22 wolves killed in Sweden today

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Today was the first time, in 45 years, that a general hunt of wolves was permitted in Sweden. 22 animals are reported to have been killed today. 12000 hunters had applied for the special permit needed to shoot a wolf. Apparently, each kill must be immediatly reported to the authorities.

A governmental decision has ruled that a maximum of 210 wolves are allowed to live in Sweden. The number of wolves living here (or used to live here, I guess I should say...), I believe is estimated to be somewhere in the region of 250+ individuals.

This is a hot topic here in Sweden and as I am writing this about 1000 posts have been made in a thread on the leading tabloid’s web page discussing the issue. That is a lot by our standards.

From what I understand, governmental officials are working overtime tonight, recording each kill. I assume that the hunting quota will be filled up by tomorrow and the hunt be cancelled.
 
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210? Absurd. That's only 20-30 packs, in a country with more forest than any other European country west of Belarus. :mad:
 
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Thanks for your comments! I would be very interested in more opinions/reactions from the ZooChat community...
 
I'm not completely opposed to hunting or culling but there aren't so many more wolves than the figure allowed. If the numbers were hugely out of control then maybe, but I'm not convinced it's necessary in Sweden's case.
 
That's really not that many wolves that they're allowing to stay alive. Why so few? Sweden is pretty big!
 
210? at least 18 more kills are underway to meet that assuming the population is around 250. In sweden is there a lot of wild game for the wolves to feed on?
 
Here in British Columbia, Canada, wolves are not as popular as grizzlies for hunters, as this excerpt from a wildlife conservation website confirms:

Using the current estimated population figure of 17,000 grizzly bears the number of grizzly bears killed by all licensed hunters since 2002 is as follows:

2002 - 214
2003 - 229
2004 - 270
2005 - 262
2006 - 248

Canada also kills hundreds of thousands of seals, and I'm sure that hunters and many farmers wouldn't flinch from shooting wolves whenever coming into contact with the predators.;)
 
awfull! I really don't understand why, 250 wolves doesn't seem a lot for a country like Sweden. And I hate the fact that they've been hunted and killed. Why not capture them and release them somewhere else? Wolves are struggeling in Europe, we should help them not kill them! :mad:
 
I have nothing again sustainable use of natural resources, in this case of wolves. Many different animal species are hunted all over the globe, were hunted and will be hunted. If the official hunting is good managed to keep population at least stabil and illegal hunting is almost non-existent (I suppose so for Sweden), it´s nothing wrong in the principle.

Other question is why the Sweden administrative chose the target population of only 200 individuals? I would say it could be way more? The Slovak example - a country of 1/9 the size of Sweden has a wolf population between 150 (early spring) and ca 300 (autumn, before start of the hunting season). And don´t forget that Slovakia is much more densely populated than Sweden (110/km2 against 20/km2) so that wolves/human conflicts are way more often seen there.
 
I have nothing again sustainable use of natural resources, in this case of wolves. Many different animal species are hunted all over the globe, were hunted and will be hunted. If the official hunting is good managed to keep population at least stabil and illegal hunting is almost non-existent (I suppose so for Sweden), it´s nothing wrong in the principle.

I total agree here, there are obvious reasons why they are controlled and this is something that is lost of the human population. Were multiplying at a rate that is unsustainable and have been for decades yet there is only one country that I know of who tried to address this problem.

We our causing these problems in the world yet we are ignorant of it, even when such stories reach our ears.
 
Dan,
How are they being targeted? Is it just a ramdom shot, males, old?

I can't and never will agree with hunting, but I won't get into any arguement with anyone here.
Here in the UK there were plans to re-introduce wolves into an area of Scotland that would be man managed, those Swedish wolves would have been perfect for that plan.
 
Dan,
How are they being targeted? Is it just a ramdom shot, males, old?

I can't and never will agree with hunting, but I won't get into any arguement with anyone here.
Here in the UK there were plans to re-introduce wolves into an area of Scotland that would be man managed, those Swedish wolves would have been perfect for that plan.

How do you expect them to "man manage" them wolves? ;)
 
I have nothing again sustainable use of natural resources, in this case of wolves. Many different animal species are hunted all over the globe, were hunted and will be hunted. If the official hunting is good managed to keep population at least stabil and illegal hunting is almost non-existent (I suppose so for Sweden), it´s nothing wrong in the principle.

Other question is why the Sweden administrative chose the target population of only 200 individuals? I would say it could be way more? The Slovak example - a country of 1/9 the size of Sweden has a wolf population between 150 (early spring) and ca 300 (autumn, before start of the hunting season). And don´t forget that Slovakia is much more densely populated than Sweden (110/km2 against 20/km2) so that wolves/human conflicts are way more often seen there.

1) Sustainable use is fine by me and I have no qualms with that per se. Whether ecologically we can speak of sustainable usage here is debatable.
2) Viable population within the ecosystem should be the driving force of conservation policy.
3) Compensation schemes required in Sweden.
4) Better wolf-bear predation trained dogs needed in Sweden.

What I have learned already is that a percentage of wolves have been shot/injured, not killed. That is on top of the no. of wolves killed. In Sweden the number of hunters and licences seems rather over-ambitious (to put it diplomatically).

Hope this helps .. Dan!
(I love Sweden-Finland for its rugged forests-landscape-wildlife, many childhood + teen memories there travelling ....)
 
Thanks a lot for your comments!

I will try to provide you with some more facts on this matter:

First of all, I have learnt by now that the total quota was 27 individuals. So practically all were killed the very first day (death toll now said to be 21 in stead of 22). There has also been some confusion with regard to the total numbers actually killed, it might be only 25. Quotas were made for each individual hunting district, it seems that in one district "one to many" wolfes were shot whereas a couple of district couldn´t fulfill their quotas. Every wolf shot dead must be handed over to the authorities, for autopsys to be made. The lucky hunter can keep the skin/fur/pelt (what is the proper English expression?). All possible scientific use of this hunt will be made. Every dead animal will be studied in detail. The idea of introducing new speciments are are considered - when I was young only half a dozen wolfes lived in Sweden; much later a few individuals migrated here from Russia and the current population emante from them. Inbreeding is a problem. Much resources are devoted to research on the wolves - I sometimes get the impression that basically every pack is studied by some university or governmental institution, though I guess that I might be exaggerating a bit here.

The hunt is still front page news in Sweden, the debate is raging and "the two sides" are very split. Basically we have a devide between the countryside and people in urban areas. People in urban areas, like myself, tend to want Sweden to have sustainable number of wolfes in our country. (What is a "sustainable number", though? I honestly don´t know).

In the countryside people tend to be hostile towards wolfes. Cattle and sheep get killed. The odd pet dog, too. Here and there the people are afraid to let their children go out, when wolves have been sighted nearby. I live in the south of Sweden, where the wolfes are practically non-existent. Every now and the though, a young male will be coming down from the north, having wandered a 1000 kilometers or so in search of a female. Then it is front page news again! Every movement of the animal, any sighting, any photograph or blurry video taken will be reported in the press and on TV. As will every sheep it kills. The farmers and the hunters will apply to the authorities for permission to kill the animal. The authorities will say no. It is almost like a predictable soap opera and the last time it occurred was only a couple of months ago.


As for the ratios quoted above, and I am sure they are all correct, it has to be noted though that the small number of wolves in Sweden are in fact concentrated into rather small areas of the country, so statistics may be a bit misleading. But I would be the first to admit that the number of 210 appears a bit arbitrary. And then again - I am a city-dweller and an armchair conservationist - I am not the one who goes to attend my sheep in the morning, only to find that most of them are dead and that I have to kill a few of the survivors myself. By the way, and If you would like to, check out my rather melodramatically named thread on this very subject: http://www.zoochat.com/65/wolfes-automatic-killing-machines-60300/

What more can I tell you? Oh, we have about 300 000 - 400 000 moose in Sweden. (About 100 000 are killed in the autumn hunt every year.) We also have lots of roe deer etc. All the natural prey animals are here. In the far north we have a lot of semi-tame reindeer, managed by the only indiginous population in Sweden: The Sami. They are essientally fiercly anti-wolf and the authorities do their best to please them (if for no other reason, then because of the racial oppression that this people has suffered - one of Sweden´s dirty little secrets, by the way).

So, in the end, the question about the wolf in Sweden boils down to its "compatability" with man. Just like the tiger in India or.... yes... doesn´t this just sound all to familiar?

I want them here, in my country, but then again I am the armchair conservationist...
 
PS

I forgot to adress some of the comments from forumster Kifaru Bwana:


Yes, two or three wolfes (if I have understood it correctly) has been reported injured and are being searched to be killed. Not any greater number though. As for 12000 happy hunters being licensed to kill 27 animals... yes, I think I see your point!

Also: compensation schemes are in full force in Sweden. Generally speaking, Sweden being a semi-socialist state (as I sometimes like to put it) "we are pretty good at such things" ;) . I do not no the details but I am of the impression that any farmer is fully compensated for any live-stock killed by wolfes. There are also supposed to be schemes for subsidising "wolf-proof" fences and the likes of that
 
Oh... PS again...

Another interesting question that I failed to adress, this one from forumster chizlit:

"... random shot, males, old?"

As far as I have understood, it was "go out and shoot until your quota is fullfilled". No restrictions.

Oh... and some more that I forgot to write:

Actually, today, even some official political comments have been made. The leader of the "Youth section" (in search for a better word) of our Conservative Party has made some very critical comments (although The Conservative Party is the leading party in our current government coaltion).

The debate rages on.... it is a RED-HOT TOPIC here in Sweden.
 
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