Colchester Zoo Orang Utan Forest
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Yes. I reckon he will only leave if he's needed as a breeder by another zoo- that's why I mentioned Colchester as being a possible home. Its not that Chester need to get rid of him yet but he is already old enough to breed now. He's a fine little male too..
taun
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He was called Aris and was there as part of Monkey world being the european crech for baby orangutans being hand reared.
I doubt they will be doing that with another baby too soon, at least not with Gordon...
taun
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Hasn't Gordon been moved out of the Nursery now? He has his own group of females now.
Gordon is long past nursery age- he's a subadult now. I may be wrong here but wasn't it Gordon who injured Aris? Maybe they had put him into that group?
yes it was sadly, and heres the funnt thing, gordons mum is expecting a baby in september BUT the only male she has mixed with is gordon, and people have been saying hes going to be the father? is this legally possible?
i thought inbreeding was a strong no no in zoos?
yes but mistakes happen. With Orangutans, the males can be fertile at a very young age- even six years. Gordon was handraised so doesn't know Amy is his mother, not that that would make any difference, he would still mate her anyway- Paignton had a 'surprise' baby born to their old female and the father was her 6/7 year old son. They didn't realise what could happen keeping them together.
Inbreeding isn't normally harmful in one generation but can be if allowed repeatedly. Mind you, most zoos do try to avoid it at all.
yes what i thought, well we will hopfully find out when the baby is born, maybe this time she will raise it herself
I don't know how the Orangs are kept nowadays at Monkeyworld but I know they have mesh fencing. The big male 'Tuan' could easily mate with Amy through a mesh fence if they are in next door enclosures- that has happened in zoos too.
This will only be Amy's 2nd offspring, right?
This will only be Amy's 2nd offspring, right?
I seem to remember that the hybrid orangs bred at Twycross years ago resulted from the Bornean male mating with through the mesh with the Sumatran female in the adjoining pen . I do not think the impressive male Sumatran ever bred .
You have got to admire their resourcefulness !
You have got to admire their resourcefulness !
monkeyworld
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No this is amys third baby , her first was stillborn then a year later Gordon and in 2008 pregnant ... i think when the mating occured they were in the same encolurse ... but yes its highly possible that orangutans could mate through a fence !
taun
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taun
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No they do not
taun
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Orangutans are solitary in the wild however in captivity they usually co-exist quite peacefully even Adult males and babies in the group.
Am confused by the whole situation thou as Monkey Worlds website says that Tuan has Amy in his group
Monkey World Ape Rescue Centre
On addition to that, I all ways was lead to believe that it was one of the adult females that attacked him (Aris) not Tuan because he wasn't in Tuans group but the nursery one.
Yes. the Sumatran female 'Trudie' mated(evidently) with both males,but her (2) infants were fathered by the Bornean male 'Jod' This was only discovered some years later after they went to a zoo in France and karyotyped to check their subspecies- found to be hybrid!
Twycross later added plexiglass to the mesh to stop any more of this.
The Sumatran male 'Toby' definately mated too- I saw him do so with his 2nd partner Djambe but she never concieved- the only conclusion is he must have been infertile which is rather unusual in Orangutans.