Aspinall Trip!

ShonenJake13

ShonenJake13

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Hello all!

So I am planning on continuing on my quest to visit all of the top 10 zoos in England this year (going from a list I found on the Internet, not official). Being a London resident I visit there regularly, and this year I have also visited Twycross, Whipsnade and most recently Chester. Next on the list is, as the title gives away, Howletts and Port Lympne! Myself and pocket (my co-pilot in this endeavour) will be visiting both on one weekend; Howletts on the Saturday and Port Lympne on the Sunday. Currently looking at some point in November.

Anyone have any highlights/good route tips? Also, me being me, the gorillas will be my main must-see; are all 5 (technically 6, if you count Sidonie being separated as a group) groups at Howletts and all 3 groups at Port Lympne onshow, and if so where in each collection?

I currently have the Howletts groups down as the following:

Djanghou, Kwimba, Sanki, Kimba, Kidiki, Masindi, Kisane, Nkoumou, Affy, Jouki, Soundi

Shumba, Juma, Dihi, Emmie, Ebeki, Joshi, Kiju

Mushi, Sidonie (lives separated from the group), Tambabi, Kifu, Bamilla, Emba

Tebe, Sammi, Kibara

Baby Doll


And the Port Lympne groups as:

Tamba, Kouillou, Sangha, Matibe, Jubi, Mambi, Viringika, Oundi, Boula, Bou, Kabale, Koundi

Kangu, Kebu, Kouyou, Fubu

Mataki, Ambam, Timbou, Kush, Djimu


After these Paignton, Colchester, Bristol and Marwell are on the list!! :D
 
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ShonenJake13 said:
are all 5 (technically 6, if you count Sidonie being separated as a group) groups at Howletts and all 3 groups at Port Lympne onshow, and if so where in each collection?



And the Port Lympne groups as:

Mataki, Ambam, Timbou, Kush, Djimu
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At Howletts they apparently closed off the 'old Gorillas' area( the kitchen garden area) when new male Sammi first arrived a few weeks back, but I'm sure its open again by now.I doubt you will be able to see Sidonie though.

Gorilla areas at Howletts are divided into 'new Gorillas' near the entrance (Kifu and Ebeki groups) and 'old gorillas' in kitchen garden at other end of the park furthest from the car park(the Djanghou and Sammi groups + Baby Doll on her own). Baby Doll is well worth seeing as she is the last of their very earliest gorilla group and incidentally the great grandmother of their new male Sammi from Givskud.

At Port Lympne there is nowadays no access to the covered/indoor house of the oldest male group(Ambam etc). Two of these males(Timbou & Mataki) live seperately from the others and don't access the outside, so those two are nowadays invisible to the public. The other group of four can be seen both indoors and out, though both groups are often invisible in the open for long periods. They used to have 'talk and feeds' for them when you could guarantee seeing them outside, but I think nowadays they may have transferred it just to the breeding(Kouillou) group in the large Palace of the Apes. Its worth going to as they do all come outside for a short while then.

Overall I do far prefer Howletts, both for seeing the gorillas close-up and since the Safari-style transformation of PL but you can still access all the Primates there on foot.

I can probably answer other specific queries if you have them.
 
The important thing for gorilla viewing at PL is to check the times of the outdoor feeds as these are the only times when you can be sure of seeing them in their paddocks, where you get the best views. The website says noon and 3 pm, but I'd check on arrival. I usually try to see the breeding group at the first feed and the bachelors for the second, because the light is better for photography that way round. These areas are too far apart to get quickly from one to the other.
There are plenty of other interesting primates and carnivores to see; note that the site is beautiful, but very steep in places so stout footwear is required.

Alan
 
gentle lemur said:
The important thing for gorilla viewing at PL is to check the times of the outdoor feeds as these are the only times when you can be sure of seeing them in their paddocks, where you get the best views.
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I'm not sure if they still do them for the male-only groups. He should probably check.
 
Pertinax said:
At Howletts they apparently closed off the 'old Gorillas' area( the kitchen garden area) when new male Sammi first arrived a few weeks back, but I'm sure its open again by now.I doubt you will be able to see Sidonie though.
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The 'old ' Gorilla area was open when I was there last week.
 
Are the gorillas profiles signed at the zoo? Also, what other highlight species should I look out for in both zoos? (planning on going to both the 12th and 13th November)
 
ShonenJake13 said:
Are the gorillas profiles signed at the zoo? Also, what other highlight species should I look out for in both zoos? (planning on going to both the 12th and 13th November)
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No they aren't. There are simple black/white nameplates listing the members of the groups by name (you will find photos of them somewhere back in the gallery no doubt) with their d.o.b. but that's all. No other means of identification.

With regard to other highlights, a bit too numerous to mention-depends what you are most interested in really. Elephants, black rhino, small cats, old world primates, I could go on.
 
ShonenJake13 said:
Are the Sumatran surilis onshow at Howletts? Also, what are the chances of seeing honey badgers?
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I don't know about the Surilis.

Last time I saw both male and female Honey Badgers, currently in seperate enclosures because the female has bred recently. You should see at least one of them I would think. They are just before the 'old' gorilla area.
 
Pertinax said:
I don't know about the Surilis.

Last time I saw both male and female Honey Badgers, currently in seperate enclosures because the female has bred recently. You should see at least one of them I would think. They are just before the 'old' gorilla area.
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I hope so! Both are on my list :)
 
This weekend will be the weekend we go! Following a recommendation from Nisha, we have decided to visit Wingham and Howletts on the Saturday, and Port Lympne still on the Sunday. I will post reviews of the trip in a separate thread, and will be sure to include my thoughts on the chimp enclosure and chimps themselves (!) at Wingham :)
 
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