Sydney Zoo $36 million zoo with roaming African animals planned for Blacktown

Took a look at Zoolex to see costs of prominent Austalian exhibits for comparison.
Taronga's Wild Asia complex (elephants, tapirs, etc)= AUD 31.8million
Melbourne Zoo Trail of the Elephants= AUD 13million (12 years ago)
Victoria's Open Range Zoo's Lions On The Edge = AUD 3.7million

So perhaps this AUD 36million zoo could happen (especially if land costs are not included), but what would it look like?
 
The key difference is that Sydney Zoo is private, All the exhibits listed above are at Government funded facilities. Unfortunately any major competitor for a government tender is going to attempt to get as much money as possible. Many government tenders are only open to a small number of organisations meaning competition is lower.
 
Took a look at Zoolex to see costs of prominent Austalian exhibits for comparison.
Taronga's Wild Asia complex (elephants, tapirs, etc)= AUD 31.8million
Melbourne Zoo Trail of the Elephants= AUD 13million (12 years ago)
Victoria's Open Range Zoo's Lions On The Edge = AUD 3.7million

So perhaps this AUD 36million zoo could happen (especially if land costs are not included), but what would it look like?

It is interesting to see the cost of several high-profile exhibits and as I said before in many parts of the world $36 million would only be enough to cover the cost of a top-class elephant exhibit. Even with private money being stretched to include a long list of 30 major exhibits, which Sydney Zoo is proposing to do, would mean that the animal enclosures will surely be very basic paddocks and chain-link yards as $36 million is peanuts in regards to opening a quality zoo in Australia. I would rather see the zoo open with a few truly world-class exhibits than 30 that are surely not going to be anything special unless there is a significant increase in the amount of money being invested into this enormous project.
 
I think you can do quite a lot with $36m, though perhaps not quite as much as is being anticipated here. My real concern is availability of animals - if they want elephants, three species of great apes, rhinos, hippos, giraffes... well, they're going to have to import a *lot*. That's where the money troubles will start.
 
I don't think they're at the stage of actually sourcing animals yet, although I don't think there are any lions in Australia with real conservation value.

I am very pleasantly surprised to see a nocturnal house and reptile house proposed, although disappointed (and not surprised) to see there's still no sign of even one aviary. I still don't know where on earth they think they're getting all these animals from, but it's hard not to admire the ambition.
 
interestingly the article linked above says "around 500 animals are to be exhibited, with each to be sourced from Australian and New Zealand zoos." - it is journalists, so maybe not to be taken literally, but if it is accurate then it does again the raise the question of how do they think they are going to be getting all the species they want from within existing Australasian stocks?


Elephas Maximus said:
Is there any info about lions' origin, whether they are worthless zoomix bastards or with proven subspecies?
if they are sourcing from within Australasia they will almost certainly be general zoo-mix lions. There are only relatively few pure South African lions in the region.
 
One would imagine that sourcing lions will not be the issue. A number of lions have been imported over the last couple of decades (unfortunately a number have been the white mutants), and they breed easily.

I would have thought sourcing hippos (or actually importing them) will be the bigger issue. Plenty of zoo-mix giraffe and 'antelopes' to choose from within the country.
 
"Featherdale Wildlife Park may close if Sydney Zoo opens: report"

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FEATHERDALE Wildlife Park may be forced to close if the proposed Sydney Zoo opens next year, the Doonside attraction says.

However, Sydney Zoo managing director Jake Burgess has rejected the claim the two cannot coexist, and said they could work together to create the “Gold Coast” of animal attractions in western Sydney.

Featherdale may lose up to 84 per cent of visitors if the zoo opened 6km away in Bungarribee, a report commissioned by the wildlife park’s parent company Elanor Investors Group said.

“The extent of the impacts the Featherdale Wildlife Park is likely to sustain from the Sydney Zoo can potentially lead to its closure,” the report stated.

Though the prediction was the “worst case scenario”, at the very least the zoo would “severely” affect Featherdale, Elanor spokesman David Lowe said.

“Our main concern is we feel this Sydney Zoo is not living up to the integrity of sustainable development,” he said.

“We don’t consider sustainable development to mean opening up something else to replace something that is already in place,” he said.

The report was part of one of 54 submissions made in response to the zoo’s Environmental Impact Statement released last year.

It had never been the zoo’s intention to push Featherdale out of the market, Mr Burgess said.

The small number of native animals would be part of an Aboriginal cultural exhibit, he said.

The zoo was willing to partner with Featherdale to work out joint ticketing to “grow the pie for everyone”, Mr Burgess said.

“So similarly to what we see in the Gold Coast where there’s a bunch of ostensibly similar attractions but they are all working together to create their own gravitational pull.”

Taronga Zoo also expressed concerns in a submission, including about the size of animal enclosures and food storage areas.

But the enclosure sizes would meet or be larger than required, Mr Burgess said.

Other submissions included concerns over the introduction of exotic African grasses to the area, but Mr Burgess said only native plants would be used.
 
Hilariously self-serving nonsense from Featherdale. 'Sustainable development' doesn't mean protecting businesses from competition.
 
Must admit Im never very keen on zoos opening on some established zoo`s patch,unless the existing zoo is a dump...and Featherdale certainly isnt that
 
LIONS, elephants and giraffes will be among a menagerie of animals that will make their home at a new zoo in Sydney’s west.

Elevated walkways will give visitors a treetop view of African animals like cheetahs, elephants, zebras, giraffes and rhinoceros when it opens in Blacktown in late 2017.

There will also be underwater glass viewing areas of hippopotamus, crocodiles and other aquatic life.

Hippos now won't be exhibited at the zoo when it opens, and instead, water buffalo will replace them:

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BUNGARRIBEE residents can rest assured no flatulent hippos will expel pungent odours.

The 3-tonne mammals will not be at Sydney Zoo, where construction is expected to start in August.

Managing director Jake Burgess said there were no permits to import the African animals into Australia but he did not rule out housing hippos in the zoo, on the Great Western Highway, in the future.

It was reported this year the emissions from hippos could pose a problem after plans were discussed in the zoo’s environmental impact statement.

Asian water buffalos will occupy the space initially earmarked for hippos. The enclosure will be next to a cafe and near a proposed picnic area.

Discounted tickets for locals, Aboriginal culture exhibits and a focus on conservation are being developed to woo visitors to Sydney Zoo.

Mr Burgess said the 16ha zoo would also permit visitors to bring food to attract budget-conscious families.

“We are not here to rip every dollar off western Sydney and we don’t want people to be disappointed,” Mr Burgess said.

“We’re going to have free parking (and) we’re exploring the possibility of local discounts for people in the immediate area.”

Mr Burgess said that the zoo would focus on developing a section that would educate visitors on indigenous culture.

This would comprise bush tucker cultivation and guided tours by Aboriginal elders.

The native section would also be a space where most native animals could roam free, except dingoes.

The zoo is in discussions with Muru Mittigar Aboriginal Cultural and Education Centre based at Castlereagh to help develop the plan.

Mr Burgess dismissed reports its proposed native animal areas would take over Featherdale Wildlife Park’s bread and butter.

“We’re not looking to compete with Featherdale (because) our native section will be completely different,” he said.

“It’s a totally different beast (to Featherdale) and is going to be an absolute mainstay.”

Another benefit of the attraction is that it would save time for local students who would normally travel over an hour to reach Taronga Zoo for excursions, Mr Burgess said.

“We’re not going to create a million David Attenboroughs but we want students to walk away and respect what conservation is all about,” he said.

The entrance to the zoo, which will be part of Western Sydney Parklands, is to be off the Great Western Highway on a 300m stretch of road with a roundabout.

Western Sydney Trust is expected to start construction on the road in about July.
 
I wonder how confusing Sydney is going to become for your average tourist who just wants to visit Taronga Zoo. You're going to have Taronga which I imagine many visitors would just call "Sydney Zoo", then you'll have the place actually called Sydney Zoo, and then you've also got Wild Life Sydney Zoo by the aquarium.

It's like there will basically be three different "Sydney Zoos" in the city.
 
-Asian water buffalos will occupy the space initially earmarked for hippos.-

I wonder how much difference in gas emissions Asian Water Buffalo create compared to Hippo, if gas emissions were indeed an initial concern?
 
-Asian water buffalos will occupy the space initially earmarked for hippos.-

I wonder how much difference in gas emissions Asian Water Buffalo create compared to Hippo, if gas emissions were indeed an initial concern?
especially given they will probably have a group of buffalo versus only two or three hippos.

EDIT: from the news article on page two of this thread (http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/ne...s/news-story/3dfcf85647bd1a665093fc6655596572):
Details released in the Environmental Impact Statement reveal effort is being undertaken to create a green zoo with mitigation strategies proposed to offset damaging impacts.

Among those include the gas emissions of 10 antelope, eight hippopotamus and two giraffes, or so called ruminant animals whose digestive systems emit large amounts of methane, which has a global warming potential 21 times higher than carbon dioxide.

The hippopotamus was calculated as having the greatest potential global warming impacts, with an annual emission of 46 tonnes, followed by antelopes at 4.2 tonnes and giraffe at 1.5 tonnes.

I'm assuming they didn't plan on having eight hippos when they opened though...
 
The report doesn't actually say the gas emissions are the reason for the change; they kind of imply it, but the statements from the zoo just say they couldn't import the hippos. I wouldn't be surprised if this is the first of a few "facing reality" moments for the zoo - they're going to have to give it some time like every other zoo, and not just spring into being fully stocked with A-list species.

EDIT:

I wonder how confusing Sydney is going to become for your average tourist who just wants to visit Taronga Zoo. You're going to have Taronga which I imagine many visitors would just call "Sydney Zoo", then you'll have the place actually called Sydney Zoo, and then you've also got Wild Life Sydney Zoo by the aquarium.

It's like there will basically be three different "Sydney Zoos" in the city.

How did Taronga never trademark the term "Sydney Zoo"? What was wrong with them?
 
How did Taronga never trademark the term "Sydney Zoo"? What was wrong with them?

Because that is not it's name. It's been referred to as "Sydney's Taronga Zoo", but the name "Sydney Zoo" is not a name they have ever used.

:p

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