Revive and Restore

seems unlikely, and may have negative consequences, but I'm all for it.
(however I think the wooly mammoth is a bad idea).
 
seems unlikely, and may have negative consequences, but I'm all for it.
(however I think the wooly mammoth is a bad idea).

Don't think they're going to try the Woolly Mammoth. I can't see any negative consequences coming out of this, we are simply correcting our mistake. If you see any, please feel free to share.

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This has probably already been posted but-
Revive & Restore | Extinct species back to life

I see a Thylacine skull in there;)

It seems they are starting with the Passenger Pigeon first.

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This is really good stuff and it should not be wasted on this thread. Why not start a thread on the General Discussion board for a more serious discussion? Also, a few more people might see the advert for the March 15 TedX conference if it's on another forum.
 
This is really good stuff and it should not be wasted on this thread. Why not start a thread on the General Discussion board for a more serious discussion? Also, a few more people might see the advert for the March 15 TedX conference if it's on another forum.

You're right, I'll PM a mod to move what's already been said to a new thread in the General Discussions. The topic has been floating around the chat for the last few days so I figured someone already made a thread for it.

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Interesting site. Thanks for sharing. There are some better ideas than others, and I'm curious about why some of the omitted species aren't recommended.
If they have the funding and the interest then it's probably worth a go. Good to see a mention for the conservation arguments that people often raise - hopefully conservation programmes worldwide can benefit from the interest generated by projects like this.
 
I will make sure to post the TED talk once it hits YouTube.

Thanks to jbnbsn for showing me the site and moving it onto its own thread. Although, if you're wondering jbn, I did not "wet myself with excitement." :l

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I would if I could. I'm sure some ZooChatters like blospz will go since they live near DC if they see this in time.

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BBC's view

The BBC wildlife magazine for April 2013 had an article entitled 'How to recreate extinct species'. Here is the article in full (all credits go to BBC wildlife magazine and Henry Nichols (author of the article)).

Can we resurrect extinct species?

I recently read about a project to bring back the extinct aurochs, and a couple of years ago scientists claimed to be trying to clone a mammoth. How can we bring back extinct species-and should we?

when Micheal Critchton's novel 'Jurassic park' was published in 1990, The prospect of bringing extinct species back to life was little more than brilliant fiction. But, with recent advances in genetics, This is no longer the case.

There are two approaches to resurrection. Cloning involves inserting DNA into an egg cell from a similar living species,which is then implanted into a female to bring to term. Breeding back,by contrast,involves taking extant descendants of now-extinct species and selectively breeding them to recreate something more like their long-lost forebears.

when it comes to cloning , there are two essential ingredients: High quality ,complete DNA and the means to grow a cloned embryo to adulthood. Because DNA degrades rapidly, there is little chance of bringing back species that died out more than 100,000 years ago. So dinosaurs are out. But for more recently extinct species, where there are well-preserved specimens that still contain DNA and a suitable surrogate species, resurrection is a theoretical possibility.

Long live the mammoth?
The wooly mammoth appears to be the perfect candidate. Every specimen exhumed from the Siberian permafrost sparks a frenzy of speculation that one of its cells might contain a perfectly preserved nucleus (which stores the genetic information). Once thawed, this could replace the nucleus from an egg from the mammoth's closest relative, the Indian elephant. Cell division would be stimulated with chemicals or an electric current, and the resulting embryo inserted into a female elephant to bring them to term.
Alternatively , if the frozen mammoth were a male and its testes still contained viable sperm,these could be used to fertilize an elephant egg,creating a hybrid. However, the odds of pulling intact cells or sperm from ice are vanishing small- All mammoth DNA recovered to date has came in jumbled fragments rather than seamless stretches. Despite this,efforts continue. In 2008,researchers rearranged these snippets into a draft sequence of the mammoth genome. Though this is just a string of letters on a computer screen, there are at least two ways it could be transformed into a living, breathing mammoth. The purist's method would be to synthesise a nucleus from stratch, then clone it into an elephant egg. But at present constructing such vast lengths of DNA in a lab,let alone fashioning them into a fully functional nucleus, is just not possible. The alternative-a quick-and-dirty approach to mammoth making- would be to engineer an elephant embryo with mammoth like qualities,such as domed head and a shaggy coat of ginger hair. But it's not quite as simple as that. Even with a fully functional nucleus,cloning requires an abundant supply of suitable eggs.

part two soon
 
The BBC wildlife magazine for April 2013 had an article entitled 'How to recreate extinct species'. Here is the article in full (all credits go to BBC wildlife magazine and Henry Nichols (author of the article)).

Can we resurrect extinct species?

I recently read about a project to bring back the extinct aurochs, and a couple of years ago scientists claimed to be trying to clone a mammoth. How can we bring back extinct species-and should we?

when Micheal Critchton's novel 'Jurassic park' was published in 1990, The prospect of bringing extinct species back to life was little more than brilliant fiction. But, with recent advances in genetics, This is no longer the case.

There are two approaches to resurrection. Cloning involves inserting DNA into an egg cell from a similar living species,which is then implanted into a female to bring to term. Breeding back,by contrast,involves taking extant descendants of now-extinct species and selectively breeding them to recreate something more like their long-lost forebears.

when it comes to cloning , there are two essential ingredients: High quality ,complete DNA and the means to grow a cloned embryo to adulthood. Because DNA degrades rapidly, there is little chance of bringing back species that died out more than 100,000 years ago. So dinosaurs are out. But for more recently extinct species, where there are well-preserved specimens that still contain DNA and a suitable surrogate species, resurrection is a theoretical possibility.

Long live the mammoth?
The wooly mammoth appears to be the perfect candidate. Every specimen exhumed from the Siberian permafrost sparks a frenzy of speculation that one of its cells might contain a perfectly preserved nucleus (which stores the genetic information). Once thawed, this could replace the nucleus from an egg from the mammoth's closest relative, the Indian elephant. Cell division would be stimulated with chemicals or an electric current, and the resulting embryo inserted into a female elephant to bring them to term.
Alternatively , if the frozen mammoth were a male and its testes still contained viable sperm,these could be used to fertilize an elephant egg,creating a hybrid. However, the odds of pulling intact cells or sperm from ice are vanishing small- All mammoth DNA recovered to date has came in jumbled fragments rather than seamless stretches. Despite this,efforts continue. In 2008,researchers rearranged these snippets into a draft sequence of the mammoth genome. Though this is just a string of letters on a computer screen, there are at least two ways it could be transformed into a living, breathing mammoth. The purist's method would be to synthesise a nucleus from stratch, then clone it into an elephant egg. But at present constructing such vast lengths of DNA in a lab,let alone fashioning them into a fully functional nucleus, is just not possible. The alternative-a quick-and-dirty approach to mammoth making- would be to engineer an elephant embryo with mammoth like qualities,such as domed head and a shaggy coat of ginger hair. But it's not quite as simple as that. Even with a fully functional nucleus,cloning requires an abundant supply of suitable eggs.

part two soon

With a female elephant typically ovulating just once every five years and her reproductive tract a formidable 3m long, the chances of extracting this prize seems remote. Even if all of these hurdles could be overcome the entire project is still on shaky biological, ecological and ethical grounds. The mammoth was a cold adapted creature that would likely struggle in today's warmer-and warming-world, and the vast,grassy habitat in which the species thrived during the last ice age has no modern equivalent . A resurrected beast might live for a short time in a zoo,but would be little more than a freak. The resurrection of other extinct species would not prove any easier. With the dodo for instance, We have only a ghostly description of its genetic make-up-In a hot climate like Mauritius,DNA degrades very quickly . to revive the giant ground sloth, surrogacy would fall to its closest living relative-the three-toed sloth-which would struggle to carry such a massive foetus to term. And any proposal to bring back the neanderthal is simply too unethical to even consider.
nevertheless, resurrection of extinct species is extremely likely, particularly for those whose DNA lives on in others or where we have both high-quality,clonable DNA and a suitable surrogate.

bonus articles in the story soon
 
sub-articles

cows come home

The eurasian aurochs was a huge,horned cattle like beast that dominated the european landscape during the pleistocene era. The last recorded individual died in 1627, Yet aurochs genes survive today in domestic cattle. By describing fragments of DNA extracted from Aurochs bones, It should be possible to identify the breeds closest to Aurochs in the bovine family tree. recreating the species was first attempted in the 1920s By Heinz and Lutz Heck, resulting in the creation of the cattle the bear their surname.
Today, by selectively breeding from the Aurochs nearest living relatives, the Dutch Taurus aims to create a breed that is "indistinguishable from the former Aurochs", then establish free-ranging populations in the wider corners of europe.

To thaw or not to thaw?
In 2009,scientists used frozen cells from the last living pyrenean ibex (which died in 2000) to clone this wild goat like species back into existence. sadly, the newborns survived only for a few minutes.
The pyrenean ibex is not the only species whose DNA has been put on ice. To date the institute for conservation research at San Diego zoo,California, has almost 1,000 different animals.Some, such as the black-faced honeyeater, have almost certainly become extinct since then. Others, including the tasmanian devil,spix macaw, and northern white rhino, may become extinct very soon. If they do their frozen tissue may take them back to life.

hopefully this helps
 
Besides for the Pyrenean Ibex, it seems like the author decided to focus on those few who are trying to clone back long extinct animals like the mammoth. I'm surprised they never really touched upon cloning more recently extinct species like the Passenger Pigeon and Thylacine. Interesting. Anyway, thanks for sharing, epickoala!:)

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I've read a bit about the Taurus Project. Interesting stuff. One way to look at the idea of re-wilding environments and restoring species (extinct, subspecies, or captive populations), is that hopefully one day, as population growth and economic development stabilize, a lot of vulnerable and endangered animals today will be the restoration candidates of tomorrow. Aurochs and Tarpen surrogates in Holland today; One Horned. Rhinoceros (Likely Indian surrogating for Javan) in China 100 years from now.
 
I'm unsure where I stand here - my worry is that it could be detrimental to some species that are still around today.

"Extinction if forever" has long been a hard-hitting conservation catchphrase, if people see extinct species brought back via cloning then they may just think 'why should I care, if it goes extinct we can just clone it back.'

I'd like to see species return that have disappeared through humanity's mistakes, but I do worry about the backlash of it.
 
Besides for the Pyrenean Ibex, it seems like the author decided to focus on those few who are trying to clone back long extinct animals like the mammoth. I'm surprised they never really touched upon cloning more recently extinct species like the Passenger Pigeon and Thylacine. Interesting. Anyway, thanks for sharing, epickoala!:)

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I imagine the author left out some more recent extinction as those animals cant yet be cloned as there is no suitable host. There isnt a big enough marsupial to be able to implant a thylacine zygote, and I dont believe they have found a way to make/clone a bird within a bird egg.
 
I imagine the author left out some more recent extinction as those animals cant yet be cloned as there is no suitable host. There isnt a big enough marsupial to be able to implant a thylacine zygote, and I dont believe they have found a way to make/clone a bird within a bird egg.

I'm aware of the problem with the Thylacine and just used it as it came to mind first. With the Passenger Pigeon they are not trying to fertilize eggs, they are tempering with the the Band-Tailed Pigeon to try to get it to lay Passenger Pigeon eggs, it's confusing. I do believe they are able to fertilize bird eggs however, it's how they plan to clone back the moa and elephant bird.

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Revive & Restore

Not sure I understand the mechanics of this, but wouldn't a Mourning Dove be a better surrogate than a Band-tailed Pigeon?
 
Not sure I understand the mechanics of this, but wouldn't a Mourning Dove be a better surrogate than a Band-tailed Pigeon?

Not from what I've heard but I don't know, I'm sure reading about it on the site and watching that video may clear some things up.

What I really want to know is how they plan to bring back mastodons and smilodons... And also why?

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