UK zoos, wildlife if Scotland secedes

Arizona Docent

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One week from now the Scottish people will vote whether or not to become independent and break off the UK. According to an article I just saw, it may go that way.

What will happen to the transfer of native wildlife and/or zoo animals between Scotland and rest of UK if this happens? Will there be a new level of red tape because they have to start filing export permits? For one example, Aspinall (based in England) is building a Scottish wildcat breeding center. If Aspinall suddenly becomes an entity from a foreign country will that muddy things?
 
Arizona Docent said:
One week from now the Scottish people will vote whether or not to become independent and break off the UK. According to an article I just saw, it may go that way.

What will happen to the transfer of native wildlife and/or zoo animals between Scotland and rest of UK if this happens? Will there be a new level of red tape because they have to start filing export permits? For one example, Aspinall (based in England) is building a Scottish wildcat breeding center. If Aspinall suddenly becomes an entity from a foreign country will that muddy things?
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I doubt they've given much thought to little things like this. I imagine it'll be the same as whatever goes on between Ireland and the UK now.
 
I assume that if Scotland becomes independant there will be a period to sort things like that out before any measures come into place.
 
Should the Scots decide to go there will be much bigger issues to resolve. This would be a divorce first with negotiations after
 
Zooplantman said:
Should the Scots decide to go there will be much bigger issues to resolve. This would be a divorce first with negotiations after
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Wrong. The vote is next week, the divorce will not happen until March 2016 after negotiations. There's no animosity between Scotland and the rest of the UK. If i were Scottish, i'd be voting for independence, but as a Welshman i hope they vote No.
 
If the Scots don't like the deal can they change their minds during or after the negotiations?
I understand that dividing up national debt as well as other economic issues could have profound effects on the new independent Scotland.
 
I wouldn't have thought so. The electorate would have voted for independence, there's no going back. As for the economic issues, they'd have made their bed, they'll have to lie in it. (They can have the Royal family too.)
 
Have the Scottish people really thought this thru or is it Alex S just trying to do something he will be remembered for as he as done nothing else for Scotland.

Can we please have our stones back from my Wall lol
 
A customer of mine who is also a friend is an Englishman who has lived here in the states for many years. He was in the store today and we discussed it briefly and he thinks it would be a complete disaster for both sides if they secede. I do too, but I am a foreigner so I am in no position to say (nor I am informed enough to say, it is just kind of a gut instinct).
 
Arizona Docent said:
A customer of mine who is also a friend is an Englishman who has lived here in the states for many years. He was in the store today and we discussed it briefly and he thinks it would be a complete disaster for both sides if they secede. I do too, but I am a foreigner so I am in no position to say (nor I am informed enough to say, it is just kind of a gut instinct).
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A disaster? Not for Scotland it wouldn't be. Norway seem to be doing OK, similar sized populations both would be living off North Sea oil. It may be a disaster for the rest of the UK, with no Scottish oil and there may be a flood of people not wanting to stay in Scotland and coming south.
 
It will not be a disaster. It will be a big culture shock for the rest of the UK, especially England as radical change is not generally part of the political or national culture.

I have to say I find that difficult to know what I would do and I really don't know what I'd like to see happen. I worry about what country England or a rump UK would be.

But I find it entirely natural that many in Scotland see their future separate from the UK and from England in particular. I would certainly be tempted to vote yes for a more egalitarian and social democratic country. And I cannot bear the lazy and ignorant inaccuracy so often made by those here and abroad that England = United Kingdom.

I do know that I find many 'no' campaign arguments to be alarmist and chauvinist based on an assumption that small countries are doomed to irrelevance. It is entirely natural that countries like Finland (in union with Sweden, then Russia until WWI), Norway (in union with Denmark from medieval times until 1814 and then with Sweden until 1905), Iceland (in union with Denmark until after WWII) and Ireland (occupied by/ in union with UK) are independent. So why not Scotland?

In terms of zoos, I cannot see it having any substantial impact at all.
 
I too am horrified when people say "England" when they mean either "Great Britain" or the "United Kingdom"', and I am also unhappy that there is no Welsh element in the Union Flag. I always say I am British so I hope Scotland stays in the UK, but I agree that whatever the decision there would be very little impact as far as zoos are concerned.

P.S. Unlike Shirokuma I am not keen on any kind of democracy as I do not see why people (especially no-hopers such as myself) should have the vote! I am probably a lone voice nationally in thinking the reigning monarch should rule the country personally, assisted by a council of the great aristocrats.
 
Logically, if Scotland does vote "yes", then existing wildlife protection laws will stay in place. Those protected areas managed by Scottish based organisations (eg Scottish Wildlife Trust, National Trust for Scotland) won't see any changes. How the RSPB would be affected is another matter, but then it's always had to cope with Scotland's different legal system.

I can't see it having any effect on zoos at all. I really hope that Scotland votes "no"; there are many more important issues facing ordinary British and Irish people. Anyway, I'm steering clear of politics, except (in response to the previous post) to say that I don't feel that the divine right of Kings has much to offer anyone...:rolleyes:
 
IanRRobinson said:
Anyway, I'm steering clear of politics, except (in response to the previous post) to say that I don't feel that the divine right of Kings has much to offer anyone...:rolleyes:
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I used to adopt a Whig historiography, but I've changed my tune. I have no interest in the usual political goings on anyway, but the Scottish referendum is obviously a unique event.
 
Why hasn't everyone in the UK got a vote on whether Scotland should go independent? What happens when the oil runs out (which it will sooner rather than later at current production rates 20 years max according to oil companies)? What currency will they use? How are they going to raise the taxes to cover the freebies they currently receive? What happens if they don't meet the rules to join the EU (which they currently don't according to the EU)? these are questions that the Yes campaign have ignored all through the campaign.
 
adrian1963 said:
Why hasn't everyone in the UK got a vote on whether Scotland should go independent? What happens when the oil runs out (which it will sooner rather than later at current production rates 20 years max according to oil companies)? What currency will they use? How are they going to raise the taxes to cover the freebies they currently receive? What happens if they don't meet the rules to join the EU (which they currently don't according to the EU)? these are questions that the Yes campaign have ignored all through the campaign.
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They are already in the EU so i can't see them being kicked out. The oil seems to be he only reason the UK government want them to stay. There are far to many people living in this country (60m). that oil will keep 5m in Scotland happy much longer.
 
Keeping this thread on a zoo theme (so it doesn't get deleted.) The UK (what's left of it) will go out of Polar Bears, Koala and Panda. Anything else?
 
Johnny Morris. said:
Keeping this thread on a zoo theme (so it doesn't get deleted.) The UK (what's left of it) will go out of Polar Bears, Koala and Panda. Anything else?
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It won't go out of Polar Bear!

It *will* go out of Musk Ox, Chinese Goral, Bactrian Deer, West Himalayan Tahr, Tajik Markhor and Japanese Serow.
 
I read the reason that the UK hasn't A vote only Scotland has, was the fear that Scotland would vote no and the rest would vote yes, what would happen then EH?

I'm ambivalent towards it but i am sick of the Scottish leaders knocking the English- and usually only the English- as the bad guy and Scottish MP's being able to vote on English matters, but English MP's not being able to vote on Scottish matters. Basically the campaign has been run by one man to suit his own agenda as far as I can tell.
 
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