Tigers, Lions, & Leopards OH, MY! (Big Cats)

Arizona Docent said:
They don't have them anymore? Last I had seen, they were up to four? In fact another cat loving ZooChatter who occasionally PM's me recently tried to get in to see them and could not gain admittance to this private facility, but I was under the definite impression they are still there.

There is still, as far as I know, at least one in Thailand (the zoo name escapes me at the moment - it may even be earlier on this thread which I am too lazy to re-read). A few years ago I had seen a marbled cat held also at a very nice looking native wildlife park in India, but I think it is no longer there. I want to photograph a marbled cat about as badly as some ZooChatters want to see a thylacine. (And I fear may chances may be just about the same).
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See, that sounds promising - I very deeply hope that I am wrong. My belief they no longer have them is predicated on the fact that in 2008 ISIS recorded one place in UAE as holding 1.1 marbled cats, and in 2011 this listing had been removed. If the collection you are referring to is non-ISIS, and received their animals from the ISIS collection - or alternatively the collection withdrew from ISIS - this could reconcile both accounts.

As I noted, I dearly hope there *are* marbled cats being bred, as I very much would love to see and photograph one myself.
 
I know this thread is pretty much dead but I thought I'd post an updated species list of felines I've seen:
-Cougar (ssp cougar)
-Snow Leopard
-Lion (ssp krugeri)
-Tiger (ssp jacksoni)
-Tiger (ssp altaica)
-Tiger (generic)
-Sumatran Tiger
-Cheetah (ssp jubatus)
-Leopard (generic)
-Clouded Leopard
-Ocelot (ssp mitis)
-Ocelot (generic)
-Fishing Cat
-Caracal (ssp caracal)
-Canada Lynx (ssp canadensis)
-Canada Lynx
-Bobcat
-Bobcat (ssp... whatever the wild ssp in my area is, I think it's rufus)
-Eurasian Lynx (ssp wrangeli)
-Pallas's Cat (ssp manul)
-Pallas's Cat
-Black-Footed Cat
-Sand Cat (ssp harrisoni)
-Domestic Cat

~Thylo:cool:
 
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Here is my current list:

South African Cheetah Acinonyx jubatus jubatus
Sudanese Cheetah Acinonyx jubatus soemmeringii
Caracal Caracal caracal
Southern Caracal Caracal caracal caracal
Asiatic Golden Cat Catopuma temmincki
Domestic Cat Felis catus
Jungle Cat Felis chaus
Arabian Sand Cat Felis margarita harrisoni
Arabian Wild Cat Felis silvestris gordoni
European Wild Cat Felis silvestris silvestris
Serval Leptailurus serval
Geoffrey's Cat Leopardus geoffroyi
Ocelot Leopardus pardalis
Oncilla Leopardus tigrinus
Margay Leopardus wieldii
Canada Lynx Lynx canadensis
Central Asian Lynx Lynx lynx isabellensis
European Lynx Lynx lynx lynx
Bobcat Lynx rufus
Clouded Leopard Neofelis nebulosa
Pallas's Cat Otocolobus manul
Angolan Lion Panthera leo bleyenberghi
South African Lion Panthera leo krugeri
Asian Lion Panthera leo persica
West African Lion Panthera leo senegalensis
Jaguar Panthera onca
North Chinese Leopard Panthera pardus japonensis
Sri Lankan Leopard Panthera pardus kotiya
Javan Leopard Panthera pardus melas
Amur Leopard Panthera pardus orientalis
African Leopard Panthera pardus pardus
Persian Leopard Panthera pardus saxicolor
Amur Tiger Panthera tigris altaica
Indochinese Tiger Panthera tigris corbetti
Malayan Tiger Panthera tigris jacksoni
Sumatran Tiger Panthera tigris sumatrae
Leopard Cat Prionailurus bengalensis
Bengal Leopard Cat Prionailurus bengalensis bengalensis
Amur Leopard Cat Prionailurus bengalensis euptilurus
Sri Lankan Rusty Spotted Cat Prionailurus rubiginosus phillipsi
Fishing Cat Prionailurus viverrinus
North American Puma Puma concolor cougar
Jaguarundi Puma yagouaroundi
Snow Leopard Uncia uncia
 
hmm, lists.....
tiger
lion
jaguar
leopard
snow leopard
regular clouded leopard
Bornean clouded leopard
cheetah
domestic cat
fishing cat
leopard cat
flat-headed cat
Asiatic golden cat
serval
caracal
bobcat
puma
ocelot

and probably some others. I don't keep zoo animal lists so I don't remember them all. They had a Geoffroy's cat at Wellington Zoo when I first visited there, but I didn't see it because it was hiding.
 
Domestic Cat
Black-footed Cat (Frankfurt)
Pallas' Cat (Adelaide)
Rusty-spotted Cat (Frankfurt)
Fishing Cat (Taronga, Gorge)
Serval (Taronga, Melbourne, Jersey, Frankfurt, Adelaide, Honolulu)
Caracal (Melbourne, Taronga, Frankfurt, Los Angeles)
Eurasian Lynx (Hamburg, Dahlholzli, Toronto)
Bobcat (Taronga, San Francisco, Melbourne, Gorge, ASDM)
Puma (Melbourne, Taronga, Hamburg, Los Angeles, National Zoo Canberra)
Jaguarundi (Taronga)
Ocelot (Melbourne, Belize)
Margay (London, Belize)
Cheetah (Taronga, Western Plains Zoo, SDWAP, Jersey, Artis, Toronto, Audubon Park, San Diego, National Zoo Canberra, Monarto, Werribee, Kuwait, Honolulu)
King Cheetah (SDWAP, National Zoo Canberra, Western Plains Zoo)
Clouded Leopard (Taronga, Frankfurt, Los Angeles, San Diego)
Snow Leopard (Taronga, San Francisco, Basle, Zurich, Jersey, Los Angeles, Brookfield, Toronto, Ross Park, San Diego)
Leopard (Taronga, African Lion Safari, Chessington, Cologne, Frankfurt, Gorge)
Persian Leopeard P.p.saxicolor (Bristol, Adelaide)
Chinese Leopard P.p.japonensis (Hamburg, Toronto)
Jaguar (Taronga, Frankfurt, Toronto, Wildlife World, Belize, Auckland)
Lion (at 31 different zoos, including 3 with White Lions)
Cape Lion P.l.leo (Frankfurt Zoo)
Asiatic Lion P.l.persica (Zurich)
Liger/Tigon (African Wildlife Safari, National Zoo Canberra)
Tiger (at 22 different zoos, including 5 with White Tigers)
Sumatran Tiger P.t.sumatrae (Frankfurt, San Diego, Taronga, Adelaide, Symbio, Wellington, Honolulu, Western Plains Zoo)

That's all I have records of; I've probably seen some at more zoos than listed. I know I've seen Siberian Tigers at a few places but never took photos.

And I've never seen a cat in the wild (apart from feral cats)

:p

Hix
 
Hix said:
Domestic Cat
Black-footed Cat (Frankfurt)
Pallas' Cat (Adelaide)
Rusty-spotted Cat (Frankfurt)
Fishing Cat (Taronga, Gorge)
Serval (Taronga, Melbourne, Jersey, Frankfurt, Adelaide, Honolulu)
Caracal (Melbourne, Taronga, Frankfurt, Los Angeles)
Eurasian Lynx (Hamburg, Dahlholzli, Toronto)
Bobcat (Taronga, San Francisco, Melbourne, Gorge, ASDM)
Puma (Melbourne, Taronga, Hamburg, Los Angeles, National Zoo Canberra)
Jaguarundi (Taronga)
Ocelot (Melbourne, Belize)
Margay (London, Belize)
Cheetah (Taronga, Western Plains Zoo, SDWAP, Jersey, Artis, Toronto, Audubon Park, San Diego, National Zoo Canberra, Monarto, Werribee, Kuwait, Honolulu)
King Cheetah (SDWAP, National Zoo Canberra, Western Plains Zoo)
Clouded Leopard (Taronga, Frankfurt, Los Angeles, San Diego)
Snow Leopard (Taronga, San Francisco, Basle, Zurich, Jersey, Los Angeles, Brookfield, Toronto, Ross Park, San Diego)
Leopard (Taronga, African Lion Safari, Chessington, Cologne, Frankfurt, Gorge)
Persian Leopeard P.p.saxicolor (Bristol, Adelaide)
Chinese Leopard P.p.japonensis (Hamburg, Toronto)
Jaguar (Taronga, Frankfurt, Toronto, Wildlife World, Belize, Auckland)
Lion (at 31 different zoos, including 3 with White Lions)
Cape Lion P.l.leo (Frankfurt Zoo)
Asiatic Lion P.l.persica (Zurich)
Liger/Tigon (African Wildlife Safari, National Zoo Canberra)
Tiger (at 22 different zoos, including 5 with White Tigers)
Sumatran Tiger P.t.sumatrae (Frankfurt, San Diego, Taronga, Adelaide, Symbio, Wellington, Honolulu, Western Plains Zoo)

That's all I have records of; I've probably seen some at more zoos than listed. I know I've seen Siberian Tigers at a few places but never took photos.

And I've never seen a cat in the wild (apart from feral cats)

:p

Hix
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Pallas' Cat at Adelaide! How long ago was that? And a few other nice species now absent from Oz/on the way out.
 
zooboy28 said:
How is 30 years not a long time??? Unless you still remember when the world was flat... :p

Any ideas on where the cats originated from, or when they arrived? Or numbers? Or any other Australasian zoos that held them? Surely no NZ zoos?
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I don't know about the 1984 cat in Hix's photo (unless he got the year wrong) but in 1986 one arrived from Chicago's Brookfield Zoo, swapped for an Adelaide-bred polar bear.
 
It was definitely 1984, I was attending the ASZK Conference there. I know nothing about its origins or disposition.

:p

Hix
 
Hix said:
It was definitely 1984, I was attending the ASZK Conference there. I know nothing about its origins or disposition.
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no, I didn't think you would have got the date wrong. I would make a guess that the 1986 one was obtained as a mate for the one you saw.

Just as an aside, the polar bear is the one named Aussie who was mentioned recently on the Gold Coast Sea World thread about their polar bear birth.
 
My small felid species list, all seen in Ekaterinburg zoo (some species are no more kept here):
African lion
Amur tiger
Bengal white tiger
Amur leopard
Cheetah
Jaguar (melanistic & normal)
Snow leopard
Cougar
Caracal
Serval
Amur wildcat
African wildcat
Siberian lynx
Chaus
Fishing cat
 
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Yay! Lists!

Here's mine:

Acinonyx jubatus jubatus - South African Cheetah
Acinonyx jubatus soemmerringii - North-East African Cheetah
Acinonyx jubatus f. rex - King Cheetah
Caracal caracal - Caracal
Caracal caracal damarensis - Damara Caracal
Caracal caracal caracal - South African Caracal
Catopuma temminckii dominicarum - Chinese Golden Cat
Catopuma temminckii temminckii - South-east Asian Golden Cat
Catopuma temminckii tristis - Tibetan Golden Cat
Felis catus - Domestic Cat
Felis chaus - Jungle Cat
Felis manul - Pallas' Cat
Felis margarita harrisoni - Arabian Sand Cat
Felis nigripes - Black-footed Cat
Felis silvestris gordoni - Gordon's Cat
Felis silvestris grampia - Scottish Wild Cat
Felis silvestris lybica - African Wild Cat
Felis silvestris ornata - Indian Desert Cat
Felis silvestris silvestris - European Wild Cat
Herpailurus yagouaroundi - Jaguarundi
Leopardus geoffroyi - Geoffroy's Cat
Leopardus pardalis - Ocelot
Leopardus pardalis mitis - Brazilian Ocelot
Leopardus tigrinus - Oncilla
Leopardus wiedi yucatanicus - Yucatan Margay
Leptailurus serval - Serval
Lynx canadensis - Canadian Lynx
Lynx lynx - Northern Lynx
Lynx lynx carpathicus - Carpathian Lynx
Lynx lynx kozlowi - Baikal Lynx
Lynx lynx lynx - European Lynx
Lynx lynx wardi - Altai Lynx
Lynx rufus - Bobcat
Lynx wrangeli - Siberian Lynx
Prionailurus bengalensis bengalensis - Indochinese Leopard Cat
Prionailurus bengalensis euptilura - Amur Leopard Cat
Prionailurus planiceps - Flat-headed Cat
Prionailurus rubiginosus phillipsi - Sri Lankan Rusty-spotted Cat
Prionailurus viverrinus - Fishing Cat
Puma concolor - Puma
Puma concolor missoulensis - Missouri Puma
Puma concolor puma - Chilean Puma
Neofelis nebulosa - Indochinese Clouded Leopard
Panthera leo - African Lion
Panthera leo bleyenberghi - Angolan Lion
Panthera leo krugeri - South African Lion
Panthera leo leo - Barbary Lion
Panthera leo persica - Asian Lion
Panthera leo vernayi - Kalahari Lion
Panthera leo x P. tigris - Liger
Panthera onca - Jaguar
Panthera onca onca - South American Jaguar
Panthera pardus - Leopard
Panthera pardus delacouri - Indochinese Leopard
Panthera pardus fusca - Indian Leopard
Panthera pardus japonensis - North China Leopard
Panthera pardus kotiya - Sri Lankan Leopard
Panthera pardus 'melanotica' - 'South African' Leopard
Panthera pardus melas - Javan Leopard
Panthera pardus orientalis - Amur Leopard
Panthera pardus saxicolor - Persian Leopard
Panthera tigris - Tiger
Panthera tigris altaica - Amur Tiger
Panthera tigris corbetti - Indochinese Tiger
Panthera tigris jacksoni - Malayan Tiger
Panthera tigris sumatrae - Sumatran Tiger
Panthera tigris 'tigris' - 'Bengal' Tiger
Panthera (Uncia) uncia - Snow Leopard


One or two of the subspecies are no longer recognised but I've kept them as labelled for reference. The two in inverted commas are 'as labelled but I don't for a moment believe them'. ;)

Most recent additions to the list were surprisingly big ones - P. t. corbetti in Hanoi and Saigon and P. c. puma in Bremerhaven.
 
My list is not quite as impressive..... but I'm still quite pleased with it.

Acinonyx jubatus jubatus - South African Cheetah
Acinonyx jubatus soemmerringii - North-East African Cheetah
Caracal caracal - Caracal
Caracal caracal damarensis - Damara Caracal
Catopuma temminckii dominicarum - Chinese Golden Cat
Catopuma temminckii tristis - Tibetan Golden Cat
Felis catus - Domestic Cat
Felis chaus - Jungle Cat
Felis manul - Pallas' Cat
Felis margarita harrisoni - Arabian Sand Cat
Felis nigripes - Black-footed Cat
Felis silvestris grampia - Scottish Wild Cat
Felis silvestris lybica - African Wild Cat
Felis silvestris ornata - Indian Desert Cat
Felis silvestris silvestris - European Wild Cat
Herpailurus yagouaroundi - Jaguarundi
Leopardus geoffroyi - Geoffroy's Cat
Leopardus pardalis - Ocelo
Leopardus tigrinus - Oncilla
Leopardus wiedi yucatanicus - Yucatan Margay
Leptailurus serval - Serval
Lynx lynx - Eurasian Lynx
Lynx lynx carpathicus - Carpathian Lynx
Lynx lynx lynx - Northern Lynx
Lynx wrangeli - Siberian Lynx
Prionailurus bengalensis bengalensis - Indochinese Leopard Cat
Prionailurus bengalensis euptilura - Amur Leopard Cat
Prionailurus rubiginosus phillipsi - Sri Lankan Rusty-spotted Cat
Prionailurus viverrinus - Fishing Cat
Puma concolor - Puma
Neofelis nebulosa - Indochinese Clouded Leopard
Panthera leo - African Lion
Panthera leo leo - "Barbary" Lion
Panthera leo persica - Asian Lion
Panthera onca - Jaguar
Panthera pardus - Leopard
Panthera pardus japonensis - North China Leopard
Panthera pardus 'pardus' - 'African' Leopard
Panthera pardus orientalis - Amur Leopard
Panthera tigris - Tiger
Panthera tigris altaica - Amur Tiger
Panthera tigris sumatrae - Sumatran Tiger
Panthera tigris 'tigris' - 'Bengal' Tiger
Panthera (Uncia) uncia - Snow Leopard

Although if I hadn't been using Maguari's list as a basis for my own, I would have identified the Asian Golden Cat as Pardofelis, not Catopuma.
 
TeaLovingDave said:
Although if I hadn't been using Maguari's list as a basis for my own, I would have identified the Asian Golden Cat as Pardofelis, not Catopuma.
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There's a debate to be had with Herpailurus vs. Puma as well.
 
Maguari said:
Yay! Lists!

Acinonyx jubatus f. rex - King Cheetah

Lynx wrangeli - Siberian Lynx

Puma concolor missoulensis - Missouri Puma

Panthera tigris sumatrae - Sumatran Tiger
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Nice! I hope to get King Cheetah one day myself. Since there's one kept not too far away in a private collection that accepts volunteers quite readily, I hope to get that animal within the next two years along with getting my first zoo keeper experience.

Is the Siberian Lynx considered its own species now?

The Missouri Puma is considered to be the same as P. c. cougar now.

I believe the Sumatran Tiger is believed to be a separate species now (though TLD could tell you more about that than I!)

TeaLovingDave said:
My list is not quite as impressive..... but I'm still quite pleased with it.

Acinonyx jubatus soemmerringii - North-East African Cheetah
Catopuma temminckii dominicarum - Chinese Golden Cat
Catopuma temminckii tristis - Tibetan Golden Cat
Felis chaus - Jungle Cat
Felis silvestris grampia - Scottish Wild Cat
Felis silvestris lybica - African Wild Cat
Felis silvestris ornata - Indian Desert Cat
Felis silvestris silvestris - European Wild Cat
Herpailurus yagouaroundi - Jaguarundi
Leopardus geoffroyi - Geoffroy's Cat
Leopardus tigrinus - Oncilla
Leopardus wiedi yucatanicus - Yucatan Margay
Leptailurus serval - Serval
Lynx lynx carpathicus - Carpathian Lynx
Lynx lynx lynx - Northern Lynx
Prionailurus bengalensis bengalensis - Indochinese Leopard Cat
Prionailurus bengalensis euptilura - Amur Leopard Cat
Prionailurus rubiginosus phillipsi - Sri Lankan Rusty-spotted Cat
Panthera leo leo - "Barbary" Lion
Panthera leo persica - Asian Lion
Panthera onca - Jaguar
Panthera pardus japonensis - North China Leopard
Panthera pardus 'pardus' - 'African' Leopard
Panthera pardus orientalis - Amur Leopard
Panthera tigris 'tigris' - 'Bengal' Tiger
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How dare you say your list is not that impressive and then taunt me with those species!:p



You better be pleased with it....


By the way, add Caracal caracal damarensis to my list.

~Thylo:cool:
 
ThylacineAlive said:
Is the Siberian Lynx considered its own species now?
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I believe the Sumatran Tiger is believed to be a separate species now (though TLD could tell you more about that than I!)
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I suspect the lynx was a misprint. As for the tiger, it's still under debate :p
 
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