North American zoos that have successfully bred Takin & Puerto Rican crested frogs...

ungulate nerd said:
Where and how did you find this information ?
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From the International Zoo Yearbook.

The one I am reading at the moment is volume 13 (1973) which records births of American Moose at Madison (USA) 1.2 ; Milwaukee (USA)1.0; Quebec (Canada) 1.0

In Europe thy were recorded as breeding at Rotterdam (Netherlands) (1 D.N.S.) and Whipsnade (GB) 1.1
 
ungulate nerd said:
And also one more thing about Takins, I know the Denver Zoo had Mishmi takins, they were phased out and there paddock was demolished to make way for Toyota Elephant Passage, I have no idea wether the Denver Zoo bred them, does anybody know ?
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You are most certainly right. Denver bred Mishmi Takins in the early 2000's.
 
bongorob said:
From the International Zoo Yearbook.

The one I am reading at the moment is volume 13 (1973) which records births of American Moose at Madison (USA) 1.2 ; Milwaukee (USA)1.0; Quebec (Canada) 1.0

In Europe thy were recorded as breeding at Rotterdam (Netherlands) (1 D.N.S.) and Whipsnade (GB) 1.1
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Thanks bongorob, the International Zoo Yearbook series is something I really want to purchase !!!, It would be very nice to have every volume from 1960 to now, any idea how I can purchase those or where to get those ?
 
Pacarana said:
You are most certainly right. Denver bred Mishmi Takins in the early 2000's.
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I wish they still had Mishmi takins, I do not like Toyota Elephant Passage because I think that space was better used for Mishmi takins, Waterbucks, Musk ox and other ungulates they had in that spot, also why are Mishmi takins being phased out of AZA ?
 
Also currently the places in the United States that have Mishmi takins are Iron Mountain Ranch aka Peace Reserve in Texas and also Metro Richmond Zoo
 
ungulate nerd said:
Thanks bongorob, the International Zoo Yearbook series is something I really want to purchase !!!, It would be very nice to have every volume from 1960 to now, any idea how I can purchase those or where to get those ?
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you can buy most of the volumes from NHBS: International Zoo Yearbooks: NHBS

If you want bargains, then do google searches for each volume and see if you can find second-hand ones on sale sites.
 
ungulate nerd said:
I wish they still had Mishmi takins, I do not like Toyota Elephant Passage because I think that space was better used for Mishmi takins, Waterbucks, Musk ox and other ungulates they had in that spot, also why are Mishmi takins being phased out of AZA ?
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Because, like with so many other species with multiple subspecies in U.S. zoos, the AZA decided to focus on one subspecies and only one subspecies. The tiger and, to a lesser extant, the Black Rhinoceros is really the only exception here.

~Thylo:cool:
 
I wish ISIS were still available to the public! I know the Edmonton Valley Zoo has bred Takin. I think the Lincoln Park Zoo has too. I think Saint Louis has, but I’m not sure. I know Calgary has. I hope this helps a bit. Those are the only zoos I know of that have bred Takin. I’m sure there are more. I don’t know which zoos in Europe have. Also, I think the Denver Zoo has bred Takin. Maybe Toronto, but I could be mistaken. Oh, and The Wilds has bred Takin, I’m almost sure of it! Okay, I think that is all I can think of right now. Oh, and the San Diego Zoo!
 
ostrich said:
I wish ISIS were still available to the public!Oh, and The Wilds has bred Takin, I’m almost sure of it!
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I believe they are working on making it public again. I'd really love it if they could put out some data from the years they are closed.

The Wilds recently had 4 calves born. I'm sure the Smithsonian Conservation Biology Institute (SCBI) has bred Taken.

~Thylo:cool:
 
I sure hope so! I miss ISIS soooooo much! I thought The Wilds was breeding takin! I didn't know that SCBI was breeding takin, though.
 
ostrich said:
I sure hope so! I miss ISIS soooooo much! I thought The Wilds was breeding takin! I didn't know that SCBI was breeding takin, though.
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I know SCBI has Sichuan Takins, don't know if they've bred them yet, though. It's a breeding facility so I'd hope so.

I don't remember if it has been mentioned already but the Cincinnati Zoo has bred Takins.

~Thylo:cool:
 
Now, is the Sichuan Takin a subspecies are a completely separate species from other Takin? I would love it if they bred them! I didn't know the Cincinnati Zoo had Takins, either. Which species/subspecies do they have?
 
ostrich said:
Now, is the Sichuan Takin a subspecies are a completely separate species from other Takin? I would love it if they bred them! I didn't know the Cincinnati Zoo had Takins, either. Which species/subspecies do they have?
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The Sichuan Takin is a subspecies of Takin. All AZA zoos in the U.S. have Sichuan Takin including the Cincinnati Zoo. Denver did have Mishmi Takin for a while, though. I believe that's the one they bred, too.

~Thylo:cool:
 
ostrich said:
Now, is the Sichuan Takin a subspecies are a completely separate species from other Takin?
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Until recently I always thought that there was one species of takin with four sub-species:-

• Mishmi takin Budorcas taxicolor taxicolor
• golden takin Budorcas taxicolor bedfordi
• Sichuan takin Budorcas taxicolor tibetanus
• White’s (or Bhutan) takin Budorcas taxicolor whitei

However, Colin Groves considers that all four forms of takin are distinct species.

i.e. the Sichuan takin is now Budorcas tibetanus

References:-

• Ungulate Taxonomy (Colin Groves and Peter Grubb; 2011)
• Handbook of the Mammals of the World Volume 2 (2011)
 
yeah but he also probably considers the males and females to be separate species as well, so there's actually eight species :p
 
ostrich said:
Okay, thanks. So, kind of like Tigers? Good to know!
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Well the thing with tigers is they're starting to think that the Sumatran Tiger is a separate species and the Javan Tiger is also a separate species with the Bali Tiger being a subspecies. All the mainland subspecies are thought to be just that, subspecies of the Tiger.

~Thylo:cool:
 
The Queens Zoo has bred Puerto Rican crested frogs in an area not accessible to the public.
 
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