Bongorob's Norfolk Trip

bongorob

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My report on the Norfolk and Suffolk long weekend.

Firsty of all I was pleased to get a life tick when a weasel ran across the road. We also sa a wild stoat on the previous day.

Day 1

Pensthorpe was excellent for wild birds and insects, especially damselflies, even saw a common frog. I was disappointed with the captive collection, but it did have a nice surprise. I was reading the labels on hte red squirrel enclosure and mentioned to Zoogiraffe that there was a label for Corncrake. He replied there's one standing there. A lovely sight but very difficut to photograph, they move so fast, and when they stand stil they seem to merge into the background. We counted four specimens. The walkthrough aviary by the exit was nothing special but it did contain a lot of bearded reedlings, the first time I had seen this species.

Amazon Zoo. I didn't know quite what to expect but I found it quite pleasing. My first sighting of pumas in a long while, I had forgotten how big they are. I loved the tropical house which is on two levels, a winding path takes visitors down to ground level. A nice group of spectacled caiman is housed here.

Day 2

Suffolk Wildlife Park. Definately my favourite zoo of them all. I don't use the name Africa Alive! becasue I think it is just too silly. Suffolk had some unusual exhibits such as African barn owls, straw-coloured fruit bats and blesbok. The latter had two babies, the first baby hartebest I have seen. They vere very active and very cute. By using the interpetation for this exhibit I found myself to be almost as big as a white rhinoceros. One of the party asked me 'in which direction?'
The park reminded me of Colchester in parts and of Whispnade in others. I was very impresse with the lemur islands. They hold 0.2 bongos. They also had a nice Ankole bull.

Great Yarmouth Sealife
and Amazonia Reptiles. I agree with Zoogiraffe's comments. The latter is the worst collection I have ever been to. I got the impression that the owner did not really want us to take cameras in, but stopped short of saying so because he would have lost the admission money.

Thrigby Hall is smaller in acreage than Bristol but it doesn't seem like it. I can only describe this zoo as strange. The animals were in good condition and some of the enclosures were interesting. It was nice to see painted stork for the first time in almost forty years and Indian crested porcupine for the first time in almost thirty years. Again I liked the tropical house, of which the Amazona one is clearly modelled. A life tick for me was a long-tailed sibia. A place I enjoyed a lot.

Shorelands was a pleasant (very) little zoo. A short tour by the owner on a day when they were not open was very much appreciated. There are some nice birds on view here, including full-winged demoiselle cranes, the oldest breeding female is 44. I was impressed by a small group of one of my fvourite parrots, blue-throated conure. I met an old friend here and I can't wait to return and see the park when it is in operation. I agree with Zoogiraffe and thinki it will become an excellent place for Zoochatters to visit.

The last zoo was Banham. I was pleased to get three life ticks in Cape fur seal, Sri Lankan leopard and western gentle lemur. Otherwise I think it is just an average collection with nothing memorable. If I go back to Norfolk I would not be disappointed if I did not visit again. The tropical house was on the cool side.

My order of preference is.

1.Suffolk Wildlife Park/Africa Alive!
2.Thrigby Hall
3.Amazona Zoo
4.Shorelands
5.Banham
6.Pensthorpe
7.Great Yarmouth Sealife
8.Great Yarmouth Amazonia Reptiles

I enjoyed the three days we spent in Norfolk and on the whole there were more good points than bad points for me. Ieven got the chance to see a few trains at Norwich station.
 
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Thanks for the brief reviews and between you and Zoogiraffe it is intriguing to get some perspective on several fairly tiny British zoos. It is always fascinating to read about some of the smaller establishments to be found in various nations. My parents are British, my grandparents and great-grandparents were all British, and I love many things about Great Britain (Gerald Durrell, James Herriot, Austin Powers, Gary Oldman, Michael Caine, Guy the Gorilla, the list is endless!) and one day I'll perhaps get the opportunity to tour some of the zoos of the land.
 
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I would say that to call Suffolk Wildlife Park,Thrigby Hall Wildlife Gardens,Amazona Zoo and Shorelands Wildlife Gardens,nondescript is not fair on them at all as they all have their very own unique points which makes them worth a visit.
 
Thanks for the brief reviews and between you and Zoogiraffe it is intriguing to get some perspective on several tiny, fairly nondescript British zoos. None of them seem that appealing, yet it is always fascinating to read about some of the smaller establishments to be found in various nations.

As Zoogiraffe says they are all interesting in their own way.
 
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I would say that to call Suffolk Wildlife Park,Thrigby Hall Wildlife Gardens,Amazona Zoo and Shorelands Wildlife Gardens,nondescript is not fair on them at all as they all have their very own unique points which makes them worth a visit.

I have only been to the first 2 & Banham, but have to agree all those are definitely worth a visit, as they all have something special about them. Even Banham for its better than most cat collection & cape fur seals. Thrigby is probably my favourite for the cats, owstons civet and the very good(especially for a small zoo) collection of rarely seen crocodilians in an excellent house.
 
Bongorob's Norfolk...

Why do I find some of the comments from across the pond, irritating?
 
Actually, let's do that again. None of these places are 'nondescript'. Yes, I'm still irritated.
Amazona I've not been to.
I know what's at Shorelands -- birdwise it's very exciting, and they have at least two pretty important, charismatic hoofstock species.
Thrigby Hall has inspiring crocodilian facilities, interesting & unusual enclosure designs, and a range of exciting mammals.
I've not been to Africa Alive since early days as Suffolk WP, but I can visualise the site, adjoining some of Suffolk's beautiful coastal marshland, and it's a good setting for a zoo.
Banham were breeding Snow Leopards when that was still unusual.
Sorry if none of these places have multi-million dollar all sing all-dancing immersion exhibits, but they show animals well, some at least have good conservation track records, and in my humble opinion, are good enough for this little third world island I live on.
End of rant.
 
Sorry if none of these places have multi-million dollar all sing all-dancing immersion exhibits, but they show animals well, some at least have good conservation track records, and in my humble opinion, are good enough for this little third world island I live on.
End of rant.

I agree. There's nothing wrong with having different tastes but it's incredibly annoying to see posts that are constantly dismissive of smaller and less grandiose collections and to describe them as 'nondescript' is arrogant and condescending.
End of rant.
 
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Suffolk Wildlife Park[/B]. Definately my favourite zoo of them all. I don't use the name Africa Alive! becasue I think it is just too silly. Suffolk had some unusual exhibits such as African barn owls, straw-coloured fruit bats and blesbok. The latter had two babies, the first baby hartebest I have seen. They vere very active and very cute. By using the interpetation for this exhibit I found myself to be almost as big as a white rhinoceros. One of the party asked me 'in which direction?'
The park reminded me of Colchester in parts and of Whispnade in others. I was very impresse with the lemur islands. They hold 0.2 bongos. They also had a nice Ankole bull.



Are you sure about the Bongos? Did you double check? ;)
 
Thanks for this brief run down. I spent a month in Suffolk/Norfolk last summer on fieldwork and managed to visit none of these places!! In my defence I was working, skint and fell in love with Minsmere which was just down the road from where I was staying most of the time and did give me several wild bird life ticks, but if I ever find myself that way again (which I hope I do) I'll be searching out this thread for inspiration.
 
Sometimes it should be forbidden to change a post after a certain time..... It does at least not make the forum more readable and is not the most honourable way to react....


Anyhow, I like such reports and I am eager to hear more about Trigby and especially shorelands ;).
 
Yes, I did use the word "nondescript" in reference to a handful of small British zoos. Heaven forbid! Since there was such an outrage from a few fellow zoo nerds who felt defensive over their local zoos I decided to smooth things over by editing my post and being far more positive towards facilities in my ancestral homeland. Apologies to all offended and please do not hang me at the gallows.

P.S. "Nondescript" will be removed from my vocabulary henceforth.:) It is now time to move on and pick on someone else for punching a seal.
 
It has nothing to do with people feeling defensive about their local zoos. FBBird lives in Dorset and I'm from London. It is about a consistently dismissive attitude of condescension to any collection that isn't huge with multi-million dollar exhibits which people find, understandingly extremely irritating.
 
Both sets of reviews were interesting, particularly because East Anglia seems to have a high density of zoos where hardly anything changes over many years, yet they seem to survive.

I had a couple of questions about Thrigby Hall:

- Were the Visayan warty pigs in the former babirusa enclosure? If so, was there any indication where their elderly pair had gone? I would have assumed they'd died, but wondered whether there was an exchange with Chester, given they are persevering with babirusa there (and because an elderly male may still be able to breed).

- Who's enclosure was made smaller by the addition of the elderly female jaguar from Amazona? Was she housed in one half of the snow leopard complex?

- Given the discussion around the siamang cage you'd photographed, how many other cages were there in their network of enclosures?

- Were there still hunting cissa and blyths hornbills at the gardens? Did you see any tree shrews or loris?

- Were you convinced that the porcupines were Indian crested, or are they just listed as such?

- How many painted storks did you see? Thrigby did have a successful breeding group of these around 15 years ago, it would be a shame if they are down to a single bird.
 
I'm not surprised, they'd been there for many years. It won't be long until its only South Lakes and Chester keeping/breeding babirusa in the UK. Apart from this, I can only think of a single elderly animal at Dudley remaining, I'm assuming the elderly Twycross pair have died by now? Chester bred two more babirusa earlier this year, and South lakes bred one in 2012. As far as I know there are only 3-4 collections in Europe including these two that are actually still breeding babirusa.
 
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I'm not surprised, they'd been there for many years. It won't be long until its only South Lakes and Chester keeping/breeding babirusa in the UK. Apart from this, I can only think of a single elderly animal at Dudley remaining, I'm assuming the elderly Twycross pair have died by now? Chester bred two more babirusa earlier this year, and South lakes bred one in 2012. As far as I know there are only 3-4 collections in Europe including these two that are actually still breeding babirusa.
You are correct on the UK; only Chester, S Lakes & Dudley left. Twycross, Thrigby, Marwell & Colchester, maybe others, have all gone out of them in the last 10 years or so.
 
Although it wasn't so long ago that only Jersey had this species, so its back to just a couple of key collections breeding them. Certainly South Lakes is breeding into the second generation (as in, for the site, not the captive population) now, and at least one of the breeding adults at Chester was born at South Lakes. I'm not sure that Thrigby ever bred from their pair.
 
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