biggest_dreamer
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I don't have a catchy title for this thread - this was hardly a full-on road trip, but regardless this past weekend allowed me to visit 6 facilities for the (for all intents and purposes) first time.
The main impetus for this trip was finding out a while back (thanks to @SusScrofa) that African civets were kept by a less-than-stellar place in Alabama called Tigers for Tomorrow. African civets are an absolute favorite species of mine, one that I assumed I'd never have a good opportunity to see, so I worked out a full itinerary of places to bundle with it to make the 5.5 hour drive a bit more worthwhile. Ultimately I would wind up visiting Tigers for Tomorrow and Birmingham Zoo on May 2nd, Alabama Safari Park and Montgomery Zoo on the 3rd, and finally Wild Animal Safari and Georgia Untamed Zoo on the 4th. None of these (with the relative exception of Birmingham) are very well-discussed on this site, so I figured I'd go through them and offer up a bit of commentary.
I took partial species lists at each facility for my own purposes - only tetrapods (excluding snakes), going in with the intention of only recording what I saw as opposed to signed/unseen. Once I was at some of these facilities, however, I did start recording signed/unseen species specifically because I thought the site might benefit from those more complete lists. I'll try and be explicit in terms of what each list actually covers as I post them.
Tigers for Tomorrow (Attalla, Alabama - 5/2/25)
Part of what took me so long to schedule this trip was the constant promise of bad weather just about every time I thought I'd get a free weekend. I finally committed to this past weekend after lucking into getting Friday off and the weather looked to be nice and clear... only for a massive storm to start showing up on the radar after I'd already booked some non-refundable hotel rooms. For this reason, I doubled down on Tigers for Tomorrow and their civets being my top priority, and made an effort to get here as soon as the gates opened. If the whole rest of the trip got rained out, I at least wanted to see some civets (or civet, as it turned out - their other one was permanently off display).
This facility is rough, there's no mincing words. Muddy, small kennels everywhere, some concrete-floored (my heart breaks again every time I recall the grizzly). Many felt overcrowded - why did one pair of servals get a relatively large and open enclosure, but just around the corner at least four were crammed into one less than half the size? Some of the lion and tiger enclosures, and I believe the black bear enclosure, seemed relatively okay for species of their sizes, but any potential goodwill that could have been derived from those enclosures was just immediately canceled out by the undersized leopard, jaguar, cougar, and cheetah enclosures right next door.
Honestly, there's not much I could say about this place that wasn't already covered by SusScrofa in his own thread following a recent visit. I already commented in there with my own observations matched against his species list. I will note that I chatted to varying lengths with two keepers (or perhaps one keeper and an owner/manager?), and they seemed like genuinely nice, passionate people... which in a way makes it more difficult to reconcile the horrid conditions I witnessed these large carnivores in.
Really, there is absolutely 0 reason for anyone who cares enough to be reading this to visit such a place... aside from the civet. And clearly I'm in no real position to judge here, because the civet was enough to draw me in, even knowing how shoddy the place is! And I do relish the entire 30 minutes or so I stood, marveling at the creature. It's sort of funny that SusScrofa commented on it being larger than expected, because for me it was the opposite - despite knowing that binturongs are the largest viverrid species, I still went in expecting the civet to be a bit larger than it was. It's a truly beautiful animal, combining so many traits that generally draw me to a species. I'm thankful I got to see it, regardless of the circumstances.
Aside from the civet, I also greatly appreciated getting to briefly see one of their common genets. Not a new species for me, but still an incredibly exciting one to unexpectedly come across. Aside from those two, however, everything was more or less standard fare from a species standpoint.
Birmingham Zoo (Birmingham, Alabama - 5/2/25)
I knew that I was going to want a palate cleanser, and thankfully Alabama's only AZA zoo was just about an hour up the road, leaving me plenty of time to work my way through.
By and large, the zoo was fairly nice, more or less what you'd expect from a standard AZA facility. All of the exhibits seemed suitably sized and furnished for their inhabitants while also being attractive from a guest perspective... with the notable exception of the zebra and ostrich enclosures, and a solid chunk of the giraffe enclosure, being paved over with asphalt. What? This felt so out of place in a mostly otherwise solid facility. A bit of post-visit research suggests that this whole Africa complex only opened in 2012 or so, and was designed with the intention of rotating various species in and out of the massive elephant exhibit throughout the day. That makes sense, but I wound up walking past the elephant exhibit at least half a dozen times over the course of the day and never saw anything in it beyond the elephants themselves. And even if it's rotational, why are these species stuck in asphalt yards for the rest of the day? Would love if anyone could provide some insight here, because again: this was a rare head-scratcher in an otherwise mostly strong zoo.
I want to say that it's hard to hone in on a favorite part of this zoo, because every area really did have something going for it, but that would be a lie: the Predator House was far and away my favorite area. Tough perhaps not the most modern in design or presentation, I'm an absolute sucker for small carnivorans above all else, and this house seemed designed to let them thrive. Between the exceptionally active Pallas's cats and red pandas, the adorably snoozing fennec fox, sand cat, and black-footed cats, and the coyotes ducking into their shaded rocky area between bouts out in the sun, this house stole my heart enough to walk through it three times over. It's a shame that the somewhat out of place Prevost's squirrel was off exhibit on that day, because that's another species I could watch for hours.
Another particular highlight was the bird section. I was expecting a small handful of aviaries, but what I walked into felt like dozens of them, showcasing both smaller birds as well as several larger open enclosures for cranes and ground hornbills. My only complaint here was that the signage seemed less up-to-date than anywhere else in the zoo - I had to ID several species myself, which I'm not always the most confident with when it comes to birds, but I think I managed well enough.
The Alabama Wilds was a very nice, aesthetically pleasing, much newer-feeling complex showing more or less what you'd expect from that sort of thing (golden eagle, sandhill crane, wild turkey, river otter, gopher tortoise). A pair of nice-looking enclosures for bobcat and cougar were disappointingly empty, but I was fortunate enough to witness a black bear climb down from a tree, then later climb back up it. Oklahoma City Zoo still easily takes the cake for best native exhibit complex that I've seen, but Birmingham sure gives it a fair shake.
Oh, I guess since I did hone in on the asphalt in the Africa exhibits, I should also mention that the orangutans in the somewhat confusingly themed South America/primates house also seemed to have a very poor exhibit. As far as I could tell, they were housed entirely indoors on a dirty mock-rock slope. The rest of the house encompassed much nicer exhibits for species such as giant anteater, jaguar, giant otter, black howler, Geoffroy's spider monkey, lar gibbon, cotton top tamarin, squirrel monkey, ring-tailed and crowned lemurs, Taveta golden weaver, and a De Brazza's monkey/cape porcupine mix, so I'm really hoping something good can come these apes' way much sooner than later. Seems like a new exhibit has been in the planning phase for a while, at least - let's see if it actually comes to fruition. And also, for better or worse, this does seem to be an older enclosure than the African exhibits, which makes its condition a bit more understandable (if not excusable).
This wasn't exactly a zoo for rarities, but it is notable for being a rare southern zoo that houses Pallas's cats. Most notable personal life list addition was Ross's turaco.
Anyway, all that to say, I really enjoyed Birmingham Zoo. It's not going to be topping any overall personal lists, but the vast majority of it was very well put together and I think it's probably the best one I visited overall this weekend. ...Maybe.
More to come tomorrow, probably.
The main impetus for this trip was finding out a while back (thanks to @SusScrofa) that African civets were kept by a less-than-stellar place in Alabama called Tigers for Tomorrow. African civets are an absolute favorite species of mine, one that I assumed I'd never have a good opportunity to see, so I worked out a full itinerary of places to bundle with it to make the 5.5 hour drive a bit more worthwhile. Ultimately I would wind up visiting Tigers for Tomorrow and Birmingham Zoo on May 2nd, Alabama Safari Park and Montgomery Zoo on the 3rd, and finally Wild Animal Safari and Georgia Untamed Zoo on the 4th. None of these (with the relative exception of Birmingham) are very well-discussed on this site, so I figured I'd go through them and offer up a bit of commentary.
I took partial species lists at each facility for my own purposes - only tetrapods (excluding snakes), going in with the intention of only recording what I saw as opposed to signed/unseen. Once I was at some of these facilities, however, I did start recording signed/unseen species specifically because I thought the site might benefit from those more complete lists. I'll try and be explicit in terms of what each list actually covers as I post them.
Tigers for Tomorrow (Attalla, Alabama - 5/2/25)
Part of what took me so long to schedule this trip was the constant promise of bad weather just about every time I thought I'd get a free weekend. I finally committed to this past weekend after lucking into getting Friday off and the weather looked to be nice and clear... only for a massive storm to start showing up on the radar after I'd already booked some non-refundable hotel rooms. For this reason, I doubled down on Tigers for Tomorrow and their civets being my top priority, and made an effort to get here as soon as the gates opened. If the whole rest of the trip got rained out, I at least wanted to see some civets (or civet, as it turned out - their other one was permanently off display).
This facility is rough, there's no mincing words. Muddy, small kennels everywhere, some concrete-floored (my heart breaks again every time I recall the grizzly). Many felt overcrowded - why did one pair of servals get a relatively large and open enclosure, but just around the corner at least four were crammed into one less than half the size? Some of the lion and tiger enclosures, and I believe the black bear enclosure, seemed relatively okay for species of their sizes, but any potential goodwill that could have been derived from those enclosures was just immediately canceled out by the undersized leopard, jaguar, cougar, and cheetah enclosures right next door.
Honestly, there's not much I could say about this place that wasn't already covered by SusScrofa in his own thread following a recent visit. I already commented in there with my own observations matched against his species list. I will note that I chatted to varying lengths with two keepers (or perhaps one keeper and an owner/manager?), and they seemed like genuinely nice, passionate people... which in a way makes it more difficult to reconcile the horrid conditions I witnessed these large carnivores in.
Really, there is absolutely 0 reason for anyone who cares enough to be reading this to visit such a place... aside from the civet. And clearly I'm in no real position to judge here, because the civet was enough to draw me in, even knowing how shoddy the place is! And I do relish the entire 30 minutes or so I stood, marveling at the creature. It's sort of funny that SusScrofa commented on it being larger than expected, because for me it was the opposite - despite knowing that binturongs are the largest viverrid species, I still went in expecting the civet to be a bit larger than it was. It's a truly beautiful animal, combining so many traits that generally draw me to a species. I'm thankful I got to see it, regardless of the circumstances.
Aside from the civet, I also greatly appreciated getting to briefly see one of their common genets. Not a new species for me, but still an incredibly exciting one to unexpectedly come across. Aside from those two, however, everything was more or less standard fare from a species standpoint.
Birmingham Zoo (Birmingham, Alabama - 5/2/25)
I knew that I was going to want a palate cleanser, and thankfully Alabama's only AZA zoo was just about an hour up the road, leaving me plenty of time to work my way through.
By and large, the zoo was fairly nice, more or less what you'd expect from a standard AZA facility. All of the exhibits seemed suitably sized and furnished for their inhabitants while also being attractive from a guest perspective... with the notable exception of the zebra and ostrich enclosures, and a solid chunk of the giraffe enclosure, being paved over with asphalt. What? This felt so out of place in a mostly otherwise solid facility. A bit of post-visit research suggests that this whole Africa complex only opened in 2012 or so, and was designed with the intention of rotating various species in and out of the massive elephant exhibit throughout the day. That makes sense, but I wound up walking past the elephant exhibit at least half a dozen times over the course of the day and never saw anything in it beyond the elephants themselves. And even if it's rotational, why are these species stuck in asphalt yards for the rest of the day? Would love if anyone could provide some insight here, because again: this was a rare head-scratcher in an otherwise mostly strong zoo.
I want to say that it's hard to hone in on a favorite part of this zoo, because every area really did have something going for it, but that would be a lie: the Predator House was far and away my favorite area. Tough perhaps not the most modern in design or presentation, I'm an absolute sucker for small carnivorans above all else, and this house seemed designed to let them thrive. Between the exceptionally active Pallas's cats and red pandas, the adorably snoozing fennec fox, sand cat, and black-footed cats, and the coyotes ducking into their shaded rocky area between bouts out in the sun, this house stole my heart enough to walk through it three times over. It's a shame that the somewhat out of place Prevost's squirrel was off exhibit on that day, because that's another species I could watch for hours.
Another particular highlight was the bird section. I was expecting a small handful of aviaries, but what I walked into felt like dozens of them, showcasing both smaller birds as well as several larger open enclosures for cranes and ground hornbills. My only complaint here was that the signage seemed less up-to-date than anywhere else in the zoo - I had to ID several species myself, which I'm not always the most confident with when it comes to birds, but I think I managed well enough.
The Alabama Wilds was a very nice, aesthetically pleasing, much newer-feeling complex showing more or less what you'd expect from that sort of thing (golden eagle, sandhill crane, wild turkey, river otter, gopher tortoise). A pair of nice-looking enclosures for bobcat and cougar were disappointingly empty, but I was fortunate enough to witness a black bear climb down from a tree, then later climb back up it. Oklahoma City Zoo still easily takes the cake for best native exhibit complex that I've seen, but Birmingham sure gives it a fair shake.
Oh, I guess since I did hone in on the asphalt in the Africa exhibits, I should also mention that the orangutans in the somewhat confusingly themed South America/primates house also seemed to have a very poor exhibit. As far as I could tell, they were housed entirely indoors on a dirty mock-rock slope. The rest of the house encompassed much nicer exhibits for species such as giant anteater, jaguar, giant otter, black howler, Geoffroy's spider monkey, lar gibbon, cotton top tamarin, squirrel monkey, ring-tailed and crowned lemurs, Taveta golden weaver, and a De Brazza's monkey/cape porcupine mix, so I'm really hoping something good can come these apes' way much sooner than later. Seems like a new exhibit has been in the planning phase for a while, at least - let's see if it actually comes to fruition. And also, for better or worse, this does seem to be an older enclosure than the African exhibits, which makes its condition a bit more understandable (if not excusable).
This wasn't exactly a zoo for rarities, but it is notable for being a rare southern zoo that houses Pallas's cats. Most notable personal life list addition was Ross's turaco.
Anyway, all that to say, I really enjoyed Birmingham Zoo. It's not going to be topping any overall personal lists, but the vast majority of it was very well put together and I think it's probably the best one I visited overall this weekend. ...Maybe.
More to come tomorrow, probably.