Tigers, Lions, & Leopards OH, MY! (Big Cats)

TeaLovingDave said:
I suspect the lynx was a misprint. As for the tiger, it's still under debate :p
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No, just further evidence that I need to review the taxonomy on the list. The last time I reviewed Lynx was years ago and the felid sources I could find were being hyper-splitty.
 
Good thing you haven't seen Iriomote Cat then, as you'd have probably put that into Mayailurus! Also for the more pertinent reason that if you saw one of those you'd be lynched by every zoochatter with an interest in small carnivores ;)

A visit to the two Berlin collections will not only get me a lot of the feline ticks you have over me.... as well as two feline ticks you lack ;)
 
TeaLovingDave said:
Good thing you haven't seen Iriomote Cat then, as you'd have probably put that into Mayailurus! Also for the more pertinent reason that if you saw one of those you'd be lynched by every zoochatter with an interest in small carnivores ;)
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It was that kind of era - everything in its own genus and an extra half-dozen species. I also had P. sumatrae as a species at that point but I relegated when I last reviewed Panthera (itself an good four or five years ago).

I'm currently sorting through a backlog on my photo records but will be reviewing the taxonomy of both the sightings and 'photo'd' lists when that is done.


TeaLovingDave said:
A visit to the two Berlin collections will not only get me a lot of the feline ticks you have over me.... as well as two feline ticks you lack ;)
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Further to what Shorts said, not only is it not a competition but you're trying to compete with hypothetical taxon sightings - surely not sensible! :D

I am actually planning Berlin for next year - the top draw for me is Chacoan Peccary (as I should hopefully have seen Gerenuk by then - a new antelope would otherwise automatically win out!) but the opportunity to see a new subspecies each of Leopard Cat and Margay is very welcome - if the Margays look like their Zootierliste illustration then they in particular are absolute little beauties.
 
Maguari said:
It was that kind of era - everything in its own genus and an extra half-dozen species. I also had P. sumatrae as a species at that point but I relegated when I last reviewed Panthera (itself an good four or five years ago).
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Indeed - the literature from the early 90's tended to either split all the feline genera into something approaching 30 monotypic genera, or lump them to the extreme of having as few as 3 genera, Felis, Acinonyx and Panthera. Of course, the prize for the weirdest combination of lumping and splitting goes to the source - cannot recall what at this moment - which lumped all the small cats into Felis, but kept Mayailurus seperate!

I much prefer the following list of genera, which does a good job of evenly dividing between lumping and splitting.

Panthera - 5 species
Neofelis - 2 species
Pardofelis - 3 species
Leptailurus - 1 species
Caracal - 2 species
Leopardus - 7 species
Lynx - 2 species
Puma - 2 species
Acinonyx - 1 species
Prionailurus - 4 species
Otocolobus - 1 species
Felis - 4 species
 
I will post up my list when I've worked it all out from where I've been and what they had and what I remember! I never used to write anything down and now I wish I had.

I can say I have definitely seen a King Cheetah though :D
 
ThylacineAlive said:
You really do like to kill me with that, don't you:p
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yes yes I do :D

anyway here is my list (may have missed a few I did check ZTL for the one or two I wasn't sure on) and I'm not putting species name it takes too long!

King Cheetah
South African Cheetah
Jaguar
Caracal (C.c.c)
Scottish Wild Cat
African Wild Cat (F.s.l)
Southern African Wild Cat (F.s.c)
Serval
Fishing Cat
Carpathian Lynx (L.l.c)
Northern lynx (L.l.l)
Asiatic Lion
African Lion
Sumatran Tiger
Amur Tiger
Snow Leopard
North Chinese Leopard
Pallas Cat
Clouded Leopard
Indian Desert Cat
Ocelot
Amur Leopard
Geoffroy’s Cat
 
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Here's my list:
Panthera leo- Generic Lion (Southwick's Zoo, Naples Zoo)
Panthera leo krugeri- South African Lion (Bronx Zoo, Busch Gardens Tampa Bay, Naples Zoo, Smithsonian's National Zoo)
Panthera pardus- Generic Leopard (Bronx Zoo, Naples Zoo)
Panthera pardus orientalis- Amur Leopard (Connecticut's Beardsley Zoo)
Panthera tigris- Generic Tiger (Southwick's Zoo, Busch Gardens Tampa Bay, Lowry Park Zoo)
Panthera tigris altaica- Amur Tiger (Connecticut's Beardsley Zoo, Bronx Zoo)
Panthera tigris jacksoni- Malayan Tiger (Bronx Zoo, Naples Zoo)
Panthera tigris sumatrae- Sumatran Tiger (Smithsonian's National Zoo)
Panthera/Uncia uncia- Snow Leopard (Bronx Zoo, Central Park Zoo, Roger Williams Park Zoo)
Neofelis nebulosa- Clouded Leopard (Tampa's Lowry Park Zoo, Smithsonian's National Zoo)
Leptailurus serval- Serval (Busch Gardens Tampa Bay)
Caracal caracal- Caracal (Shell Factory and Nature Park)
Leopardus pardalis mitis- Brazilian Ocelot (Connecticut's Beardsley Zoo)
Lynx canadensis- Canada Lynx (Connecticut's Beardsley Zoo)
Lynx rufus- Bobcat (Shell Factory and Nature Park, Connecticut's Beardsley Zoo, ZooAmerica)
Puma concolor couguar- North American Cougar (Tampa's Lowry Park Zoo, ZooAmerica)
Acinonyx jubatus jubatus- South African Cheetah (Busch Gardens Tampa Bay, Smithsonian's National Zoo)
Prionailurus viverrinus- Fishing Cat (Smithsonian's National Zoo)
Felis margarita- Sand Cat (Bronx Zoo)
Felis catus- Domestic Cat (Pets, Feral, Connecticut's Beardsley Zoo)
 
BeardsleyZooFan said:
Here's my list:
Panthera leo- Generic Lion (Southwick's Zoo, Naples Zoo)
Panthera leo krugeri- South African Lion (Bronx Zoo, Busch Gardens Tampa Bay, Naples Zoo, Smithsonian's National Zoo)
Panthera pardus- Generic Leopard (Bronx Zoo, Naples Zoo)
Panthera pardus orientalis- Amur Leopard (Connecticut's Beardsley Zoo)
Panthera tigris- Generic Tiger (Southwick's Zoo, Busch Gardens Tampa Bay, Lowry Park Zoo)
Panthera tigris altaica- Amur Tiger (Connecticut's Beardsley Zoo, Bronx Zoo)
Panthera tigris jacksoni- Malayan Tiger (Bronx Zoo, Naples Zoo)
Panthera tigris sumatrae- Sumatran Tiger (Smithsonian's National Zoo)
Panthera/Uncia uncia- Snow Leopard (Bronx Zoo, Central Park Zoo, Roger Williams Park Zoo)
Neofelis nebulosa- Clouded Leopard (Tampa's Lowry Park Zoo, Smithsonian's National Zoo)
Leptailurus serval- Serval (Busch Gardens Tampa Bay)
Caracal caracal- Caracal (Shell Factory and Nature Park)
Leopardus pardalis mitis- Brazilian Ocelot (Connecticut's Beardsley Zoo)
Lynx canadensis- Canada Lynx (Connecticut's Beardsley Zoo)
Lynx rufus- Bobcat (Shell Factory and Nature Park, Connecticut's Beardsley Zoo, ZooAmerica)
Puma concolor couguar- North American Cougar (Tampa's Lowry Park Zoo, ZooAmerica)
Acinonyx jubatus jubatus- South African Cheetah (Busch Gardens Tampa Bay, Smithsonian's National Zoo)
Prionailurus viverrinus- Fishing Cat (Smithsonian's National Zoo)
Felis margarita- Sand Cat (Bronx Zoo)
Felis catus- Domestic Cat (Pets, Feral, Connecticut's Beardsley Zoo)
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I didn't think I needed to add Domestic Cat to mine lol I've seen plenty of pets and ferals!

Beardsley sounds like it has a fair few cat species then?
 
FelidLover said:
Beardsley sounds like it has a fair few cat species then?
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6 cat species (if we include Domestic Cats) is pretty good for a smaller zoo. The Amur Leopard (just went on exhibit), Canada Lynx, and Amur Tigers are in the Predators exhibit, the Domestic Cat in the New England Farmyard, the Brazilian Ocelot in the South American Rainforest, and the Bobcat is off-exhibit and is an animal ambassador.
 
My list of kitties I have seen :) To keep it simple I'm just listing the species for the more commonly kept species.

African Lion (including white)
Asian Lion (London Zoo)
Jaguar
Amur Tiger
Sumatran Tiger (Toronto, Lowry Park Zoo)
Bengal Tiger (African Lion Safari, Toronto Zoo)
Generic Tiger (Toronto, Busch Gardens, Safari Niagara)
African Leopard (North Carolina Zoo; no longer exhibits the species)
Clouded Leopard (Toronto, Buffalo)
Snow Leopard (Toronto, Buffalo, Ross Park Zoo, Jungle Cat World)
Amur Leopard (Safari Niagara, Jungle Cat World)
Chinese Leopard (Toronto Zoo, Jungle Cat World)
Cheetah (Toronto, African Lion Safari)
Bobcat
Canadian Lynx
Eurasian Lynx (London Zoo, Jungle Cat World)
Caracal Lynx
Leopard Cat (Killman Zoo)
Black-footed Cat (Riverbanks Zoo, I believe)
Sand Cat (London Zoo, Jungle Cat World)
Serval
Cougar
Ocelot (North Carolina Zoo, Jungle Cat World)
Fishing Cat (I *think* it was Riverbanks)
 
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African Lion (krugeri)
Tiger (Malayan, Sumatran, white, generic)
Leopard (generic, black, Amur)
Snow Leopard
Jaguar
Clouded Leopard
Fishing Cat
Ocelot
Margay
Geoffroy's Cat
Caracal
Serval
Black-Footed Cat
Cheetah
Puma
Bobcat
Canadian Lynx
 
BeardsleyZooFan said:
Here's my list:
Panthera tigris- Generic Tiger (Southwick's Zoo, Busch Gardens Tampa Bay, Lowry Park Zoo)
Panthera tigris jacksoni- Malayan Tiger (Bronx Zoo, Naples Zoo)
Lynx canadensis- Canada Lynx (Connecticut's Beardsley Zoo)
Lynx rufus- Bobcat (Shell Factory and Nature Park, Connecticut's Beardsley Zoo, ZooAmerica)
Puma concolor couguar- North American Cougar (Tampa's Lowry Park Zoo, ZooAmerica)
Felis margarita- Sand Cat (Bronx Zoo
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I thought Lowry had both generic white and Malayan Tigers?
Beardsley's lynx are listed as L. c. canadensis.
I believe Beardsley's Bobcat is L. r. rufus.
Lowry has P. c. coryi, if you consider that a valid subspecies (which I personally do).
Since when does Bronx have Sand Cats!? Or when did they have them last?

~Thylo:cool:
 
ThylacineAlive said:
I thought Lowry had both generic white and Malayan Tigers?
Beardsley's lynx are listed as L. c. canadensis.
I believe Beardsley's Bobcat is L. r. rufus.
Lowry has P. c. coryi, if you consider that a valid subspecies (which I personally do).
Since when does Bronx have Sand Cats!? Or when did they have them last?

~Thylo:cool:
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- They had them in world of darkness.
 
ThylacineAlive said:
I thought Lowry had both generic white and Malayan Tigers?
Beardsley's lynx are listed as L. c. canadensis.
I believe Beardsley's Bobcat is L. r. rufus.
Lowry has P. c. coryi, if you consider that a valid subspecies (which I personally do).
Since when does Bronx have Sand Cats!? Or when did they have them last?
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Lowry Park didn't have Malayan Tigers when I visited.
Thanks for the subspecies update for the Canada Lynx and Bobcat at Beardsley.
I'm really not sure which side to take on the whole North American Cougar taxonomy issue, so I made things simpler by listing both Lowry and ZooAmerica's Cougars as North American Cougars, since I didn't know which subspecies ZooAmerica's Cougars are.
uszoo beat me to it about the Sand Cats.
 
BeardsleyZooFan said:
Lowry Park didn't have Malayan Tigers when I visited.
Thanks for the subspecies update for the Canada Lynx and Bobcat at Beardsley.
I'm really not sure which side to take on the whole North American Cougar taxonomy issue, so I made things simpler by listing both Lowry and ZooAmerica's Cougars as North American Cougars, since I didn't know which subspecies ZooAmerica's Cougars are.
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While I didn't see any Tigers on my visit, the website lists Malayan Tigers and there's a sign for them at the zoo. If they're there, they share the same enclosure with the generic white Tigers.
No problem!
ZooAmerica's are actual North American Mountain Lions and are listed as P. c. californica, which is a synonym of P. c. cougar. Having seen both Florida Panthers and North American Mountain Lions within the past month, I can say that the Florida cats are smaller in size and are a bit darker in coloration.

Thylo:cool:
 
ThylacineAlive said:
While I didn't see any Tigers on my visit, the website lists Malayan Tigers and there's a sign for them at the zoo. If they're there, they share the same enclosure with the generic white Tigers.
No problem!
ZooAmerica's are actual North American Mountain Lions and are listed as P. c. californica, which is a synonym of P. c. cougar. Having seen both Florida Panthers and North American Mountain Lions within the past month, I can say that the Florida cats are smaller in size and are a bit darker in coloration.
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They do have Malayan Tigers (2 brothers from the Bronx), and they rotate with an elderly white tiger (though I'm not sure if Yala the white tiger is still alive.)
Interesting. Thanks.
 
In the further interests of accuracy, it has been pointed out me that I missed one taxon off this list - Caracal caracal michaelis - Turkmenian Caracal at Poznan.



Maguari said:
Yay! Lists!

Here's mine:

Acinonyx jubatus jubatus - South African Cheetah
Acinonyx jubatus soemmerringii - North-East African Cheetah
Acinonyx jubatus f. rex - King Cheetah
Caracal caracal - Caracal
Caracal caracal damarensis - Damara Caracal
Caracal caracal caracal - South African Caracal
Catopuma temminckii dominicarum - Chinese Golden Cat
Catopuma temminckii temminckii - South-east Asian Golden Cat
Catopuma temminckii tristis - Tibetan Golden Cat
Felis catus - Domestic Cat
Felis chaus - Jungle Cat
Felis manul - Pallas' Cat
Felis margarita harrisoni - Arabian Sand Cat
Felis nigripes - Black-footed Cat
Felis silvestris gordoni - Gordon's Cat
Felis silvestris grampia - Scottish Wild Cat
Felis silvestris lybica - African Wild Cat
Felis silvestris ornata - Indian Desert Cat
Felis silvestris silvestris - European Wild Cat
Herpailurus yagouaroundi - Jaguarundi
Leopardus geoffroyi - Geoffroy's Cat
Leopardus pardalis - Ocelot
Leopardus pardalis mitis - Brazilian Ocelot
Leopardus tigrinus - Oncilla
Leopardus wiedi yucatanicus - Yucatan Margay
Leptailurus serval - Serval
Lynx canadensis - Canadian Lynx
Lynx lynx - Northern Lynx
Lynx lynx carpathicus - Carpathian Lynx
Lynx lynx kozlowi - Baikal Lynx
Lynx lynx lynx - European Lynx
Lynx lynx wardi - Altai Lynx
Lynx rufus - Bobcat
Lynx wrangeli - Siberian Lynx
Prionailurus bengalensis bengalensis - Indochinese Leopard Cat
Prionailurus bengalensis euptilura - Amur Leopard Cat
Prionailurus planiceps - Flat-headed Cat
Prionailurus rubiginosus phillipsi - Sri Lankan Rusty-spotted Cat
Prionailurus viverrinus - Fishing Cat
Puma concolor - Puma
Puma concolor missoulensis - Missouri Puma
Puma concolor puma - Chilean Puma
Neofelis nebulosa - Indochinese Clouded Leopard
Panthera leo - African Lion
Panthera leo bleyenberghi - Angolan Lion
Panthera leo krugeri - South African Lion
Panthera leo leo - Barbary Lion
Panthera leo persica - Asian Lion
Panthera leo vernayi - Kalahari Lion
Panthera leo x P. tigris - Liger
Panthera onca - Jaguar
Panthera onca onca - South American Jaguar
Panthera pardus - Leopard
Panthera pardus delacouri - Indochinese Leopard
Panthera pardus fusca - Indian Leopard
Panthera pardus japonensis - North China Leopard
Panthera pardus kotiya - Sri Lankan Leopard
Panthera pardus 'melanotica' - 'South African' Leopard
Panthera pardus melas - Javan Leopard
Panthera pardus orientalis - Amur Leopard
Panthera pardus saxicolor - Persian Leopard
Panthera tigris - Tiger
Panthera tigris altaica - Amur Tiger
Panthera tigris corbetti - Indochinese Tiger
Panthera tigris jacksoni - Malayan Tiger
Panthera tigris sumatrae - Sumatran Tiger
Panthera tigris 'tigris' - 'Bengal' Tiger
Panthera (Uncia) uncia - Snow Leopard


One or two of the subspecies are no longer recognised but I've kept them as labelled for reference. The two in inverted commas are 'as labelled but I don't for a moment believe them'. ;)

Most recent additions to the list were surprisingly big ones - P. t. corbetti in Hanoi and Saigon and P. c. puma in Bremerhaven.
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I may as well share my humble list:

Domestc/feral cat
Canadian lynx (Lake district wildlife park/Trotters world of animals)
Carpathian lynx (Camperdown wildlife centre)
Puma/cougar/mountain lion/Catamount (zoo de Jurques)
Ocelot (Montpellier zoo)
Fishing cat (Lake district wildlife park/Trotters world of animals)
northern lynx (Zoo de jurques, Lake district wildlife park/Trotters world of animals, Camperdown wildlife centre, Highland wildlife park)
pallas cat (Edinburgh zoo)
scottish wildcat (Edinburgh zoo, Highland wildlife park, Camperdown wildlife centre)
serval (lake district wildlife park/trotters world of animals, zoo de jurques)
Tibetan golden cat (Edinburgh zoo)
Amur leopard(Edinburgh zoo)
Asiatic lion (Chester zoo, Edinburgh zoo)
Jaguar (Wilhelma zoo, Barcelona zoo, Chester zoo, Edinburgh zoo)
Kalahari lion (Basel zoo)
Leopard(no ssp) (zoo de Jurques)
Lion(no ssp) (zoo de juques, zoo de Champrepus, Blair drummond safari park)
North persian leopard (wilhelma zoo, zoo de champrepus)
Siberian tiger (Zoo de jurques, Highland wildlife park, blair drummond safari park)
Snow leopard (wilhelma zoo, Zoo de juques, Basel zoo)
south african cheetah (wilhelma zoo, zoo de jurques, zoo de champrepus, Barcelona zoo, Basel zoo)
Transvaal lion (zoo de jurques)
Sumatran tiger (wilhelma zoo, zoo de champrepus, Barcelona zoo, Edinburgh zoo)
Katanga lion (Barcelona zoo)
Sri lankan leopard (barcelona zoo)
 
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