No, Tarsius, I would'nt say that the Manati exhibit in Nuremberg (and the exhibit in Tierpark Berlin, which you like to bash so much) is good. But yes, I think the MAIN reason in Nuremberg to built a new Manati exhibit was/is because of the visitors. If you compare it from that point with Lowry Zoo or Sea World, then it "looks" scabby. Another reason I presume is that they need more space for prospected youngs, which could'nt that easy and quickly placed in other zoos as other animals.
Of course, breeding success is NOT THE ONLY indicator, that makes a good exhibit (and keeping of animals). But it can be an indicator. Otherwise - in return - please explain me, why some animals (beyond them such as you have mentioned) do not breed in modern and spacious exhibits (by the same keepers and the same food), but has done it in smaller ones. There must have been something good (what exactly, many experts still thinking about).
Also to verify a little: Breeding success does'nt mean only births, it means reared as well. And also in this case Wuppertal doesn't stand that bad with its cat species.
By the way: It seems that youre bathtube has obviously more then regular size. Not bad.
For the golden cats and the other animals it's pretty ok The golden cats got the enclosures (plural) on the left, the panthers the old lion enclosure, the leopards the old tiger enclosure and the clouded leopards the old jaguar enclosure plus a attached cage. All not that small and bigger than in other zoos for these cats.
For the golden cats and the other animals it's pretty ok The golden cats got the enclosures (plural) on the left, the panthers the old lion enclosure, the leopards the old tiger enclosure and the clouded leopards the old jaguar enclosure plus a attached cage. All not that small and bigger than in other zoos for these cats.
Hmmmm ok, well I haven't been for 3 years so maybe the moving around is better than before, but I hope they build something better for all the cats in the future as apart from this it's a good zoo.
Hi it's me again. Maybe i'm a little bit biased because i have a strong preference for predators. But when i checked their website to look at their collection i got very enthousiastic when i saw all the big cats. I was a little bit disappointed when i saw their cat house. I think if they are not gonna change it right away they could at least put in viewing windows on the outside (this shouldn't be that expensive) so you can take a nice picture. Like they did with the snowleopard exhibt in krefeld. I know this doesn't change anything for the condition in which the animals are kept.
But as they say in Holland the eye wants something to.
By the way i know this zoo has more problem areas like the wolve enclosure but this is where they pride themselves on. their partypiece so to speak.
My overall opion of this zoo is that it is a nice zoo with the potential to be a great zoo
I think if they are not gonna change it right away they could at least put in viewing windows on the outside (this shouldn't be that expensive) so you can take a nice picture. Like they did with the snowleopard exhibt in krefeld. I know this doesn't change anything for the condition in which the animals are kept.
Sadly, you are wrong. With the windows, the visitors would get closer to the golden cats, that would stress them very much. Because of stress, often the part of the house where the golden cats are, is closed inside for the visitors. With windows in front, the cats would rarely go outside, because they are like this stressed enough by visitors (and also tapping on the glas would be a problem)!
As i remember (it's been 2 years) there is a rail a hedge and about 2 meters between where visators are standing and the cages. By the way almost all exhibits in zoo amneville are built in this way and the animals are very active outside.
Also if i'm not mistaking you can walk pas the inside cage and touch/tap the glas
In the inside isn't any glass
Animal is right, that would be to stressfull, especially for the female indian leopard, she's handreared, and very playful to the visitors.
I think that a window would be full of scratches very fast.
And it's no problem to take pictures through the fence, I've taken many many good pictures of the clouded leopard, panthers and indian leopards, from inside and outside the house!
@Zoomanic. You're right, my bathtube is huge, but in comapre to the former Manati"bathtube" at artis, my wife and me do have much more room in it ( but we're not breeding, not yet ! )
I have to dissapoint you , Nuremberg is one of justa few zoos in geramny, who is building and exhibits for the ANIMALS, so tehy build the Manatihouse becuase the poor living conditions for them, in the present pool.
Breeding insn't an indicator for a good welfare of animals, so feeding or the exhibits. Look around, and you will find a lot of examples, animals breeding and REARING young in poorest conditions, so in cirucsses or farms for fur animals, or even in Tierpark Berlin....
@Tarsius: Nuremberg is building for Animals ONLY because of their poor living conditions? Hm, and what about the noisy train stuffed with noisy children that is running along close to many animal exhibits since decades? What about the inside of the gorilla exhibit? Although they have moved out the Orang-Utans, it is still to small (not to mention that the Orangs left the zoo not before 2003). And the idea to bring in egytian vultures into the predator house was also not "the yellow of the egg" (means: did not make better the living conditions of the birds). And what about the looking-from-above-down-to-the-bears exhibits (Brown Bear)?
- Nothing against Tiergarten Nuremberg. It is a very good zoo. But he is - in the point of exhibitry - not the shining star in the zoo sky as you obviously think.
By the way: What is wrong if you built a new animal building because of visitor needs (and led flew in the newest scientifical knowledge about animal needs of course)?
Sorry, I'm still not agree: Breeding is a natural behaviour. Of course it is not the only indicator of a good wellfare. But if it is not happen, then something is wrong.
So back to Wuppertal: I think they have done and still do a good job and the way how they handle their cats is - if you look at all circumstances as @Eagle and @Animal mentioned - really not bad.
What about the inside of the gorilla exhibit? Although they have moved out the Orang-Utans, it is still to small (not to mention that the Orangs left the zoo not before 2003). And the idea to bring in egytian vultures into the predator house was also not "the yellow of the egg" (means: did not make better the living conditions of the birds). And what about the looking-from-above-down-to-the-bears exhibits (Brown Bear)?
