Two that come to mind are the "save the whales" period when Greenpeace and others were actively interfering with whaling boats and there was a sustained campaign to stop whaling.

There was also a period in the late 1980s when African elephant poaching was at a fever pitch and there was a "don't buy ivory" campaign spearheaded by African Wildlife Foundation and others. This message also got transmitted through zoos. It culminated in the ivory ban that is still more-or-less (increasingly less) intact today and probably did help East African elephant populations from probable extirpation.

To answer your question I think that a wildlife conservation campaign could go viral, but you need a very clear message and action that you want people to take. To me an equally important, maybe more important, issue is how can you build a sustained wildlife conservation movement for some species like tigers where the meaningful action that the average person can take is not clear. How do we figure out something meaningful that an average person can do other than send money somewhere? I'm trying to figure that out for giraffes. No easy answers.

Great point. I forgot about those campaigns. So there have indeed been conservation viral campaigns before the internet age - but imagine how much more coverage we could get now with Twitter and Facebook.

You have raised an excellent point about how to get people involved in a cause that does not involve them simply donating money. I suppose that in any marketing campaign, you have to figure out who your target is. In the case of tigers, ask yourself what are the major reasons for tigers being killed.

If we isolate one reason, for the sake of discussion, then maybe we can build a campaign around that. So, the trade in tiger body parts is a massive problem in Asia - why not target that audience? Target the younger generation in these countries and educate them about tiger wine and bear bile etc. Equate distancing one's self from these practices as being the young, hip, trendy, first-world thing to do.

I understand that there has been a massive shift in China from eating dogs, to keeping them as pets. The perception, I understand, of the emerging middle-class, is that only country bumpkins and elderly or uneducated people eat dogs, but the more refined, status-oriented younger generation frowns upon it, and sees dogs as pets. This is the kind of paradigm shift that I think could happen with education.

Thus, the solution that I am proposing, does not involve people donating money: it involves 2 billion people saying no tiger wine, bear bile, and shark fins for me please.
 
Anyone following this story?

Personally, I am not sure why this is such a big deal, given that child soldiers have been around for as long as there have been wars; anyone who watched the movie "Blood Diamond" would have been exposed to child soldiers in Africa. :rolleyes:

Heard a report on the radio yesterday. It consisted of adults explaining how their children got upset/excited about the film and pushed the parent to get involved (somehow). I find that when speculating about social, cultural or other matters it can help to remember "This isn't about me." There are many people who are not informed or upset about child soldiers. Glad you are ahead of the knowledge curve, but this isn't about you. :cool: If the film wasn't needed, there would be no outcry.

On the list of earlier popular movements for conservation, add "Save the Seals" campaigns and the efforts to curb DDT arising from Rachel Carson's work.
 
Heard a report on the radio yesterday. It consisted of adults explaining how their children got upset/excited about the film and pushed the parent to get involved (somehow). I find that when speculating about social, cultural or other matters it can help to remember "This isn't about me." There are many people who are not informed or upset about child soldiers. Glad you are ahead of the knowledge curve, but this isn't about you. :cool: If the film wasn't needed, there would be no outcry.

That's a great point. No disagreement there. It does make you wonder though: what exactly do people read? Where do they get their info and news? From Facebook? Do we need Facebook campaigns to make people aware of the 16 civilians killed by a rogue soldier in Afghanistan, or the possibility of Israel going to war with Iran, or the global financial crisis, or about the Renaissance or World War 2 etc?

I use the example of my brother: he emigrated to the UK, has a PhD, works at a university, but refuses to read/watch the news. He says he gets all his news from 'The Daily Show with Jon Stewart'. :rolleyes:

Maybe we need to start an internet campaign to get people to read more, and we would solve quite a few of our problems. :D
 
Interesting article on how the "Kony 2012" campaign is being perceived in Uganda, where it is presumably hoped to have some influence. It illustrates that if you want something to go viral and have some positive effect that you should have some understanding of those who you want to help or influence.

Kony 2012 flops in Uganda – Global Public Square - CNN.com Blogs

Oh dear oh dear. Alas, the vast majority of the 80 million people who viewed the video, including Zooplantman's friends' kids :D, will never get around to reading this analysis.

You need to film a video-response to the Kony video and post it to kids' Facebook page. If Kony really isn't an issue for Ugandans, I wonder if the guy that filmed the video will return the donations?

I think that I can film a video asking for help to find Bin Laden, and there will be some people out there that would jump on board and even send me money. Now there's a thought!! :D
 
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