Melbourne Zoo Melbourne Zoo News 2012

Please, no, don't tell me they changed the great australia area they have in melbourne..... If they are getting new animals, locate them in the area of the old baboon exhibit, plenty of space there, that's a better idea than waste all of it to some educational thing....

I think you might mean the outback area including the Great Flight Aviary. This area is staying as it is, so no worries from you. It has changed slightly, however, as there is a new hamadryas baboon exhibit near the entrance.

Hope it clears it up. The old baboon area is where the new educational precinct will be, just as you wanted. :)
 
I did mean the outback, thanks. I was worried some parts of that would vanish by the arrival of new animals, because that part of the zoo is just great.

But I will keep saying this; creating an educational precinct whilst all of the space here coul be used to house animals is a waste of space! I really do not understand some of the choices zoo's make. After all, education doesn't atract visitors, and no-one bothers about it ( except the zoostaff and some zoofanatics).
 
actually school groups bring quite a bit of money into zoos, and it is one of the requirements of being a member of ZAA that one participates in active education programmes.
 
actually school groups bring quite a bit of money into zoos, and it is one of the requirements of being a member of ZAA that one participates in active education programmes.

But schoolchildren don't give s**** about education, they just want to see animals, or have fun on a playground. So schoollasses will keep coming, even without that education. And education might be a requirement, proper housing of animals is more important. Pointless matters should not weigh so heavy.
 
But schoolchildren don't give s**** about education, they just want to see animals, or have fun on a playground. So schoollasses will keep coming, even without that education. And education might be a requirement, proper housing of animals is more important. Pointless matters should not weigh so heavy.
building an education facility in the zoo doesn't affect "proper housing of animals" at all. None of the animals at the zoo are improperly housed, especially now the baboons have a new enclosure. Your argument may as well extend to why bother having gardens in a zoo, they are a waste of money and space that could be used to build more cages. In fact why bother with interpretation and signage on the cages: waste of money because nobody goes to the zoo to learn anything.
 
It is a waste of space, because they can build a proper exhibit there, I didn't say th e zoo has improperly housing at the moment. And yes, I think that gardens in zoo's are a waste of space as well, an exhibit there would be better use of the available space, or an enlargement of an exhibit.
 
But I will keep saying this; creating an educational precinct whilst all of the space here coul be used to house animals is a waste of space! I really do not understand some of the choices zoo's make. After all, education doesn't atract visitors, and no-one bothers about it ( except the zoostaff and some zoofanatics).

The new section will have animal exhibits that are aimed, primarily, at children and families. From what I can tell the giant tortoises will be moved there, along with the meerkats, and there are signs posted on the security fencing that mention brush turkeys as well. The exhibits will have interactive play elements alongside them, such as tunnels under the meerkat exhibit, tortoise shells to climb in etc.
 
The new section will have animal exhibits that are aimed, primarily, at children and families. From what I can tell the giant tortoises will be moved there, along with the meerkats, and there are signs posted on the security fencing that mention brush turkeys as well. The exhibits will have interactive play elements alongside them, such as tunnels under the meerkat exhibit, tortoise shells to climb in etc.

Where are the goodfellows tree kangaroos and red pandas going then? Off display? Or are they also going into the new education precinct?
 
But schoolchildren don't give s**** about education, they just want to see animals, or have fun on a playground. So schoollasses will keep coming, even without that education. And education might be a requirement, proper housing of animals is more important. Pointless matters should not weigh so heavy.

Your first sentence is simply not true. There are different educational tours/talks for different age groups. The material is pitched at the right level and more often than not, ties in directly with stuff that the students are studying in school. Even rowdy teenagers enjoy the tours, and young kids are usually in awe. When the small animals are brought out for kids to touch, they go nuts.
 
Where are the goodfellows tree kangaroos and red pandas going then? Off display? Or are they also going into the new education precinct?

I don't know. I've listed the specie that seem to be definitely going into the new exhibit because I have no idea what is happening to the assortment of other small species that used to call this area home.
 
But schoolchildren don't give s**** about education, they just want to see animals, or have fun on a playground. So schoollasses will keep coming, even without that education. And education might be a requirement, proper housing of animals is more important. Pointless matters should not weigh so heavy.

Oh how wrong you are. Sorry but iknow for a fact education centres bring in big bucks for zoos. For teachers it isnt just a matter of ooooh i feel like going to the zoo, lets do it. But by having a lesson dedicated to an area of study it is easier to justify having classes covered etc. Also schools choose to have lesson and pay extra to do so. So without this option it is a potentially huge revenue stream lost. especially when for some zoos the teachers pays come from outside the zoo.

I also know that children do give a **** and DO learn at the zoo and benefit.from lessons. if let to just wander the zoo there is so much they would not stop to read. I will stop now because i have brought this up a few times on here.
 
But I will keep saying this; creating an educational precinct whilst all of the space here coul be used to house animals is a waste of space! I really do not understand some of the choices zoo's make. After all, education doesn't atract visitors, and no-one bothers about it ( except the zoostaff and some zoofanatics).

And education might be a requirement, proper housing of animals is more important. Pointless matters should not weigh so heavy.

I disagree strongly with these statements. In this day and age, with the general public becoming more and more aware of animal rights, zoos are having a harder and harder time justifying their existence. Most will claim that they play a role in conservation, but without proper public education anything they say about conservation is just lip service. Very few species have ever been saved by zoos breeding the odd individual here and there, whereas engendering an interest or passion for animals in an increasingly urbanised society may one day influence the behaviour of the populace when it comes to actions which potentially affect wild populations of animals. Today's children are tomorrow's voters, after all, and they're not going to care about saving something they know nothing about.

A zoo without appropriate interpretive information or adequate school education programs is little more than a circus that doesn't travel. Some of us hope that we've moved past displaying animals simply for entertainment, motivated solely by profit, or we may as well bring back bear-baiting and throwing Xtians to lions in a public arena.
 
I disagree strongly with these statements. In this day and age, with the general public becoming more and more aware of animal rights, zoos are having a harder and harder time justifying their existence. .

From tha AZA website Association of Zoos and Aquariums - Visitor Demographics

Over 175 million annual visitors - more visitors than NFL, NBA, NHL, and MLB annual attendance combined

When people make statements that zoos are finding it harder to justify their existance I think of stats like this. Yes it's from the US and not Australia, but people are voting with their feet and money and saying that they prefer visiting zoos over attending sporting events. I think this says more than the small minority that are rubbishing zoos.
 
When people make statements that zoos are finding it harder to justify their existance I think of stats like this. Yes it's from the US and not Australia, but people are voting with their feet and money and saying that they prefer visiting zoos over attending sporting events.

I didn't say that zoo attendance had disappeared, but that zoos are having to justify their existence in a way they didn't have to many years ago. However, there's a danger in throwing stats around without putting them in the correct context. For starters, comparing zoo attendance to something entirely unrelated (sports) is meaningless. A zoo can be visited any day all year round, whereas sporting events are seasonal and have limited seating, not to mention the different demographics: Your own link says zoos are mainly attended by women (mothers), whereas it's not hard to guess that the bulk of sporting events are attended by men (and probably men with little interest in wildlife, anyway). I can probably find stats that prove that more people attend bullfights than knitting conventions, but I wouldn't be able to imply that bullfighting wasn't controversial on the basis of that statistic.

What I'd be more interested in is whether that zoo attendance is rising or falling and an even bigger question would be: If all of those zoos didn't pay lip service to conservation and had absolutely no educational material, but were clearly in it purely for entertainment and profit, would those numbers remain the same? Your link suggests not:

AZA said:
Two out of three adults visits a zoo or aquarium with a child

94% feel that zoos and aquariums teach children about how people can protect animals and the habitats they depend on

79% feel better about companies that support wildlife conservation at zoos and aquariums

66% are more likely to buy products and services from those companies

Judging by those stats, your link seems to support my stance rather than refute it.

But again, collecting stats on the number of people that visit zoos and asking them questions (given that they are already there, at a zoo) only tells half the story. If one were to interview all of the people not visiting zoos, rather than just tally the ones that do, and ask why they don't visit zoos, perhaps we'd get a more even-handed picture of what joe public thinks?

If you were in Sydney when Taronga first started advertising that they were bringing in new, young Asian elephants and saw the kerfuffle in the media associated with this, you'd realise that public perception of zoos and the animals being put into them is changing steadily. Taronga wisely pulled the conservation card when they defended the import of their elephants, because they knew that "but people LOVE seeing elephants!" wouldn't cut it with the public.

David Attenborough's very first wildlife program for TV was called ZooQuest and had him following zoo staff around with a camera as they collected animals from the wild to stock their zoos. How popular would that program be today? Yes, there would be people that would love it, but there would also be public outcry. David Attenborough himself, while mentioning this program during his recent public speaking tour around Australia, admitted that things were different then.

Public attitudes to animal-related things (lab tests, circuses, zoos etc), at least in affluent, western countries, has changed profoundly in my lifetime and will continue to do so in the future. Smart zoo/aquarium operators know that it is not just morally good, but good business as well, to be seen as a conservation-minded institution and the most important conservation work any zoo or aquarium can do is in its education and interpretive graphics. If you have a million or more people coming through your doors every year, they just need to pick up a snippet of information from all of the graphics on site and you've made more progress, conservation-wise, than you would by the marketing-trumpeted birth of a lone gorilla baby.

So I still disagree with Johnny's stance that graphics/education is just a bit of fluff which is better replaced by more exhibit space.
 
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According to Melbourne Zoo's website, "Growing Wild" will open on 22nd September and will feature three zones. Species mentioned are meerkat, 'giant tortoise' (I presume Aldabran tortoise?) and brush turkey as well as "reptiles, insects and other animals that live on the ground".
 
According to Melbourne Zoo's website, "Growing Wild" will open on 22nd September and will feature three zones. Species mentioned are meerkat, 'giant tortoise' (I presume Aldabran tortoise?) and brush turkey as well as "reptiles, insects and other animals that live on the ground".

According to the latest issue of their newsletter, it is indeed Aldabran tortoises. There was an interesting piece on them - they are all between 80 and 100 years, with two donated by governments and one confiscated from a ship that was trying to smuggle it in to Australia.
 
On the announcement of the last pygmy hippo death at Adelaide, it states that Petra from Taronga is now at Melbourne. Refer to the Adelaide Zoo Facebook page.
 
The whole Melbourne Zoo (as well as the other Zoos Victoria zoos) website has been upgraded and format changed. It looks quite nice.

EDIT: Interestingly, G-Anne the gorilla does not have a profile (as in an individual animal profile) on the new website. It might be an error?
 
Melbourne Gorilla update.

EDIT: Interestingly, G-Anne the gorilla does not have a profile (as in an individual animal profile) on the new website. It might be an error?

Have heard nothing on the Melbourne Gorillas for ages so maybe someone can give an update? I'm presuming 'Rigo' is still head of the group but still not mating any females so there are no new babies. Are they just going to carry on like that indefinately, or maybe are they talking vaguely about AI ?

IMO its time they took some positive action.
 
According to the website, a new precinct planned is called "Predator-Prey" featuring snow leopards, African hunting dogs, lions and Syrian brown bear. I wonder if this is the next project after 'Growing Wild'?

Also, what will they do once Honey the last Syrian brown bear dies? They are a phase out species for Australia so they probably won't bother getting the Syrian brown bears from Cairns. I wonder if they might replace her with sun bears?

Interesting concept though. I wonder if the new area will also include the giraffe/zebra/ostrich exhibit and Baboon Lookout? It all sounds so interesting for the future of Melbourne Zoo.
 
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