jusko said that he wanted a mate for Harapan too. Harapan's a boy, so he would need a live mate.
Phase-In Species for the US?
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jusko said that he wanted a mate for Harapan too. Harapan's a boy, so he would need a live mate.
jusko88
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Does anybody know the relatively recent history of Loxodonta cyclotis in American zoos (say 1970 forward).
I know that there was an African forest elephant at the Bronx Zoo until 1970 (their last African elephant) and apparently the last one here was at the Columbus Zoo in 1991(?). Were there any other cyclotis in American zoos between then?
I know that there was an African forest elephant at the Bronx Zoo until 1970 (their last African elephant) and apparently the last one here was at the Columbus Zoo in 1991(?). Were there any other cyclotis in American zoos between then?
L.Cyclotis has been completely absent from North American collections since the death of Casi(Budi) in 1991. Making Columbus the last holder of the species. As Jbsnn did say, it wouldn't be unheard of for animals to be imported as L. Africana still are. However I find that highly unlikely. Unless initiated by mega societies such as WCS, and the San Diego zoo/safari park. The young animals in Japan were imported in 2003 via Burkina Faso, which I'm assuming would be a source country if the united states was to import.
Could it be possible that the return of the Asiatic lion is imminent in the United States/Canada? As two males were recently transferred to Assiniboine (Winnipeg, Canada).
The Bhutan Takin is being imported by the Smithsonian National Zoo.
It was announced by the Cincinnati zoo that the AI from the male in Borneo to Succi was not possible to execute. Making her breeding with Ipuh the only option as of yet.
Could it be possible that the return of the Asiatic lion is imminent in the United States/Canada? As two males were recently transferred to Assiniboine (Winnipeg, Canada).
The Bhutan Takin is being imported by the Smithsonian National Zoo.
It was announced by the Cincinnati zoo that the AI from the male in Borneo to Succi was not possible to execute. Making her breeding with Ipuh the only option as of yet.
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1) It wouldn't suprise me if one or two Forest Elephants were imported as L. africana or L. africana africana. I have a feeling that, one day, the species will return to U.S. zoos.
2) That's amazing news as I though Asiatic Lions were completely phased out of North American zoos. Is the Assiniboine Park Zoo AZA accredited? If it isn't I can see them them getting Asiatic Lions as much less of a suprise since they've decided pretty much only to breed South African Lions (P. l. krugeri). I don't know what other Lion subspecies are in North American zoos but most are South African, a few are Barbary Lions (P. l. leo), and now we have two male Asiatic Lions in Winipeg. The fact that there are males almost garantees that females will be sent eventually to breed their. Once that happens, the cubs can be sent to other zoos (Bronx Zoo mabye
) and then more breeding can occur and mabye a few other individuals from Europe or Asia can be sent here.3) Is that a certainty as Bhutan Takins can currently only be found in captivity in Bhutan's only zoo as the only zoo animal so I'd imagine they'd be very reluctant to let the species go. I have read a little on it but I assumed the zoo would just eventually get Sichuan or Mishmi Takins but if it's Bhutan, then congrats to the people down in D.C. for pulling that off. I know they are going to be on Asia Trail but where? Will the exhibit be fit into the plans for the new Asian Elephant exhibit? This doesn't have anything to do with the Bhutan Takins but will the Nile Hippos return as the zoo says that they are "not currently on exhibit" while all the other old animals say "we do not currently have ___ at the zoo" except for the Capybaras which also say "not currently on exhibit"? Also, besides for the little ones in the Reptile House, where are the Japanese Giant Salamanders? I heard they were on Asia Trail but I couldn't find them. Are they right after the Giant Panda exhibit because, since they weren't out, I didn't go down there?
4) I'm glad Suci isn't breeding with a male from Borneo because the Sum. Rhinos in the U.S., Sumatra, and Malaysia are of a seperate subspecies as the ones on Borneo. I talked about this more on the "Do You Know Your Zoo?" game thing that was started yesterday. There's only one fertil male Borneo Rhinoceros that I know of in captivity anyway that they're trying to breed with the only fertil female of the subspecies in captivity. There should be a couple of both males and females of Suci's subspecies in Malaysia and Sumatra and since Cincinnati has had the most luck, they should have semen sent there or, better yet but more unlikely, send the male itself. As for what BeardsleyZooFan said, yes, Harapan does need an actually female or his semen can be sent to have AI done on a female in a Sumatran or Malaysian breeding facility. Also, there currently are two available female rhinos at the Sumatran Rhino Santuary where Andalas and the third female, Ratu, just had a little calve named Andatu.
Yes, Asian Lions are at Winnipeg. I believe they're brothers. There are no Barbary Lions in the US. At least no pure Barbary Lions, as I believe pure Barbaries are extinct.
The Bhutanese government has allowed Smithsonian to acquire Bhutanese Takin. They will be next to the pandas.
The Bhutanese government has allowed Smithsonian to acquire Bhutanese Takin. They will be next to the pandas.
Phantom Gaur
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Thylacine-The Giant Salamanders on Asia Trail are very easy to miss. They are on the lower panda viewing walkway after the lookout into the elephant yard. They are in a window built into the wall on the left.
BeardsleyZooFan- Is the zoo AZA accredited.
Yes I understand that no pure Barbary Lions currently live in the U.S.
Oh when are they going on exhibit.
Phantom Gaur- That's where I figured they were. I was pressed on time since I entered from the other side of the zoo and had to leave soon so I didn't go down that way.
At least I saw the little ones in the Reptile House.
Yes I understand that no pure Barbary Lions currently live in the U.S.
Oh when are they going on exhibit.
Phantom Gaur- That's where I figured they were. I was pressed on time since I entered from the other side of the zoo and had to leave soon so I didn't go down that way.
At least I saw the little ones in the Reptile House.
Then why do you claim that we have Barbary Lions? If you mean immpure lions, then just say generic lions as a whole. I believe the Asiatics are on exhibit. They got rid of their Africans to make room for them.
No Barbary Lions are pure. Neither are our Amur Leopards. Generic lions might work for the U.S. Barbaries but the ones in Europe were proven to be just as pure as all Amur Leopards so that's why I say Barbary Lions instead of generic. When I said "when are they going on exhibit?", I ment the Bhutan Takins in D.C.
Is the zoo AZA accredited.
I believe Assiniboine Park Zoo is AZA acredited. It is definitely CAZA, the Canadian equivalant. The zoo had a small pride of Africans, male Xerces, female Kayia, and their single offspring born in March 2012 but the facility in Ontario that owned the parents wanted them back early. The two young male Asiatic lions, Bhanu and Kamal, were brought in from Zoologischer Garten Magdeburg in Germany in the spring as replacements knowing the Africans were only loaners. Their bloodlines were already well represented in Europe so they were easier to obtain. I'm not sure how easy it will be for the zoo to find compatiable females and import them but I would guess since their lion exhibit is only 2 years old and award winning they would eventually want a breeding pride. If it wasnt their goal they probably would have gone after white lions like Toronto Zoo recently did, importing 3 cubs from South Africa, or just borrowed Toronto's 12 year old African brothers if they wanted a non breeding group.
Well I'm glad that they're AZA. Hopefully AZA will have other lion subspecies brought into North American zoos (not that I want South African Lions phased out). I hope a breeding population will some day be started in the U.S.
Does anyone know when the Smithsonian National Zoo's new Bhutan Takin are coming and when they're going on exhibit?
Not sure when they are coming. I believe they are still raising funds for their exhibit. This link has not changed in some time.
https://salsa.democracyinaction.org/o/1483/p/salsa/donation/common/public/?donate_page_KEY=8606
Does anyone know if there are any other subspecies of Lions in North America besides South African Lions (P. l. krugeri), so called "Barbary Lions" (P. l. leo), and now the Asiatic Lion (P. l. Persica)?
If not, are there plans to phase-in any other ones.
If not, are there plans to phase-in any other ones.
jbnbsn99
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Just generic Africans. The whole lion taxonomy isn't settled right now as to number of species. Most authorities say that there are just two African and Asian, but that *might change [Bertola et al. (2011)]. But in the US, there are no "racially pure" lions other than the south Africans (subspecies or no).
That picture isn't a Bhutan takin though. Maybe at that stage they didn't know or hadn't decided on the specifics. It sounds like a nice exhibit, I'm sure it will be better than San Diego's recently opened takin enclosure.
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They kind of remind me of those elves in Harry Potter.
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