ZooChat Challenge (Global) 2016

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bongorob said:
1) Onager Equus hemionuis onager Chester Zoo
2) Grévy's zebra Equus grevyi Chester Zoo
3) Malayan tapir Tapirus indicus Chester Zoo
4) South American tapir Tapirus terrestris Chester Zoo
5) Eastern black rhinoceros Diceros bicornis michaeli Chester Zoo
6) Indian rhinoceross Rhinocers unicornis Chester Zoo
7) Rothschild's giraffe Giraffa rothschildi Chester Zoo
8) Red river hog Potamochoerus porcus Chester Zoo
9) northern babirusa Babyrousa celebensis Chester Zoo

10) Philippines chevrotain Tragulus nigripes Chester Zoo
11) Western sitatunga Tragelaphus spekei gratus Chester Zoo
12) Eastern bongo Tragelaphus eyrucerus isaaci Chester Zoo
13) Lowland anoa Bubalis depressicornis Chester Zoo
14) Congo buffalo Syncerus caffer nanus Chester Zoo
15) Scimitar-horned oryx Oryx dammah Chester Zoo
16) Okapi Okapia johnstoni Chester Zoo
17) Natal red duiker Cephalophus natalensis natalensis Chester Zoo
18) Chilean pudu Pudu puda Chester Zoo
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9th January update

19) Vicuna (Vicugna vicugna) Twycross Zoo
20) Michie's tufted deer (Elaphodus cephalophus michianus) Twycross Zoo
21) Reticulated giraffe (Giraffa reticulata) Twycross Zoo
22) Grant's zebra (Equus quagga boehmi) Twycross Zoo
23) Common nyala (Nyala angasii) Twycross Zoo
24) Kirk's dik-dik (Madoqua kirkii) Twycross zoo
 
ThylacineAlive said:
Now this may be a bit of a difficult and potentially controversial challenge due to all the recent splits, but for all intents and purposes we will generally be following the species list set by Groves and Grubb: A new perspective on Ungulate Taxonomy
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I'm sorry but... why exactly? Wouldn't be using IUCN be considerably better and actually realistic? From what I can understand here, basically every single subspecies (or just about) has been elevated to full species status for some reason?
 
Fireplume said:
I'm sorry but... why exactly? Wouldn't be using IUCN be considerably better and actually realistic? From what I can understand here, basically every single subspecies (or just about) has been elevated to full species status for some reason?
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From my understanding a lot of these splits have been in the works for some time (certainly the giraffe one has been) and most are likely to turn out valid. While there are certainly a few that may turn out to be invalid, enough will be for me to feel comfortable going with these splits and that they're more accurate for most species than what the IUCN currently lists.

Remember, the IUCN still doesn't recognize the African Forest Elephant as its own species so they aren't always on top of the latest taxonomic changes.

The over-lumping of species, especially similar-looking mammals, is nothing new and I won't be surprised if one or two more ungulates (such as the White-Tailed Deer as noted in the link) will turn out to represent multiple species as well.

~Thylo:cool:
 
Well, while I'll still be joining the challenge there's certainly such thing as over splitting as well... I mean 450 so-called species? Yeah no, there's no way.
 
Let's join...

1) Grant's zebra - Karlsruhe Zoo
2) Hippopotamus - Karlsruhe Zoo
3) Reticulated giraffe - Karlsruhe Zoo
4) Common eland - Karlsruhe Zoo
5) Scimitar-horned oryx - Karlsruhe Zoo
6) Persian gazelle - Karlsruhe Zoo

Not that much so far. :D
 
I now wish I had visited SDWAP this year rather than the end of last.
From Nautral Bridge Wildlife Ranch:
1. Nile lechwe
2. Aoudad/Barbary sheep
3. Impala
4. Sable Antelope
5. Barasingha
6. Fallow deer
7. Axis deer
8. Lesser kudu
9. American Bison
10. Springbok
11. Gemsbok
12. Ellipsen waterbuck
13. Wildebeest (whichever the common one is, I won't see the other this year.)
14. Dama gazelle
15. Common bongo
16. Blesbok
17. Grants gazelle
18. Arabian oryx
19. Common eland
20. Scimitar horned oryx
21. Plains zebra
22. Southern white rhinoceros
23. Blackbuck
24. Addax
25. Thomson's gazelle
I think that's all for today. If I did something wrong, don't be afraid to tell me.

Whoops one more. I also visited Animal World and Snake Farm Zoo today and have this one:
26. Common warthog
 
jayjds2 said:
So for giraffes, in the US, are we only counting Masai?
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Essentially, yes.

There might be one or two pure Reticulated and Baringo Giraffes scattered at some zoos (I think San Diego might have pure animals) but I'm not sure where they are. However, if someone sees a proven pure animal it counts.

~Thylo:cool:
 
Ok. At the SDZSF, there are adult retics and Rothschild, but all babies being born are hybrid sadly.
 
jayjds2 said:
Ok. At the SDZSF, there are adult retics and Rothschild, but all babies being born are hybrid sadly.
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Just because they're labelled as Reticulated and Rothschild doesn't mean they're pure. I'm not sure how many pure ones they might have but I doubt they all are.

~Thylo:cool:
 
Some of their roths are, but not all. I have no clue how many retics there are, but only 1.0 were mentioned. The hybrids are being referred to as "giraffe".
 
I've read the studbook for American giraffes. It's a huge cluster. The genetics bore out that they couldn't find any pure retics or roths.
 
Houston Zoo 1/23/16
27. Red river hog
28. Masai giraffe
29. Babirusa
30. Eastern giant eland
31. Lowland Nyala
32. White tailed deer
33. Southern gerenuk
34. Yellow backed duiker
35. Baird's tapir
36. Okapi
 
All from Flamingo Land (24/1/2016):

1. Visayan Warty Pig Sus cebifrons
2. Red River Hog Potamochoerus porcus
3. Scimitar-horned Oryx Oryx dammah
4. Kafue Flats Lechwe Kobus kafuensis
5. Black Rhinoceros Diceros bicornis
6. Brazilian Tapir Tapirus terrestris
7. Vicuna Vicugna vicugna
8. Southern White Rhinoceros Ceratotherium simum
9. Rothschild Giraffe Giraffa camelopardalis
10. Common Hippopotamus Hippopotamus amphibius
11. Plains Zebra Equus quagga
 
1) Onager (Equus hemionuis onager) Chester Zoo
2) Grévy's zebra (Equus grevyi) Chester Zoo
3) Malayan tapir (Tapirus indicus) Chester Zoo
4) South American tapir (Tapirus terrestris) Chester Zoo
5) Eastern black rhinoceros (Diceros bicornis michaeli) Chester Zoo
6) Indian rhinoceross (Rhinocers unicornis) Chester Zoo
7) Rothschild's giraffe Giraffa camelopardalis rothschildi Chester Zoo
8) Red river hog (Potamochoerus porcus) Chester Zoo
9) northern babirusa (Babyrousa celebensis) Chester Zoo

10) Philippines chevrotain (Tragulus nigripes) Chester Zoo
11) Western sitatunga (Tragelaphus spekei gratus) Chester Zoo
12) Eastern Bongo (Tragelaphus eyrucerus isaaci) Chester Zoo
13) Lowland anoa (Bubalis depressicornis) Chester Zoo
14) Congo buffalo (Syncerus caffer nanus) Chester Zoo
15) Scimitar-horned oryx (Oryx dammah) Chester Zoo
16) Okapi (Okapia johnstoni) Chester Zoo
17) Natal red duiker (Cephalophus natalensis natalensis) Chester Zoo
18) Chilean pudu (Pudu puda) Chester Zoo
19) Vicuna (Vicugna vicugna) Twycross Zoo
20) Michie's tufted deer (Elaphodus cephalophus michianus) Twycross Zoo
21) Reticulated giraffe (Giraffa reticulata) Twycross Zoo
22) Grant's zebra (Equus quagga boehmi) Twycross Zoo
23) Common nyala (Nyala angasii) Twycross Zoo
24) Kirk's dik-dik (Madoqua kirkii) Twycross Zoo

update for 24th January

25) Prince Alfred's deer (Rucervus alfredi) Chester Zoo
26) Blackbuck (Antilope cervicapra) Chester Zoo
27) Negros warty pig (Sus cebifrons negrinus) Chester Zoo
28) Javan banteng (Bos javanicus javanicus) Chester Zoo
29) Roan antelope (hippotragus equinus) Chester Zoo
 
Moody Gardens Rainforest 1/25/2016
37. Southern Blue duiker
 
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jbnbsn99 said:
Per the Groves and Grubb rule, make that a Southern Blue Duiker.
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I just put what it was labeled as. How do you know which species it is? We're all of them in the US collected at the same place or something? If you don't know, that's ok. I'm just curious. :)
 
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