A review of french zoos by a spanish zookeeper

Thank you Corby for this truly fascinating topic!
While I haven't yet had the opportunity to visit all the zoos and aquariums you've featured, your reviews of the zoos I have visited are very insightful and generally match my own impressions.
 
Great thread! Your posts were very insightful and detailed, it was a pleasure to read them.
If you want to visit more French parks, here is some recommandations :

-Parc de Branféré
-Vallée des Singes
-Réserve africaine de Sigean
-Parc animalier d'Auvergne
-Parc animalier de Sainte Croix
-Zoo du Bassin d'Arcachon
-Zoodysée
All great parks for different reasons in my opinion
 
Great thread! Your posts were very insightful and detailed, it was a pleasure to read them.
If you want to visit more French parks, here is some recommandations :

-Parc de Branféré
-Vallée des Singes
-Réserve africaine de Sigean
-Parc animalier d'Auvergne
-Parc animalier de Sainte Croix
-Zoo du Bassin d'Arcachon
-Zoodysée
All great parks for different reasons in my opinion

All of them in my must to see list!, the only one I've visited is Sigean and I want to repeat to look for the new developments of the park.
 
Sigean has made a new african aviary in 2019 that is fantastic. You should see it if you haven't.
And if you are a bird freak, I can also recommend Parc des Oiseaux, near Lyon. Oceanopolis is also the best aquarium in France and is worth visiting when the renovations are done
 
Great thread! Your posts were very insightful and detailed, it was a pleasure to read them.
If you want to visit more French parks, here is some recommandations :

-Parc de Branféré
-Vallée des Singes
-Réserve africaine de Sigean
-Parc animalier d'Auvergne
-Parc animalier de Sainte Croix
-Zoo du Bassin d'Arcachon
-Zoodysée
All great parks for different reasons in my opinion


These are indeed very good choices. I would also recommend visiting Mulhouse Zoo, which features species relevant to rare species hunters, combined with a very attractive botanical setting and very good enclosures.
France is full of very good zoos and enthusiasts will never get tired of them (in my opinion).
 
Great thread! Your posts were very insightful and detailed, it was a pleasure to read them.
If you want to visit more French parks, here is some recommandations :

-Parc de Branféré
-Vallée des Singes
-Réserve africaine de Sigean
-Parc animalier d'Auvergne
-Parc animalier de Sainte Croix
-Zoo du Bassin d'Arcachon
-Zoodysée
All great parks for different reasons in my opinion

I would add Villars les Dombes, as you did in another post - it well deserves to be here - as well as la Boissière, if only for their modern, extremely large carnivore enclosures.

As an aside, have you been to Arcachon ? If so, what is your opinion on the place ? It's a park I haven't had the pleasure to visit either and I've heard both good and bad things about it. Looking at pictures, it seems they've got great hoofstock enclosures but other ones seem to be quite subpar, especially the primate ones. I'm not too impressed by their recent gorilla complex... but I haven't been there so I reckon I might be wrong about this.
 
I haven't been to Archachon yet. From what I've seen, the enclosures look pretty great and it is a pretty peculiar place to visit thanks to the place it's located. I would say it's definitively worth the visit.
I definitively thought about La Boissière, as it's the park I'm most familiar with (I live pretty close). Despite the recent carnivores enclosures, I didn't think it was great enough to be mentioned. But it's still pretty good and if you are close to the region it's a nice visit
 
THAT'S ALL FOLKS AND CONCLUSIONS

When I began the reviews and visit all these zoos (in the past I've visited other french zoos but without the vision you have when you work in a zoo and you see the part both the commercial and animal welfare vision), I said that in Spain you hear a lot in the guild that "France is better than Spain for the zoos because there is more park culture", and after visit small, medium, big, general, specialized, in winter, in summer, in cloudy, runny and sunny days... I must say THAT'S NOT TRUE.

Obviously if you see a park like Beauval you are going to see it plain of public or with at least 200-300 visitors in the show's performance area (a good trick to know the success or not of a park is go to the bird, dolphins, sea lions... shows and see how full is the stadium), including a rainy day, you are going to say "holly s... french love visit zoos" but when you visit the other zoos in the same conditions and you see that in the park you're alone or practicelly alone, you see the reality. The french public is exactly the same than the spanish (or the country you prefer) public. If it's a cool place and you have lots of wonders to see the park is going to be more filled than a small one or than a shabby one.

And I must say that if AFDZA zoos are filled (or with acceptable numbers) is not because the medium visitor see "zoo" or "aquarium" and goes automatically, it's because the director/owner/CEO has made a good job.

"But, the french tourist prefers more see animals, here in a touristic place, a park is not always filled even if there are lots of tourist". Well, I'm going to give an example. I've work in bird shows, and what I've seen is that not all the shows don't deserve to be filled. One show I worked in Spain, was in a terrible bad area for tourism, and, as the show was well designed and developed, the park had good numbers of visitors, IN AN AREA WITHOUT ANY OTHER TOURIST ATTRACTIVES. In French, I visited a park with a bird show (is curious how memory works when you want to critice, I've forgotten the name of the place) that was near a touristic area, plain of tourists. According to the theory, the park should be plain of tourists seeing the bird show, but how the show was bad and without a good "mise en scène", there wasn't so much public. Is that because the french hates the spectacle or shows? Absolutely not (you've only to see how much fill "les maitres des airs" from Beauval or "le bal des oiseaux fantomes" from Puy du Fou), that's because you don't give the public what they want.

Other commentary I've heard lots of times in Spain, you can't have rare animals like hornbills, okapis... because the spanish public don't appreciate it... And WHAT SURPRISE! when french normal visitors go to french zoos, they don't lose their a... for search or fight for see the okapis, babyrousas or other species like that. They want to see lions and pandas.

About the shows, in Spain I've heard lots of times "public don't like anymore the shows". When I was a child, I remember go to see bird shows to big zoos and see how public would start clapping until their hands hurt, how they stay with the mouth open seeing the flight of vultures and bald eagles, how music made the hurt get excited. I've seen the shows in these same zoos once years have passed and see how the show has been downgraded and that public was like "ey one bird, ey another bird..." That's because public don't like them? not, it's because you don't give quality (There is just to see bird shows like Puy du Fou, Beauval or Tierra Rapaz to see how a good show makes a different sensation in the public)

And for last, I've to finish about the commentaries about the visitors. When you hear spanish people from zoos talking about french visitors, practicelly you belive that they go by the park fixing everything they found and that every children is like a small angel. It's true that french are so much quiet than spanish public, and that, in general, the adults are quite more respectfull, but I can't say the same of the children. I've work 15 years with children and without any doubt I can say that children are children in Spain, France, Germany and all over the world, and that (sometimes without bad intention, sometimes with real intention) are going to make exactly the same foolishness that when we were children too. And that's not bad! They have the same curiosity everywhere (for example, practicelly every zoo I visited and there was a group of schoolchildren, at least one of them asked why I made photos of the zoo). I think that this part there is a big part of romanticism towards the French public (I don't know if the french zoochaters can agree with me in that part)

So, why there are lots of french zoos? Why french zoos are more appreciated and visited than spanish zoos. The answer is simple. In Spain if you go by the street and there are 5 bars, and from these, 3 are completely filled and the other 2 not and if you go inside the 5 and you compare the service of the 5, you understad that the 3 gives a good service and the other 2 are plain of s... That's exactly the same for the zoos.

If your zoo shows animals in ugly, small exhibitions, public is not going to appreciate it, if your zoo doesn't have good educational talks or good bird shows (when I talk about bird shows, I talk about REAL bird shows where animal develope natural behaviour, there is a good education level and the importance of conservation, not the circus show where you see, for example, a macaw in a bike), people (and specially children) are going to be bored, if your education and investigation level is a s... evidently the scientific community are not going to take you in serious... and I could be talking like that all the day.

Other real important part, is that I've the impression that, in Spain, in the guild, we've forgot our past and where we came from.

Lots of times, I've seen spanish zookeepers and other staff that, when you talk with them, and you talk about biology, behaviour, diet... of the animal they care, is like you're speaking in latin and the real impression is that what they care is not a complex animal, and is just a munch of beef. And of course, if you ask them about the fathers of the conservation and animal behaviour, they don't know anything about them. I'm not going to pay a spanish zookeeper how knows all the good zoos directors or all the societys, but, how can be possible we've forgotten the figures of Jean Delacour or Gerald Durrell? How we can keep of endangered species without know how all the spirit of conservation arrived? How we can talk about education, investigation and conservation if we don't real care about that? I've talk with spanish directors that with proud they say "ey we have 25 endangered species and we participate in 7 conservation programs". When you ask about how many animals are bred every year or how many young animals sourvive they say 0, when you ask how many ONGs or local populations they found, they say 0. When you ask them about which food prefer the animal or the behaviour during courtship or wharever will be the information you need about the species, the answer is "I don't know". When you ask them how many times they develop campaigns to make understand public the work of zoos, they say 0. But "ey, we educate, we investigate, we conservate". There are, of course, exceptions of spanish zoos that every year are making news, that have good enclosures, that the collection is all an example, that are renewed and that the director or the staff know perfectly the behaviour of the animal or the conservation work, but there are lot of work to do.

I don't know if this post is going to be read by spanish zookeepers, educators or simply freaks, but men, it's time to stop romanticizing. If France is good for the zoos it's because French do two things very well, "le haute cuisine" and the zoos and in Spain we do the first very well so it's time to change the second one and begin to make real good enclosures, shows or simply customer service.

To the rest, I must say, I've really enjoyed France, if there is any staff or director of the zoos I've reviewed, simply give you the congratulations. It's good to take your work as example and make stop the excuses.
 
Thanks for your reviews Corby ! It was a delight to read !

In French, I visited a park with a bird show (is curious how memory works when you want to critice, I've forgotten the name of the place) that was near a touristic area, plain of tourists.

I'm guessing you're talking about the now closed park called "Les Aigles de Valmy" near Perpignan am I right ?
 
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