Species NOT in captivity that you'd like to see in captivity

IMO giant squid and surtainly coelacanth should be left were they are now, in the wild. IMO - at least at the moment - there is no collection which can give these species proper housing and only to satisfy the ´need´ of some ´freaks´ ( I don't mean this negative ! ) I guess it's not the right reason to put such species on display.
The few captured coelacanth which were housed in aquaria only survaived for a very short time and to little is known about it's wild status to do experiments with them !
 
As trends go in the zoo world, i think we will be seeing a few more Philippine species brought over.
 
kiang said:
As trends go in the zoo world, i think we will be seeing a few more Philippine species brought over.
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I'd like to see that! Do you think we'll be seeing more Visayan Spotted Deer around? That's a species I'd love to see. I know there's quite a few in European zoos but I'd like to see some more in American zoos.

~Thylo:cool:
 
1. Himalayan Wolf
2. Mexican Wolf
3. Red Wolf
4. Ethiopian Wolf
5. Darwin's Fox
6. Island Fox
7. Northwest African Cheetah
8. Asiatic Cheetah
9. Iberian Lynx
10. Javan Leopard
 
casarettoaleash said:
1. Himalayan Wolf
2. Mexican Wolf
3. Red Wolf
4. Ethiopian Wolf
5. Darwin's Fox
6. Island Fox
7. Northwest African Cheetah
8. Asiatic Cheetah
9. Iberian Lynx
10. Javan Leopard
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6 of those species are represented in captivity, including one at your own hometown zoo.
 
Well, I guess I haven't seen it because I never really spent much time in Texas Wild. Maybe I glanced them, but I don't remember. I'm not a big fan of Texas Wild. Next time I go I will have to look for the Red Wolf. Never seen a Mexican Wolf in captivity before. I certainly have never seen them at the Fort Worth Zoo. Which other species are represented in captivity? I know Himalayan Wolves are kept in captivity, but they are very, very rare. Since they are critically endangered, I would like to see more done to breed them in captivity. The only place I know that keeps them is the Himalayan Zoological Park. I know Mexican Wolves are kept on wildlife refuges, but I don't consider that captivity. They are critically endangered and I would like to see more breeding of them in captivity. Very few zoos currently keep them. They are mostly kept in refuges. I know the Minnesota Zoo has Mexican Wolves. The National Zoo has them, too. I believe the Arizona-Sonora Desert Museum has Mexican Wolves, too. But, they sure aren't common in captivity. Red Wolves are also rare in captivity. Most of them are kept on refuges. Technically, most are wild. I know the FWS still works with them to ensure their population is stable. I would like to see more of this critically endagered species being bred in captivity. I don't know of any zoos that keep Ethiopian Wolves. As far as I know, they are struggling to exist in the wild. They are critically endangered and barely hanging on. I would like to see them in captivity. Otherwise, they are going to go extinct. If captive breeding doesn't take place, the Ethiopian Wolf is doomed.
 
casarettoaleash said:
Well, I guess I haven't seen it because I never really spent much time in Texas Wild. Maybe I glanced them, but I don't remember. I'm not a big fan of Texas Wild. Next time I go I will have to look for the Red Wolf. Never seen a Mexican Wolf in captivity before. I certainly have never seen them at the Fort Worth Zoo. Which other species are represented in captivity? I know Himalayan Wolves are kept in captivity, but they are very, very rare. Since they are critically endangered, I would like to see more done to breed them in captivity. The only place I know that keeps them is the Himalayan Zoological Park. I know Mexican Wolves are kept on wildlife refuges, but I don't consider that captivity. They are critically endangered and I would like to see more breeding of them in captivity. Very few zoos currently keep them. They are mostly kept in refuges. I know the Minnesota Zoo has Mexican Wolves. The National Zoo has them, too. I believe the Arizona-Sonora Desert Museum has Mexican Wolves, too. But, they sure aren't common in captivity. Red Wolves are also rare in captivity. Most of them are kept on refuges. Technically, most are wild. I know the FWS still works with them to ensure their population is stable. I would like to see more of this critically endagered species being bred in captivity. I don't know of any zoos that keep Ethiopian Wolves. As far as I know, they are struggling to exist in the wild. They are critically endangered and barely hanging on. I would like to see them in captivity. Otherwise, they are going to go extinct. If captive breeding doesn't take place, the Ethiopian Wolf is doomed.
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Red and Mexican Wolves are quite common in zoos actually. Both the Beardsley Zoo here in Connecticut and the Roger Williams Park Zoo in Rhode Island keep Reds and Beardsley is about to get Mexicans as well! And the National Zoo no longer hold Mexicans. The Cincinnati and Columbus Zoos in Ohio both have Mexicans as well. The Himalayan Wolf is found in a few zoos within its native range though it's not sure whether it's an actually species, yet, or if it's just a population of Tibetan Wolves. Island Fox can be found in zoos in the Western U.S., Javan Leopard in a few European and native range zoos, and the Iberian Lynx can be found in quite a few zoos in Europe though only one publicly displays them. And I think wild breeding of Ethiopian Wolves has had some results and captive breeding may not be the answer. They certainly are not doomed yet. And IUCN ranks them as Endangered, not Critically Endangered.

~Thylo:cool:
 
A species I want actualy see in the wild ( I tried today ) and is not represented in any captive collection is the Cape-verdian sparrow. I even doubt there is any native Cape-verdian species kept in captivity !?
 
IMO giant squid and surtainly coelacanth should be left were they are now, in the wild. IMO - at least at the moment - there is no collection which can give these species proper housing and only to satisfy the ´need´ of some ´freaks´ ( I don't mean this negative ! ) I guess it's not the right reason to put such species on display.
The few captured coelacanth which were housed in aquaria only survaived for a very short time and to little is known about it's wild status to do experiments with them !
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Coelacanth have not been housed in aquaria. They have been caught and brought to the surface alive, but they die soon after. However, if caught properly and brought slowly to the surface (as now done with various other fish from depths, including well within the normal range for the coelacanth), I suspect the coelacanth could be housed in aquaria with larger deep water tanks. However, it should not be done simply because it is highly endangered (based on present knowledge) and the chance of breeding it in captivity is close to zero.

We've only recently managed to film a living giant squid. The chance of catching one for an aquarium is virtually zero. Additionally, it would likely require a massive, dark cold water tank even have a chance at surviving and based on experience with its smaller (but still very large) relative, the Humboldt squid, it probably wouldn't even survive short transport to an aquarium. Additionally, the giant may well be as short lived as other squids (incl. Humboldt), meaning that it, if caught as adult, likely only had a few months left of its natural life. In summary, the chance of seeing giant squid in captivity is probably smaller than the chance of seeing a blue whale in captivity = zero.
 
condor said:
We've only recently managed to film a living giant squid. The chance of catching one for an aquarium is virtually zero. Additionally, it would likely require a massive, dark cold water tank even have a chance at surviving and based on experience with its smaller (but still very large) relative, the Humboldt squid, it probably wouldn't even survive short transport to an aquarium. Additionally, the giant may well be as short lived as other squids (incl. Humboldt), meaning that it, if caught as adult, likely only had a few months left of its natural life. In summary, the chance of seeing giant squid in captivity is probably smaller than the chance of seeing a blue whale in captivity = zero.
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you probably know this and have forgotten, but Steve O'Shea (NZ teuthologist) has caught and kept baby giant squid (albeit not very successfully). The babies are found near the surface at night where they form a regular food for albatrosses.
 
thanks Chlidonias for the reminder. You are of course right, O'Shea caught and kept a baby ("paralarval") giant squid for a very short period – as far as I know, only some hours. Doubt they would have impressed most people when it comes to their size as they were more "tiny" than "giant", but nevertheless quite a remarkable feat by an extraordinary scientist.

On a somewhat related note there actually have been several expeditions that have tried to catch living coelacanths for Japanese and U.S. aquariums, but none got any and the most recent attempt was more than two decades ago. With current laws it would be very hard to get permits to deliberately catch coelacanth – at least the African species. In the last decade Japan's Aquamarine Fukushima has been strongly involved in work with both coelacanth species, but limited to studies of wild populations.
 
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The points people have raised against keeping giant squid are perfectly valid and reasonable. And yet I can't help but still want to see it happen.

And to be fair, when I said that I would like to see them in an aquarium in my lifetime, I meant that I would like for aquaria to have the technology and money necessary to keep them alive and well and hopefully breeding. In my lifetime.
 
vogelcommando said:
A species I want actualy see in the wild ( I tried today ) and is not represented in any captive collection is the Cape-verdian sparrow. I even doubt there is any native Cape-verdian species kept in captivity !?
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The sparrows that were in the Netherlands are probably caught a few days ago. There have been seen people with nets near the sparrows.
 
I would love to see the Brown Tinamou in captivity! Tepui Tinamous, too! I want them at my local zoo! I think they would make a great addition. It will probably never happen, but Cinereous Tinamous would be great, also. I would very much love to see them in a zoo. Berlepsch’s Tinamous would be another species I would like to see in captivity. As far as I know, none of these species are being kept in zoos anywhere. But, I doubt these will be species that will ever be taken into zoos. Oh, the Hooded Tinamou would be great, too. Again, I don’t know of any zoo that keeps them. But, I know that the most critical species should have priority. Anybody knows if any of these Tinamous are kept in captivity, as I don’t believe they are. Also, I’ve never heard of a Saharan Wild Dog! Another great species in captivity would be the Tawny-Breasted Tinamou!
 
I believe the Elegant Crested Tinamou is really the only one in public zoos but many private zoos have other tinamou species though I can't give you specifics.

~Thylo:cool:
 
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