African Elephants in Europe 2020

I actually have a theory about this. I think that Halle, Hodenhagen, Dresden and Opel will all end up keeping the animals they received from Berlin.

In return, Berlin, when the new exhibit is really, will recall Kando from Magdeburg, and get Veri, Nelly, and possibly Umtali from Hodenhagen. In a perfect world, Nelly would arrive at Berlin pregnant or with a young calf sired by Jumaane at Hodenhagen, too.

If Magdeburg wants to maintain a group of four young bulls, Ayo or Jumaane could be sent from Hodgenhagen as well.

This move will allow all facilities involved to maintain matriarchal breeding groups, while still making sure Berlin is "repaid" for the animals they've sent out.
I read, that an examination of a Tembos sperm sample did not reveal any motile sperm. So I'm not sure, if Dresden will have any calfs.

About Hodenhagen, I don't think, that inbred bull Jumaane is the best partner for Nelly. If it's possible, inbred elephants shouldn't be used in reproduction. There are few young elephant bulls, which could be better partners for her, like Janu and M'Changa in Bristol, Tuluba and Shawu in Zoo du Bassin d'Arcachon or Kando in Magdeburg.
 
I read, that an examination of a Tembos sperm sample did not reveal any motile sperm. So I'm not sure, if Dresden will have any calfs.
Yes, unfortunately, it is true. The zoo also announced that Sawu and Mogli would probably not get pregnant because of it. But there is still a chance at Drumbo. I think they should swap the bull with Basel quickly. Jack is a good bull and has no breeding opportunity.
 
I think, that Kariba and Lilac will stay in Kronberg. There is new large enclosure and they want to restore elephant breeding after long pause.
The whole point of the current exercise of moving African elephants across European / UK zoos has been to ensure that the conditions with African elephants in social herd structures mirroring their wild counterparts is ensured. Both cows Kariba and Lilak will move in the next few weeks and are to stay indefinitely at Kronberg Zoo (after their move there).
 
Zwei Dickhäuter für Opel-Zoo: Hoffen aufs junge Elefantenglück
Kariba and Lilak from Tierpark Berlin moved to Kronberg this morning. Interestingly, the zoo planned to bring them already in March, but due to coronavirus it was postponed. They also planned to move Aruba and Zimba elsewhere after Lilak and Kariba will come, but after Aruba's death it was canceled and Zimba would remain in Kronberg.
 
Some very interesting news!

Tembo, after nearly two years at Dresden, will be moving to the Vienna in the near future, and Tonga at Hodenhagen will be moving to Dresden to replace him.

This a somewhat risque move, but has the potential for great impact if it succeeds. Tonga is very valuable, wild caught with only two offspring (and he's a natural breeder to boot), so if he is able to get the cows at Dresden (all wild caught with no living offspring) pregnant, the resulting calves would be INCREDIBLY genetically valuable, and arguably spectacular looking, given that all animals involved have very nice tusks.

Of course Tembo seems to be infertile right now, but perhaps a change of pace with a new facility and new cows could change that? If he is indeed able to become fertile again, Vienna has a stellar group of cows, with proven, valuable cows Tonga and Numbi, along with three young females, Mongu, Iqhwa, and Kibali, all of whom are also very genetically valuable. Iqhwa just entering her prime age to get pregnant for the first time at 7 years old, and Mongu, at 17, is in desperate need of getting pregnant to ensure her reproductive success as she continues to age. Once again, should it succeed, the animals born of this transfer should also be amazing looking, as Tembo and the Vienna cows all have very nice tusks and structure as well.

Overall, this is a very exciting time for African Elephants in Europe, a number of transfers and developments over the past five years will likely serve to greatly strengthen the population for years to come! Notable ones showing success or promise include:

Exchange of Jums and Junmar to Cabarceno, and Coco to Howletts. 8 calves have been born between the two facilities in the past 3 years as the result of this transfer. Some of these calves are fourth generation captive bred as well, which is very unique for African Elephants.

Transfer of Kibo from Vienna to Erfurt in 2015. Just this year a calf was finally born as the result of this transfer, the mother is incredibly genetically valuable, and this is a full second generation birth, which is cool.

Transfer of Jack from Sosto to Basel in 2017. Sadly it would seem the Basel cows are unable to concieve, however the effort behind the move was well intentioned out

Exchange of Tusker to Rhenen and Tooth to Wuppertal in 2019. Duna at Rhenen is now pregnant and due in 2021, and Tooth, although still figuring out the exact motions, is very interested in the cows, and I have no doubt he will get them pregnant soon enough.

Transfer of Panya and Ayo to Hodenhagen to reunite with Bibi in 2020 (who was sent there in 2017). There is a reasonable chance to believe that Bibi, and maybe even Panya, will be pregnant (or are already pregnant) from Tonga before he leaves later this year.

Transfer of Pori to Halle in 2020. This reunites Bibi with her daughter and grandaughters, and although unlikely, will perhaps allow Bibi to breed again now that she is in a different environment.

Transfer of Lilak and Kariba to Kronberg in 2020. This allows the potential for Kronberg to establish a breeding herd.

And happening in the near future, the transfer of Akili from Peaugres to Beauval, which will give Beauval the chance to start breeding naturally if things go well.
 
That's great news. I'm excited about this movements. Maybe I will be definitely satisfied with african elephants in Europe and that doesn't happen very often. I hope, that african elephant's breeding will continue in this way.

Despite that, I do have a few questions.
How will be partner for Bibi and Panya in Hodenhagen? And will have Beekse Bergen other bull? I would like to see Jack from Basel there, but we will see. Lisabon propably needs new bull too.
 
That's great news. I'm excited about this movements. Maybe I will be definitely satisfied with african elephants in Europe and that doesn't happen very often. I hope, that african elephant's breeding will continue in this way.

Despite that, I do have a few questions.
How will be partner for Bibi and Panya in Hodenhagen? And will have Beekse Bergen other bull? I would like to see Jack from Basel there, but we will see. Lisabon propably needs new bull too.
Fifteen-year-old Laci Jumaane is in Hodenhagen too.
Beekse Bergen would really need a bull, because Calimero is clearly incapable of breeding.
Lisbon will rather get a new bull after the opening of the new facility and it will be for a long time.
Something should also happen in Valencia. The Kibo is probably too old and the Jambo should be replaced so that valuable cows in Valencia can be bred.
 
Hyak, what makes you believe that Tembo is infertile? I dont believe that for a second. As far as I understand they tried to get a sperm sample but failed (but a single bad sperm sample would definately not be enough to diagnose fertility problems!). The most likely reason why the females in Dresden dont get pregnant is that they are too old. Dresden waited too long. Which means Tonga is wasted there but will hopefully move elsewhere in 2 years.
 
Hyak, what makes you believe that Tembo is infertile? I dont believe that for a second. As far as I understand they tried to get a sperm sample but failed (but a single bad sperm sample would definately not be enough to diagnose fertility problems!). The most likely reason why the females in Dresden dont get pregnant is that they are too old. Dresden waited too long. Which means Tonga is wasted there but will hopefully move elsewhere in 2 years.
Truth be told, the only "real" thing that makes me say that was the one bad sperm sample they got from him, and I too find it odd that a proven bull, after producing 7 calves in an 8 year spanwould suddenly be infertile. I do find it somewhat odd that his last offspring was in 2007, but of course that could be Pori's fault (I've heard that she had issues cycling due to social stress, not sure how true that is though) just as much as Tembo's, assuming Berlin was even trying to breed them.

I fear the same for Dresden, but I do hold out some hope for them still. Some old cows (Kreeblamduan for example) still manage to have a first calf at an old age, and others (like Mikki at Louisville) will have calves after 10+ year gaps. I suppose all we can do is wait and see, and cross our fingers and hope something works out (Or if not, that they send Tonga into a breeding group again quickly, like you said).
 
Who else thinks that some young African Elephants should be moved to Colchester Zoo to stimulate breeding? I personally hope that Colchester and the Studbook move Tembo to a different heard in exchange for a proven breeding Bull Elephants. Colchester has had multiple births since the early 2000’s but all have been stillborn apart from 2 Kito and Jambo. Sadly Kito passed away in the Cez Republic during 2017.

I think that the following moves should happen
Muchuba and Impy from Howeletts to Noah’s Ark Zoo Farm
Tembo from Colchester to another zoo
Sutton from West Midlands Safari Park or Jambo from Bioparc Valencia to Colchester.
I know that Colchester talked about using Jambo’s sperm. As Jambo is not getting on with the dominant female at Bioparc Valencia I think they should move Jambo about not just some of his Sperm to Colchester.
 
@Elephantelephant and @Elephant Enthusiast is there any updates regarding the African Elephants at Colchester Zoo? Where are Impy and Muchba from Howeletts going? Also have the new Elephants for West Midlands Safari Park been identified?
Finally do you think that Jambo from Bioparc Valencia will come to England?
 
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@Elephantelephant and @Elephant Enthusiast is there any updates regarding the African Elephants at Colchester Zoo? Where are Impy and Muchba from Howeletts going? Also have the new Elephants for West Midlands Safari Park been identified?
Finally do you think that Jambo from Bioparc Valencia will come to England?

@Elephantelephant too flip these questions on their heads where would you move these Elephants too if you were the Studbook Keeper? With regards to Colchester's Elephant heard what what happen if you were in the shoes of the Studbook Keeper?

Kind regards The Hedgehog
 
So,
Tembo from Dresden will move soon to Vienna, Tonga from Hodenhagen to Dresden. Akili from Peaugres will move to Beauval (how much longer will we wait!).

My opinions:
Impy and Mchumba they should move to Noah's Ark
Jack from Basel should move to Beekse Bergen
Jambo from Valencia to Lissabon
Jassa from Lissabon to Peaugres
Tembo should stay in Colchester, Zola will be move somewhere (Blair Drummond, Amneville...), any two cows from Valencia to Colchester (Valencia has space for four cows and two bulls), if they wanted, they could relocate Opal somewhere
Yambo or oder bull from Cabarceno move to Valencia
Carl from Talinn move to Sosto (if he is fertile at all)
Abu from Halle will should move to Zlin in two years (among other things, it is very likely that it will really happen, because Zlin said that they are making prospects for a bull from Germany in the coming years and is a very successful breeder. This is what describing Abu.)
As for the West Midlands, it will take a while, so I wouldn't deal with it yet. (for example, Niko from Amneville could go there)
 
@Elephant Enthusiast and @Elephantelephant do either of you know or can estimate, which time new and enlarged African enclosure enclosure at West Midlands Safari Park will be completed by? Also will you be able to watch the Elephants on foot or just exclusively from your vehicle? On another note when will the identity of the Elephants that are joining Five and Latebe be known. Finally I would like to say that I'm happy that an English animal attraction is refurbishing and extending their Elephant enclosure to support the long term future of Elephants residing within it.

Kind regards The Hedgehog
 
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