South Lakes Wild Animal Park Worker mauled by tiger

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I thought the police had concluded there was no need for further investigation via the HSE?

Even with protocol, as a keeper, if you're tired or having an off day, it is sometimes possible to be convinced you've done something when you haven't. Like secure a gate. Especially when you're tired and what you did yesterday blends in with the same routine the following day. Usually you'd realise within seconds, obviously in this case there wasn't the luxury of time. Its reasonable to assume a mistake was made therefore, but possibly it would be more sensitive to describe your employee's actions in this way rather than to attribute blame.

I agree completely!

I think Mr. Gill is outspoken and completely insensitive. He should have remained silent until the results of the enquiries were known, even then he should have exercised some discretion.

I also disagree with the park remaining open! They should have closed as a mark of respect if nothing else.

I have a feeling there may be some capitalisation of this tragedy! the "man eating tiger"
 
.I have a feeling there may be some capitalisation of this tragedy! the "man eating tiger"

I sincerely hope this is not the case, I'm praying that even someone like David Gill won't cash in on a tragedy such as this. In an ideal world the tiger will be transferred out as soon as someone tries to use this as a money spinner.
Unfortunately I feel you may be right though Vulpes... :eek:
 
Its actually quite interesting to see how on one hand a certain zoo owner is placing all the blame on Miss McClay and in the next he is posting on a certain Social Media Platform that he has never made any such comments/statements. Im sure he could borrow one of the JCBs that are currently on site and dig an even bigger hole for himself.
 
I sincerely hope this is not the case, I'm praying that even someone like David Gill won't cash in on a tragedy such as this. In an ideal world the tiger will be transferred out as soon as someone tries to use this as a money spinner.
Unfortunately I feel you may be right though Vulpes... :eek:

I don't think even he is this callous, from what I have heard the Sumatran Tigers were not on show the day following the attack
 
I don't think even he is this callous, from what I have heard the Sumatran Tigers were not on show the day following the attack

Neither did I but the way he has blamed the keeper from the start is atrocious and I wonder if he will just see £££'s in his eyes rather than doing the sensible thing again.
I imagine his blame-game tactics may be a way of appeasing insurers and the local council but God has he gone the wrong way about it!
 
Would it not be far more respectful to air our comments after Ms McCly has been laid to rest?

The press are now rulling out suicide and we know that Mr Gill has shot his mouth off and behaved in a nasty, self-egotistic, disrespectful way. There is a past history with Mr Gill and it does not help when we all keep the flames burning and are just as guilty as others for the gossip and airing of views. Fueling the ego of Mr Gill only serves him and not a fallen member who was at work doing her job.

Today's Daily Record and other press are now correcting themselves over their poor hasty coverage, would it not serve a departed keeper respect, courtesy and to honour her rather than chit-chat, pick the bones of and add to the fire of what wll be a sad and difficult time for family and friends?
 
Would it not be far more respectful to air our coments after Ms McCly has been laid to rest?

The press are now rulling out suicide and we know that Mr Gill has shot his mouth off and behaved in a nasty, self-egotistic, disrespectful way. There is a past history with Mr Gill and it does not help when we all keep the flames burning and are just as guilty as others for the gossip and airing of views. Fueling the ego of Mr Gill only serves him and not fallen member who was at work doing her job.

Today's Daily Record and other press are now correcting themselves over their poor hasty coverage, would it not serve a departed keeper respect, courtesy ad to honour her rather than squak, pick the bones of and add to the fire of what wll be sad and difficult time for family and friends?

I personally refrained from commenting until more information came to light and my comments have only been about Gill and his scruples (or lack of). My thoughts are with Ms McClay's family at this tragic time.
I just can't help feeling that Gill may have a lot of grovelling to do to the family given his outbursts in the last few days.
 
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Neither did I but the way he has blamed the keeper from the start is atrocious and I wonder if he will just see £££'s in his eyes rather than doing the sensible thing again.
I imagine his blame-game tactics may be a way of appeasing insurers and the local council but God has he gone the wrong way about it!

The comments made by Mr Gill show a very calculating mind and behaviour trait. By saying what he has said, he is trying to sweep the blame away from himself and the park. This is something seen in children or adolecent teenagers. "It wasn't me Sir, it was him because?"; "I was not there so I don't know"; "my tools were not working today Sir, it was not me?" and so on. By trying to shift the blame he is making space, time and movement to gain for Insurance, cost of any litigation, laying a false path for others to follow. Such people as Mr Gill always get caught by their own lies and ego. I am sure there are other motives or his behaviour and in truth, money always talk. As I previously said, it serves no one really to keep bantering on about the why's and where-for's, they will come out in good time. Best if we all let Ms McClay and her family, friends and colleagues in peace and give time and espect to what is a very difficult time.
 
Keen observers of Mr Gill may be interested to read the reviews of his autobiography currently to be found on Amazon: [ame="http://www.amazon.co.uk/Nine-Lives-David-Stanley-Gill/dp/0957064519/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1369659309&sr=8-1&keywords=David+gill"]Nine Lives: Amazon.co.uk: David Stanley Gill: Books[/ame]. The general tone of these is, "quite simply the greatest book ever written; step back Dickens, give up Tolstoy, move away Flaubert - this is what the printing press was invented for....". Really quite extraordinary. The only dissenting voice is from (one of) his former partner(s). She is not so keen. Again, extraordinary to see this played out in the reviews section of Amazon. Quite a soap opera, really....
 
I hope Mr Gill now regrets his comments, but I think we should remember that he must have been suffering from shock when he made them. We should make some allowance for the awful experience that he had.
Of course we send our condolences to the family, friends and colleagues of Ms McClay. Out of respect to her, I think we should await the outcome of enquiries and the inquest before commenting further. I started this thread as soon as the news broke: I think this might be the right time to finish it.

Alan
 
Would it not be far more respectful to air our comments after Ms McCly has been laid to rest?
I would be inclined to agree if the comments on this thread were directed at Miss McClay. But, they are not. The general consensus appears to be that David Gill has too many inappropriate things to say on this tragic situation. Is it appropriate to discuss that now.
 
Keen observers of Mr Gill may be interested to read the reviews of his autobiography currently to be found on Amazon: Nine Lives: Amazon.co.uk: David Stanley Gill: Books. The general tone of these is, "quite simply the greatest book ever written; step back Dickens, give up Tolstoy, move away Flaubert - this is what the printing press was invented for....". Really quite extraordinary. The only dissenting voice is from (one of) his former partner(s). She is not so keen. Again, extraordinary to see this played out in the reviews section of Amazon. Quite a soap opera, really....
The reviews don't surprise me. The book might be well written and that could be because it was written by a ghost writer. The readers may know nothing about the author. They may be convinced he's wonderful beacause even though I haven't read the book, and have no intention of reading it, I'm quite sure Gill has told everyone how wonderful he is. The reviewers probably are not that discerning. If I read an autobiography I would certainly not be convinced solely on what they'd written about themselves without supporting evidence, especially it amounted to no more than self-flattery.
 
The reviews don't surprise me. The book might be well written and that could be because it was written by a ghost writer. The readers may know nothing about the author. They may be convinced he's wonderful beacause even though I haven't read the book, and have no intention of reading it, I'm quite sure Gill has told everyone how wonderful he is. The reviewers probably are not that discerning. If I read an autobiography I would certainly not be convinced solely on what they'd written about themselves without supporting evidence, especially it amounted to no more than self-flattery.

Dalton zoo owners recalls coming face to face with death (From The Westmorland Gazette)
 
BBC news webiste: 27 May 2013

Cumbria tiger attack: Sarah McClay 'dragged' into pen Sarah McClay died at Royal Preston Hospital Continue reading the main story
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Zoo worker hurt in tiger attack

A zoo keeper who died after being mauled by a tiger may have been "dragged" into a pen, police said.

Sarah McClay, 24, was attacked by a Sumatran tiger in an enclosure at South Lakes Wild Animal Park, near Dalton-in-Furness, Cumbria, on Friday.

Cumbria Police said a tiger escaped from its pen and attacked Ms McClay who was in a staff area.

Detectives said either "human or mechanical" error could have led to the tiger's escape.

Ms McClay was taken to Preston Royal Hospital where she died of head and neck injuries.

Park owner David Gill said after the attack there was "no reason" for Ms McClay to be in the enclosure with the tigers.

'No foul play'

Det Chief Insp Bob Qazi, of Cumbria Police, aid: "It is vitally important that we discover what exactly happened in the big cat enclosure building that led to Sarah coming into contact with the tiger.

"I want to emphasise there is no suggestion of any foul play or any issue of suicide or self-harm from the enquiries we have made and evidence we have.

"What has become apparent from our enquiries is that Sarah was going about her routine duties and was in the staff section of the enclosure building, which animals are not allowed access to, when a tiger has entered it from an adjacent pen and confronted her.

"The tiger has then attacked Sarah, taking her from the building into the open-air external enclosure area where Sarah was left and later attended by staff and paramedics.

The park's owner said Ms McClay passionate about her job. Tiger photo is a file image from Edinburgh Zoo
"We are still trying to establish exactly how and why the tiger has been able to get from the pen into the staff area and at the moment believe this to be because of a human or system error, or mechanical failing, or combination of both."

Police said compartments in the tiger enclosure were connected by lockable doors but systems in place to ensure staff and animals were kept apart had "failed".

Mr Gill said Ms McClay, who is originally from Glasgow, was a "very experienced" staff member who had worked with big cats and was "proficient and passionate" at her job.

Mr Gill described Ms McClay as a "bubbly, happy girl" and described her death as a "tragedy for her family and all the staff".

Park re-opened

After the attack the park was closed early and visitors evacuated from the area. It reopened on Saturday.

Mr Gill said: "The public were not at risk and we followed all our accident procedures to the letter.

"We had a meeting of all staff at 5.30pm and asked what they wanted. There was a huge consensus of opinion that we carry on.

"It would not do any good to close the park as there is no safety issue."

He said the Sumatran tiger, which has lived at the park for 10 years since it was a cub, would not be destroyed.

A statement released by Ms McClay's family thanked paramedics for their "valiant" efforts to save her.

The family has set up a donation site in her memory to support red squirrel conservation.

The statement said: "We'd like to thank you all for your kind words. We are still coming to terms with what has happened.

"We would like to take this opportunity to thank the valiant efforts of Cumbria Ambulance Service, the North West Air Ambulance and the Royal Preston Hospital.

"Investigations are ongoing and it may be some time before a full picture emerges of what happened and how this tragic accident came to pass."
Cumbria tiger attack: Sarah McClay 'dragged' into pen Sarah McClay died at Royal Preston Hospital Continue reading the main story
Related Stories
Zoo worker hurt in tiger attack

A zoo keeper who died after being mauled by a tiger may have been "dragged" into a pen, police said.

Sarah McClay, 24, was attacked by a Sumatran tiger in an enclosure at South Lakes Wild Animal Park, near Dalton-in-Furness, Cumbria, on Friday.

Cumbria Police said a tiger escaped from its pen and attacked Ms McClay who was in a staff area.

Detectives said either "human or mechanical" error could have led to the tiger's escape.

Ms McClay was taken to Preston Royal Hospital where she died of head and neck injuries.

Park owner David Gill said after the attack there was "no reason" for Ms McClay to be in the enclosure with the tigers.

'No foul play'

Det Chief Insp Bob Qazi, of Cumbria Police, aid: "It is vitally important that we discover what exactly happened in the big cat enclosure building that led to Sarah coming into contact with the tiger.

"I want to emphasise there is no suggestion of any foul play or any issue of suicide or self-harm from the enquiries we have made and evidence we have.

"What has become apparent from our enquiries is that Sarah was going about her routine duties and was in the staff section of the enclosure building, which animals are not allowed access to, when a tiger has entered it from an adjacent pen and confronted her.

"The tiger has then attacked Sarah, taking her from the building into the open-air external enclosure area where Sarah was left and later attended by staff and paramedics.

The park's owner said Ms McClay passionate about her job. Tiger photo is a file image from Edinburgh Zoo
"We are still trying to establish exactly how and why the tiger has been able to get from the pen into the staff area and at the moment believe this to be because of a human or system error, or mechanical failing, or combination of both."

Police said compartments in the tiger enclosure were connected by lockable doors but systems in place to ensure staff and animals were kept apart had "failed".

Mr Gill said Ms McClay, who is originally from Glasgow, was a "very experienced" staff member who had worked with big cats and was "proficient and passionate" at her job.

Mr Gill described Ms McClay as a "bubbly, happy girl" and described her death as a "tragedy for her family and all the staff".

Park re-opened

After the attack the park was closed early and visitors evacuated from the area. It reopened on Saturday.

Mr Gill said: "The public were not at risk and we followed all our accident procedures to the letter.

"We had a meeting of all staff at 5.30pm and asked what they wanted. There was a huge consensus of opinion that we carry on.

"It would not do any good to close the park as there is no safety issue."

He said the Sumatran tiger, which has lived at the park for 10 years since it was a cub, would not be destroyed.

A statement released by Ms McClay's family thanked paramedics for their "valiant" efforts to save her.

The family has set up a donation site in her memory to support red squirrel conservation.

The statement said: "We'd like to thank you all for your kind words. We are still coming to terms with what has happened.

"We would like to take this opportunity to thank the valiant efforts of Cumbria Ambulance Service, the North West Air Ambulance and the Royal Preston Hospital.

"Investigations are ongoing and it may be some time before a full picture emerges of what happened and how this tragic accident came to pass."
 
Neither did I but the way he has blamed the keeper from the start is atrocious and I wonder if he will just see £££'s in his eyes rather than doing the sensible thing again.

I honestly expected comments like the ones he made from the get-go but I believe even Mr. Gill is Human enough not to use the "man-eating tiger" publicity stunt.

~Thylo:cool:
 
Going through the comments made by Mr Gill both via the press, to news stations and radio as well as on FB. his comments do change and he has made numerous coments that differ on each occassion. Either he does not know or rembember what he has said or he does know and tries in vain in correcting himself. However, the excuse mentioned about him from Gentle Lemur : "but I think we should remember that he must have been suffering from shock when he made them. We should make some allowance for the awful experience that he had. but I think we should remember that he must have been suffering from shock when he made them. We should make some allowance for the awful experience that he had." That is just an excuse...having gone through something of a simlar incident at Edinburgh Zoo back in 1988 and having also gone through other experiences, and I am sure others here have also gone through some as well. Shock as mentioned, no chance. Mr Gill was calm, collected and very methodical with his terms of words used and I beg to differ about shock and how he "might be" in shock.

The comments made by Mr Gill show a very calculating mind and behaviour trait. By saying what he has said, he is trying to sweep the blame away from himself and the park. This is something seen in children or adolecent teenagers. "It wasn't me Sir, it was him because?"; "I was not there so I don't know"; "my tools were not working today Sir, it was not me?" and so on. By trying to shift the blame he is making space, time and movement to gain for Insurance, cost of any litigation, laying a false path for others to follow. Such people as Mr Gill always get caught by their own lies and ego. I am sure there are other motives or his behaviour and in truth, money always talk. At the end of the day, Mr Gill has a business to run and being a business that attracts the public to part wth moneythen money will always be an issue whither we like it or not! ...As I previously said, it serves no one really to keep bantering on about the why's and where-for's, they will come out in good time. Best if we all let Ms McClay and her family, friends and colleagues in peace and give time and respect to what is a very difficult time.
 
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