Paignton Zoo Developments at Paignton

Gigit

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Baboon Rock is going to be demolished and a new baboon exhibit will be built, on, I think, the site of the small mammal house and winter quarters which are no longer open to the public. They have to raise money for it and there's a fund raising event on 11 October. The keeper I spoke to didn't know what will replace Baboon Rock.
 
small mammal house, when did that close? its great news for the baboons!
 
New Baboon Rock.

That's a fairly radical development. Any timeframe? I'm wondering if they will retain the existing Hamadryas troop or replace them with Gelada Baboons which are currently rather 'in vogue.'

I hope they keep the Hamadryas though as you can't really beat them as a display. Maybe they will improve the visual perspectives for the public with a new design though.

I would still be a little surprised if they are doing it for the existing colony...
 
Within 2 years, I think he said. (Looks as though I'll have to get the deerstalker out again :))
 
The small mammal house is opposite babboon rock isn't it? Is it the house where they used to have Mandrills (maybe just the one?)?
I'll miss babboon rock, although it never really made brilliant viewing.
 
This news worries me a little with the two most recent major devolopments, monkey heights and crocodile swamp, being unimaginative and badly designed. Hopefully it won't be a hatrick. Also, why didn't they incorporate the baboons into monkey heights - perhaps the move hadn't been envisaged back then?
 
very good point, maybe they need to sack their designers and get new ones!
 
Also, why didn't they incorporate the baboons into monkey heights - perhaps the move hadn't been envisaged back then?

'Monkey Heights' was built to house the stock from the old Monkey House. I do agree that though ten times better than the old house, it is an odd design for arboreal primates. I wish it could have been in an area where the monkeys could have access to trees, where they are, they can't use the big specimen plane trees because they would soon wreck them, and makes the whole thing seem very unnatural. Still, its built now....

The baboon colony would need a very large and rather different style of enclosure and its not quite so urgent anyway.
 
'Monkey Heights' was built to house the stock from the old Monkey House. I do agree that though ten times better than the old house, it is an odd design for arboreal primates. I wish it could have been in an area where the monkeys could have access to trees, where they are, they can't use the big specimen plane trees because they would soon wreck them, and makes the whole thing seem very unnatural. Still, its built now.... QUOTE]

I agree that monkey heights is more for arboreal species and baboons would require a different set of habitats (unless they got geladas which like fields).

I actually quite like the current baboon enclosure, it's big and more enriching than most. What they should do is fill in the dry moat surronding the rock and replace it with windows for better viewing which would effectively double the rock's size. Also, the behind-the-scenes facilities could do with improvement.

On the subject of monkey heights, the designers should be thrown in with the baboons:eek:! OK, maybe that's a little extreme but it really is a stupid design. Why do the people look down on the monkeys:confused:? Why are there so few climbing structures:confused: and why didn't they build it in an area with trees:confused:! I agree that it is a vast improvement on the old monkey house but it could be so much better. When they built the enclosure for barbary sheep they built it around a real cliff-face, why couldn't they have put the monkeys in a more natural setting. Having said that, i like the indoor areas and the diana monkeys have bred successfully ???three??? times now.

Anyway thats enough ranting for one thread!
 
to be fair at relam of the red ape at chester, you look down at the orangutans.

But that was designed so the orangs and humans are both at canopy level, whereas from images i've seen of monkey heights, the monkeys cannot get to the same level as the humans.
 
But that was designed so the orangs and humans are both at canopy level, whereas from images i've seen of monkey heights, the monkeys cannot get to the same level as the humans.

oh well in taht case, i agree with whats been said. i didn't realise they couldn't reach the same level
 
On the subject of monkey heights, the designers should be thrown in with the baboons:eek:! OK, maybe that's a little extreme but it really is a stupid design. Why do the people look down on the monkeys:confused:? Why are there so few climbing structures:confused: and why didn't they build it in an area with trees:confused:! Having said that, i like the indoor areas and the diana monkeys have bred successfully ???three??? times now.

I very much agree on all the points you've made here.(The above comments were by RedPanda) It is a very peculiar design and they are stuck with it now for years to come. They really could have built better, higher level and simpler enclosures in a well-wooded area for a fraction of the cost they spent on this design. Considering Paignton likes to give their newer enclosures a 'natural' feel, MH certainly doesn't comply in that respect either and its not going to improve over time unless they plant heavily.. I always feel it's Paignton's third elephant, but the only White one...

I agree on the Baboons too- they could save a large amount of money simply by renovating the existing enclosure, filling in the 'blind' ditch to give better public viewing- the actual 'Rocks' are perfectly fine for the colony. That's unless they want to change over to Geladas- currently an 'in vogue' species and which would need a flatter, grassed enclosure. But in that case what happens to the 50+ Hamadryas baboons.????....:(
 
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I heard that the new baboon development is going to include a water feature (mind you, with the torrential rain here at the moment, they probably have one now).
 
I don't really get people's objections to monkey heights. Whoever made it wrong to look down on certain animals, but not others? Why is that a design fault? Besides in their inside house I seem to remember most of the animals being at the same height as the windows anyway because thats where they climb. For me being closer to them there was good. I got a better view then in most places, and the monkeys were still climbing and so I'd call that good design.
And there's always the option to view the outside enclosures from ground level on the main path, so you'd be able to look up there if that's what you prefer. It is a shame about the trees, but with all of the ropework in there it's not a tragedy, and I would never call it a white elephant.
 
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