ZooChat Challenge (Global) 2016

[LaughingDove]

I can resubmit my list at the weekend when my exams are over but really busy right now. I think there are a couple of things I will have to remove, though I don't really stand much of a chance this year compared to last year since the main trip of the year is Australia.

So as promised: Things that I am removing are in red, additional notes are in bold.

Species from Warsaw Zoo:

1) Greenland Musk Ox
2) Common Fallow Deer
3) American Bison
4) European Bison
5) Western Sitatunga
6) Scimitar-horned Oryx
7) Somali Wild Ass
8) Vicuna (Groves and Grubb has split vicunas, does anyone know what the captive population is?)
9) Common Hippo
10) Eastern Bongo
11) Rothschild's Giraffe
12) Chinese Goral
13) Chinese Bharal
14) Indian Rhino
15) Vietnamese Sika Deer
16) Sichuan Takin
17) Hartmann's Mountain Zebra
18) Przewalski's Horse (Aren't these largely hybridised with domestic horses so would be similar to the American Bison?)
- Sadly the Southern Pudu was a no-show, as usual.

Managed to see the Pudu on a visit today:

19) Southern Pudu

I visited Nairobi Safari Walk this morning which is a fantastic little zoo with Kenyan wildlife (I will post a review in this thread http://www.zoochat.com/808/trip-kenya-february-2016-a-435669/ eventually)

20) Pygmy Hippo
21) Cape Buffalo
22) Eland
23) Common Zebra (including an Albino)
24) White Rhino (southern)
25) Impala (common)
26) Defassa Waterbuck
27) Thomson's Gazelle (whichever (sub)species is native to Nairobi NP)
28) Bush Duiker (including a really cute baby one)
29) Giant Forest Hog
30) Kirk's Dik-dik

(there were quite a few more species signed, but I don't think they were actually there)

Some additions from Gdansk Zoo today:

31) Kafue Lechwe
32) Nilgai
33) Brazilian Tapir
34) Chapman's Zebra
35) Red Deer (these are probably the native (sub)species, but because I can't be sure I will remove them)
36) Collared Peccary
37) Wild Boar (European)
38) Reeve's Muntjac
39) Lowland Anoa
40) Eurasian Elk (Moose)
42) Alfred's Spotted Deer
43) Mishmi Takin

New total: 38-40 (depending on the Vicuna and Przewalski's Horse)

 

[devilfish]

New total: 38-40 (depending on the Vicuna and Przewalski's Horse)

My understanding is that all captive Vicuna in Europe are the Chilean species. I'm working towards updating my list too.

 

[ThylacineAlive]

Somewhere on the forum someone said all the captive vicuna outside of South America are the nominate (sub)species. Not sure where, though, or if this is really true (no one questioned it at the time).

Haven't heard regarding the wild horse.

~Thylo

 

[pipaluk]

This is getting way to complicated for me! The UK challenges don't demand pure sub species, an American Bison is an American Bison, a collared peccary is a collared peccary, a vicuna is a vicuna!! Sorry I can't be bothered with this any more, pointless when dolphins count & a Bison doesn't! I won't amend my list or add to my list further, I don't know why anyone else will bother either!!

 

[TeaLovingDave]

Personally I think there is a viable compromise; if someone counts a species in the broad sense they are not allowed to count the potential split species as distinct additions. This would allow people to make a choice as to whether they go for an easy-to-obtain broad tick, or hold off in the hope of being able to get multiple pure ticks.

For instance, someone in the USA could either count the easy tick of "Giraffe", or they could hold off in the hope of seeing multiple pure subspecies; however if they did the former they would not be allowed to count additional taxa, and if they did the latter they would have to stick to pure individuals as far as that taxon was concerned.

 

[pipaluk]

Personally I think there is a viable compromise; if someone counts a species in the broad sense they are not allowed to count the potential split species as distinct additions. This would allow people to make a choice as to whether they go for an easy-to-obtain broad tick, or hold off in the hope of being able to get multiple pure ticks.

For instance, someone in the USA could either count the easy tick of "Giraffe", or they could hold off in the hope of seeing multiple pure subspecies; however if they did the former they would not be allowed to count additional taxa, and if they did the latter they would have to stick to pure individuals as far as that taxon was concerned.

Excellent suggestion! I agree entirely, it was more or less what I was thinking.
At the end of the day, animals aren't always exactly what they are labelled, so in many cases people can't be certain what they've seen anyway.

 

[jbnbsn99]

Animals like American Bison, P. Horse, and Wisent have to count. Even though most have genes in them from another species, it's those genes that's keeping the species alive. Remember, you yourself have genes from Neanderthals. The Pere David's Deer is a pure species that came about through hybridization.

 

[TeaLovingDave]

In the case of Wisent, a lot are subspecific mixes (albeit with only one founder of a different subspecies to the others) but I don't think they have domestic lineage.

Yak, incidentally, contain some genetic material from extinct Eurasian members of the genus Bison closely related to the extant Plains Bison.

 

[vogelcommando]

Excellent suggestion! I agree entirely, it was more or less what I was thinking.
At the end of the day, animals aren't always exactly what they are labelled, so in many cases people can't be certain what they've seen anyway.

In many cases even scientists have difficulties to see the differense of all those new species !
So I also agree to count all the well known species but when you have the "main-species" on your list, split-off species of this species are not anymore allowed.
With Bison, wisent and Przewalski horse I also think we should count them because breeding hybrids of them has taken so long ago and even consevationists recognize them, otherwhiles they hadn't used them for re-introduction projects !

 

[jbnbsn99]

In the case of Wisent, a lot are subspecific mixes (albeit with only one founder of a different subspecies to the others) but I don't think they have domestic lineage.

Yak, incidentally, contain some genetic material from extinct Eurasian members of the genus Bison closely related to the extant Plains Bison.

However, G&G elevate both subspecies to full species.

 

[ThylacineAlive]

Personally I think there is a viable compromise; if someone counts a species in the broad sense they are not allowed to count the potential split species as distinct additions. This would allow people to make a choice as to whether they go for an easy-to-obtain broad tick, or hold off in the hope of being able to get multiple pure ticks.

For instance, someone in the USA could either count the easy tick of "Giraffe", or they could hold off in the hope of seeing multiple pure subspecies; however if they did the former they would not be allowed to count additional taxa, and if they did the latter they would have to stick to pure individuals as far as that taxon was concerned.

I think this is a fair suggestion It does take care of the issue of whether or not someone accepts the proposed splits as well. So the decision is up to you folks!

As for bison, suppose it should count due to the reasons given above. I'll certainly be readding it to my list.

30) American Bison Bison bison

~Thylo

 

[jayjds2]

As for bison, suppose it should count due to the reasons given above. I'll certainly be readding it to my list.

30) American Bison Bison bison

Well, in that case:

Natural Bridge Wildlife Ranch 1/16/16:
1. Nile lechwe
2. Aoudad/Barbary sheep
3. Impala
4. Southern Sable Antelope
5. Fallow deer
6. Axis deer
7. Lesser kudu
8. Southern springbok
9. Gemsbok
10. Ellipsen waterbuck
11. Eastern white-bearded Wildebeest
12. Dama gazelle
13. Bongo
14. Blesbok
15. Grant's gazelle
16. Arabian oryx
17. Common eland
18. Scimitar horned oryx
19. Plains zebra
20. Southern white rhinoceros
21. Blackbuck
22. Addax
23. Eastern Thomson's gazelle

Animal World and Snake Farm Zoo 1/16/16:
24. Common Warthog

Houston Zoo 1/23/16:
25. Red river hog
26. Masai giraffe
27. Babirusa
28. Eastern giant eland
29. Lowland Nyala
30. White tailed deer
31. Southern gerenuk
32. Yellow backed duiker
33. Baird's tapir
34. Okapi

Moody Gardens Rainforest 1/25/16:
35. Southern Blue duiker

SeaWorld San Antonio 2/6/16:
36. Pacific White Sided Dolphin
37. Beluga Whale
38. Orca/Killer Whale
39. Atlantic Bottlenose Dolphin

Gladys Porter Zoo 2/14/16:
40. West African Bushbuck
41. Bornean Bearded Pig
42. Bontebok
43. Nilgai
44. Southern Great Kudu
45. Red Flanked Duiker
46. Gaur
47. Western Pygmy Hippopotamus

Smithsonian's National Zoo 3/12/16:
48. Greater mouse-deer
49. Przewalski's wild horse
50. West African sitatunga

Capital of Texas Zoo 3/20/16:
51. Reeve's muntjac
52. European wild boar
53. Guanaco

Topsey Exotic Animal Drive-Thru Park 3/26/16:
54. Western European red deer
55. Red lechwe

Dallas Zoo 4/2/16:
56. Somali wild ass
57. Kirk's dik-dik

Fossil Rim Wildlife Center 4/23/16:
58. Roan antelope
59. Hartmann's mountain zebra

San Antonio Zoo 4/30/16:
60. Common hippopotamus
61. Malayan tapir

Fort Worth Zoo 5/7/16:
62. Lowland anoa
63. Indian rhinoceros
64. Nubian ibex
65. Black rhinoceros

Cameron Park Zoo 5/28/16:
66. American Bison

 

[jbnbsn99]

I think this is a fair suggestion It does take care of the issue of whether or not someone accepts the proposed splits as well. So the decision is up to you folks!

As for bison, suppose it should count due to the reasons given above. I'll certainly be readding it to my list.

30) American Bison Bison bison

~Thylo

Breaking your own rules. Bos bison. Shame, shame...

 

[ThylacineAlive]

Breaking your own rules. Bos bison. Shame, shame...

Interesting. I hadn't even noticed the genus change (obviously).

~Thylo

 

[savethelephant]

Going with TLD's suggestion I have 18 now as I can include my Greater Kudu.

 

[Macaw16]

An update at last! 16 and 17 are from the Welsh Mountain Zoo (30/5/2016):

1. Visayan Warty Pig Sus cebifrons
2. Red River Hog Potamochoerus porcus
3. Scimitar-horned Oryx Oryx dammah
4. Kafue Flats Lechwe Kobus kafuensis
5. Black Rhinoceros Diceros bicornis
6. Brazilian Tapir Tapirus terrestris
7. Vicuna Vicugna vicugna
8. Southern White Rhinoceros Ceratotherium simum
9. Rothschild Giraffe Giraffa camelopardalis
10. Common Hippopotamus Hippopotamus amphibius
11. Plains Zebra Equus quagga
12. Lesser Malay Mouse Deer Tragulus kanchil
13. Southern Pudu Pudu puda
14. Western Pygmy Hippopotamus Choeropsis liberiensis
15. Red Deer Cervus elaphus
16. Fallow Deer Dama dama
17. Przewalski's Horse Equus przewalskii

 

[pipaluk]

At Twycross 1st May

46. Michie's Tufted Deer
47. Nyala
48. Kirk's Dik Dik

At Chester 3rd June

49 Eastern Black Rhino
50 Northern Babirusa
51 Lowland Another
52 Southern Lesser Kudu
53 Congo Buffalo
54 Philippines Chevrotain

 

[MagpieGoose]

Hoo Farm Animal Kingdom

46) Red Deer (Cervus elaphus)
47) Reeves' Muntjac (Muntiacus reevesi)

Twycross Zoo

48) Nyala (Tragelaphus angasii)

Dublin Zoo

49) Common Hippo (Hippopotamus amphibius)

 

[jayjds2]

1. Nile lechwe
2. Aoudad/Barbary sheep
3. Impala
4. Southern Sable Antelope
5. Fallow deer
6. Axis deer
7. Lesser kudu
8. Southern springbok
9. Gemsbok
10. Ellipsen waterbuck
11. Eastern white-bearded Wildebeest
12. Dama gazelle
13. Bongo
14. Blesbok
15. Grant's gazelle
16. Arabian oryx
17. Common eland
18. Scimitar horned oryx
19. Plains zebra
20. Southern white rhinoceros
21. Blackbuck
22. Addax
23. Eastern Thomson's gazelle

Animal World and Snake Farm Zoo 1/16/16:
24. Common Warthog

Houston Zoo 1/23/16:
25. Red river hog
26. Masai giraffe
27. Babirusa
28. Eastern giant eland
29. Lowland Nyala
30. White tailed deer
31. Southern gerenuk
32. Yellow backed duiker
33. Baird's tapir
34. Okapi

Moody Gardens Rainforest 1/25/16:
35. Southern Blue duiker

SeaWorld San Antonio 2/6/16:
36. Pacific White Sided Dolphin
37. Beluga Whale
38. Orca/Killer Whale
39. Atlantic Bottlenose Dolphin

Gladys Porter Zoo 2/14/16:
40. West African Bushbuck
41. Bornean Bearded Pig
42. Bontebok
43. Nilgai
44. Southern Great Kudu
45. Red Flanked Duiker
46. Gaur
47. Western Pygmy Hippopotamus

Smithsonian's National Zoo 3/12/16:
48. Greater mouse-deer
49. Przewalski's wild horse
50. West African sitatunga

Capital of Texas Zoo 3/20/16:
51. Reeve's muntjac
52. European wild boar
53. Guanaco

Topsey Exotic Animal Drive-Thru Park 3/26/16:
54. Western European red deer
55. Red lechwe

Dallas Zoo 4/2/16:
56. Somali wild ass
57. Kirk's dik-dik

Fossil Rim Wildlife Center 4/23/16:
58. Roan antelope
59. Hartmann's mountain zebra

San Antonio Zoo 4/30/16:
60. Common hippopotamus
61. Malayan tapir

Fort Worth Zoo 5/7/16:
62. Lowland anoa
63. Indian rhinoceros
64. Nubian ibex
65. Black rhinoceros

Cameron Park Zoo 5/28/16:
66. American Bison

Ellen Trout Zoo 6/7/16:
67. Western Bay duiker (any clue what species the US population is?)

 

[ThylacineAlive]

Ellen Trout Zoo 6/7/16:
67. Bay duiker (any clue what species the US population is?)

To my knowledge they're all the Western (nominate I think) (sub)species.

~Thylo