Three caught on a trail camera, including one melanistic.
Scientists capture one of the world's rarest big cats on film (photos)
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Scientists capture one of the world's rarest big cats on film (photos)
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Rare Javan Leopards photographed
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Nice find! We hear so much about the amur leopard that I had no idea the javan leopard is that endangered. Does anyone know how many are in captivity and if there are any coordinated breeding efforts?
In Europe only 3 collections :
Tierpark Berlin recieved their pair from Bogor Zoo in 2011. 2012 they already bred
Zoo Berlin have bred them succesfully but this is already a while ago
Zoo Praha recieved this year 1.0 from Tierpark Berlin ( bred at Tierpark Berlin 2012 )
Tierpark Berlin recieved their pair from Bogor Zoo in 2011. 2012 they already bred
Zoo Berlin have bred them succesfully but this is already a while ago
Zoo Praha recieved this year 1.0 from Tierpark Berlin ( bred at Tierpark Berlin 2012 )
The Javan Leopard has been one of my favorite felines for a while. Maybe it's just their rareness but I think they're simply amazing and have always wanted to see one.
~Thylo
~Thylo
Are there none in the USA ?
Nope, not one. The AZA focuses strictly one the Amur Leopard. There are a few individuals of two or three African subspecies and a single male Persian in AZA accredited zoos but there are small breeding populations of both Persian and North Chinese Leopards here and there outside of the AZA, specifically feline breeding centers.
The second post of this thread can help you: http://www.zoochat.com/2/tigers-lions-leopards-oh-my-big-295148/
~Thylo
There is a small population in Europe of some 10 individuals, spread out over Berlin (Tierpark and Zoo) and Praha. Berlin Tierpark has bred the species since 2012 twice.
Zoo Praha is attempting to acquire 2 unrelated female Javan leopards direct from Indonesia. Also, a population in the tens exists in Indonesia. Taman Safari is an important breeding center.
What would exite me ... even more is camera trapping of Javan tiger (which ... rumour has it ... has recently been documented on Jawa).
Zoo Praha is attempting to acquire 2 unrelated female Javan leopards direct from Indonesia. Also, a population in the tens exists in Indonesia. Taman Safari is an important breeding center.
What would exite me ... even more is camera trapping of Javan tiger (which ... rumour has it ... has recently been documented on Jawa).
Really? A reliable rumor???
I believe Karlsruhle Zoo had two in 2002.
probably see here New Clues Suggest Javan Tiger May Not Be Extinct: Claim - The Jakarta Globe and here Antara News : TNMB to add 15 camera traps to look for Javan tiger but no announced news that I can see on positive results.
If the Javan tiger really still would exist, this would be THE re-discovery of the centuary !
( normaly I'm an optimistic person but in this case even I have little hope ).
( normaly I'm an optimistic person but in this case even I have little hope ).
The camera traps have been installed to enable any physical data collection and documentation to proceed. It is still too early days.
The reports of Javan tiger were considered credible (no tiger evidence as sources close to the search effort have confirmed).
Let us keep an open mind to this and adopt a wait and see attitude till something more concrete transpires. Mind: it took well over a 30-35 years to even document Jawan leopard this way. And since the disappearance of Jawan tiger from their last major stronghold TM Meru Betiri no modern methods as camera trapping had been used previously on for this subspecies here (I leave the long term camera trapping / surveys of tigers on Sumatera out of the equation here ..., but thankfully there is a good deal of local expertise in this type of surveys and certainly the number of Sumatran tiger is now considered higher than previously expected by methods more reliable than spoor or pugmarking.
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In the 'Jakarta Globe' article it says they are setting the cameras up during the less ideal time of year and that the 'dry season would be better as wildlife is concentrated at waterholes'. So why not wait till the dry season?
As long as they keep them running into the dry season and don't give up too soon I suppose it doesn't matter too much.
As long as they keep them running into the dry season and don't give up too soon I suppose it doesn't matter too much.
Especially since new evidence shows that there really are/were 3 tiger species- the "mainland" Tiger (Panthera tigris), Sumatran Tiger (Panthera sondaica), and Sunda Tiger (Panthera sondaica)- so a rediscovery of the Javan Tiger would mark the rediscovery of an entire species!
~Thylo
Please elaborate, preferably with the source material! 
I never go by genetics alone, nor do I rate some of this research very highly. Too often a small sample, few genes and techniques involved will not elucidate anything profound on individual or subspecific relationsships in species. We have now come back into an age of splitting vs. lumping.
To my mind - and a good many ohers - there are clear discernable morphological and physical differences between say Amur/Caspian and Bengal/Himalayan and Malayan/IndoChinese tigers to allow for them to be maintained as subspecies from oneanother proper. As to Sumatran tiger being a separate species possible.
It is best to adopt an open mind, perhaps even a sceptical mind in these. However, I am perfectly willing to be convinced otherwise ... that is the true nature of scientific discovery.
In terms of value for captive-breeding. I cannot stress too highly that we need to make every effort to breed by recognised subspecies and/or single conservation units or we may end up with mix / hybrid / crossbreeds for many a species. Thus studbooks and the steadfast recording and documentation of blood-, familylines, ancestry is the basis for any sound breeding programme.
I never go by genetics alone, nor do I rate some of this research very highly. Too often a small sample, few genes and techniques involved will not elucidate anything profound on individual or subspecific relationsships in species. We have now come back into an age of splitting vs. lumping.
To my mind - and a good many ohers - there are clear discernable morphological and physical differences between say Amur/Caspian and Bengal/Himalayan and Malayan/IndoChinese tigers to allow for them to be maintained as subspecies from oneanother proper. As to Sumatran tiger being a separate species possible.
It is best to adopt an open mind, perhaps even a sceptical mind in these. However, I am perfectly willing to be convinced otherwise ... that is the true nature of scientific discovery.
In terms of value for captive-breeding. I cannot stress too highly that we need to make every effort to breed by recognised subspecies and/or single conservation units or we may end up with mix / hybrid / crossbreeds for many a species. Thus studbooks and the steadfast recording and documentation of blood-, familylines, ancestry is the basis for any sound breeding programme.
Like KB I'm wondering how correct that assessment is. Also you list 'Sondaica' as the latin name for both Sumatran and 'Sunda' tigers. Is that a mistake? While I can see a case for splitting the Island tigers from the Mainland tigers, possibly the Sumatran, Javan & Bali were only subspecies of each other? The Javan & Bali tigers may not even have been entirely separate either, as I've heard the Straits seperating the two islands is swimmable by Tigers.
Please elaborate, preferably with the source material!
I was informed about it and given some articles to read on it (which I don't have anymore unfortunately) by TeaLovingDave and jbnbsn99 in the chatroom. I'd ask one of them to clarify for you. Sorry I couldn't help you out more.
~Thylo
It was a mistake. I meant Panthera sumatrae for the Sumatran Tiger and Panthera sondaica for the "Sunda Tigers" which, yes, included the Javan and Bali Tigers as subspecies with the Javan being the nominate. When I was discussing the matter with jbnbsn99 and TeaLovingDave a while ago I brought up whether the Sumatran Tiger should be included with the other island tigers as Panthera sondaica sumatrae but I was told the evidence points against that.
~Thylo
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I think he is refering to results from this paper Mazak and Groves (2006) - http://arts.anu.edu.au/grovco/tiger SEAsia Mazak.pdf (Please correct me if Im wrong Thylo)
I believe its available for all to view but can forward it on if its not. I think there are far too many flaws in this paper for it to be taken as gospel, but I guess everyone can make their own mind up.
I think he is refering to results from this paper Mazak and Groves (2006) - http://arts.anu.edu.au/grovco/tiger SEAsia Mazak.pdf (Please correct me if Im wrong Thylo)
I believe its available for all to view but can forward it on if its not. I think there are far too many flaws in this paper for it to be taken as gospel, but I guess everyone can make their own mind up.
I believe that was one of the articles but I was given two or three by TLD and jb. I'll contact one of them to see if I can get those articles back.
~Thylo