Zoo and wildlife zeitgeists

My car is running on fumes today and I am dreading going to the petrol station this evening to pay more that $1.40 per litre.

Did I mention this one already? I wonder if future generations will lament that we allowed testing on animals (non-human primates in particular) to persist for so long. And I will probably still be wondering why we didn't perform the tests on the worst human criminals instead.
 
nanoboy said:
My car is running on fumes today and I am dreading going to the petrol station this evening to pay more that $1.40 per litre.

Did I mention this one already? I wonder if future generations will lament that we allowed testing on animals (non-human primates in particular) to persist for so long. And I will probably still be wondering why we didn't perform the tests on the worst human criminals instead.
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Well at least in America the criminal has constitutional rights against cruel and unusual punishment, the rabbit at the lab doesn't its simple as that.
 
And define "experiments" work with pig valves has saved countless human lives including my fathers who has an artificial valve based on the research done on pig valves.

I don't see how testing on animals is a bad thing.
 
tschandler71 said:
And define "experiments" work with pig valves has saved countless human lives including my fathers who has an artificial valve based on the research done on pig valves.

I don't see how testing on animals is a bad thing.
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That's exactly what a zeitgeist is.
 
ThylacineAlive said:
@tschandler, I'm sure the rats don't like those extra Human ears on their backs...

~Thylo:cool:
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at the end they are just rats though. Is animal testing an "icky" issue? Sure but I wouldn't take back the medical advances that have came with it.

Obviously I care about animals and conservation considering I post on a Zoo site but I mentioned my views before. Humans are animals too and when conflict arises I am going to side with the human element the majority of the time and I don't think I should apologize for that.

I mean we could cut carbon emissions to zero tomorrow but billions would freeze and starve.
 
tschandler71 said:
at the end they are just rats though. Is animal testing an "icky" issue? Sure but I wouldn't take back the medical advances that have came with it.

Obviously I care about animals and conservation considering I post on a Zoo site but I mentioned my views before. Humans are animals too and when conflict arises I am going to side with the human element the majority of the time and I don't think I should apologize for that.

I mean we could cut carbon emissions to zero tomorrow but billions would freeze and starve.
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That first sentence has angered me very much but I've deleted my first draft of this post and will do things civily.

Rats are much more significant then you seen to think, though. They're been proven to be much more intelligent then first thought and are an important part of the ecosystem. And just because you post on ZooChat doesn't mean you really do care about animals. There are all those trolls and spammers and also there's a member named pandaman who I've only seen posting about wanting to end conservation and let endangerd species all die out! I know you're not like that but rats are much more than pests!

~Thylo:cool:
 
ThylacineAlive, you are talking about wild rats though, and tschandler is talking about domesticated rats specifically, lab rats. Any animal that has been domesticated was domesticated to fulfill a niche in society, and this is the niche that these animals have been created to fulfill.
 
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