Taronga Zoo African Savannah and Congo Forest development plans

I’m obviously not Kudu21 but I’ll share what I think… and hopefully Kudu will chime in later.
Ungulates are always more interesting when housed in a herd - but this is redundant with okapis because they are a solitary animal - so that's not possible.
Okapi have occasionally been housed in small herds of 2-3 related adult females and calves. Nonetheless, a single okapi alone will be more than enough for the habitat. Most of the general public will be intrigued at their rather “weird” look so Taronga/Melbourne can use that to make the habitat very educational and as interesting as possible.
2. Can they be housed in a mixed species exhibit? Perhaps house them with colobus monkeys for example - that would make for an interesting exhibit.
I don’t know if they’ve been successfully housed with primates before but I do know they have been housed with a variety of hoofstock species. Some examples I can think of right now would be bongo, nyala, and various duiker species.
 
I’ve seen Okapi at London Zoo and thought they displayed well. The outdoor area wasn’t huge and offered a decent view of them; while maintaining some degree of privacy through the use of vegetation.

The cow and calf were inside the stable on my visit (the cow was eating from a feed bucket) and you could see them at close range, which was captivating.

In both scenarios, the Okapi seemed totally unphased by the crowds of people and I thought they made an excellent stand alone exhibit. Whether there was one or several was irrelevant (though I’ll admit seeing the calf was particularly exciting).

It’d be easy for Taronga to achieve something similar (they have limited space after all); which combined with commonsense measures like identifying Okapi who have lived in a similar habitat (not a huge field where they never see the public); and adjusting vegetation cover as their requirements for privacy indicate, I believe it could work.

As a new species to the region, I’d expect public interest to run high for many years - especially if other zoos are slow to come onboard.
 
Okapi are one of my absolute favorite species, but I would have to concur that they would not make for a standout exhibit or a be a real drawcard replacement for the zoos phasing out elephants. They do really well as supporting acts in a larger African Rainforest story, but the general public will not consider them the stars (although they'll always be my stars). I will say, I also wouldn't go as far as to say that bongo would serve any better as a standout/stand alone exhibit, as while bongo are also absolutely stunning and are exhibited in herds, they are even less active than okapi. I have worked with a lot of bongo in my time, and they are truly some of the laziest animals (and messiest, but that's another story).

Okapi are absolutely striking, yes,and their strange appearance does tend to hold an audience more than many hoofstock species, but the general public still give them little more than a passing glance after they briefly gawk and say "look at that half-zebra, half-horse" while trying to figure out how to pronounce their name. While I will say that okapi are not always as shy and reclusive as people like to make them out to be (I think this assumption largely comes from the well known fact that they were not known to western science until so recently) -- they are, in fact, usually one of the most tractable of hoofstock species -- they are still hoofstock, and primarily nocturnal hoofstock at that. They will almost always spend the majority of their day standing in the shade, browsing, and even the most tractable individuals can be quite skittish, and it is usually really random things that set them off.

Okapi do also not generally mix well. I would not mix them with anything larger than a yellow-backed duiker. A male nyala killed an okapi in a mixed-species enclosure at the Blank Park Zoo here in the States. Birds usually do well (okapi usually leave them alone, as opposed to other hoofstock species), and I know Doue in France mixes theirs with owl-faced guenons in a large aviary, but I'm not so sure I would want to mix them with more boisterous colobus. On rare occasion, multiple okapi can be housed together-- San Diego had up to five related individuals sharing an enclosure and the Species Survival Center in New Orleans has three (1.2) individuals living together in a 22-acre enclosure. It just depends on the personality of the individuals. Individual okapi have very distinct and very differing personalities. Breeding pairs can sometimes be housed together permanently, but a lot of the times they are too aggressive to be housed together outside of breeding (okapi courtship in and of itself is actually quite aggressive). I do not think that multiple intact males could be housed together long-term -- I have personally worked with males that would try to attack each other through fencelines.

At the end of the day, I think it is important for us to remember that our perspectives as zoo and animal nerds are not going to be the same as the general zoo-going audience. To most of the zoo-going public, to the families with children that have probably never heard of an okapi before, even if the okapi is the only okapi in the country, they are still probably only going to think of it as a weird zebra-horse. This is, of course, truly unfortunate, as okapi are such unique animals with such a unique story to tell, but it is what it is. This absolutely shouldn't deter a zoo from wanting to exhibit them, as you never know who will be inspired by them and it's important to tell the story for those who will listen, but don't expect an impact because they would have an impact on us.

So what would make an engaging okapi exhibit? In my opinion, making the okapi a part of the greater story of the African rainforest, showing them as a facet of that habitat, alongside the great apes, monkeys, birds, and pygmy hippos, creates more impact. Both the San Diego and Dallas Zoos have a demonstration area where keepers bring an okapi over to feed while they give a talk about okapi, and it is during these demonstrations that I have seen the public the most engaged with okapi. Using sightlines to create the illusion that the okapi is in the same space as the other animals also creates an engaging display. This is also a facet of both the San Diego and Dallas Zoo okapi enclosures, both being placed behind their Nile hippopotamus enclosures.
 
I remember seeing a zoo tv program back in the 70s showing both Giraffe and Okapi living together in a zoo enclosure. I believe the show was called Zoos of the World and I am quite sure that it was Rotterdam zoo. Just my own view l believe Taronga are going to need more than Gorillas to represent an African rainforest, They really need to add pygmy hippos, Bongo and bring back Mandrills.All are possible.
 
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I remember seeing a zoo tv program back in the 70s showing both Giraffe and Okapi living together in a zoo enclosure. I believe the show was called Zoos of the World and I am quite sure that it was Rotterdam zoo. Just my own view l believe Taronga are going to need more than Gorillas to represent an African rainforest, They really need to add pygmy hippos, Bongo and bring back Mandrills.All are possible.

A 1935 report by Auckland Zoo director Col. Sawyer on mixed species exhibits also detailed a giraffe and an Okapi as having ‘struck up a friendship’ at the Antwerp Zoo.

Although Taronga are unlikely to want to disrupt their Savannah and Congo precincts with such a mix, I fully agree the more species the Congo precinct has, the better.

At a minimum they should be aiming for at least two primate species (including gorillas) and at least two ungulates (including Pygmy hippopotamus). This is more than achievable given the species we already have in the region, with imports a benefit to the populations we have.
 
A 1935 report by Auckland Zoo director Col. Sawyer on mixed species exhibits also detailed a giraffe and an Okapi as having ‘struck up a friendship’ at the Antwerp Zoo.

Although Taronga are unlikely to want to disrupt their Savannah and Congo precincts with such a mix, I fully agree the more species the Congo precinct has, the better.

At a minimum they should be aiming for at least two primate species (including gorillas) and at least two ungulates (including Pygmy hippopotamus). This is more than achievable given the species we already have in the region, with imports a benefit to the populations we have.
It could of well been Antwerp zoo
 
Okapi are one of my absolute favorite species, but I would have to concur that they would not make for a standout exhibit or a be a real drawcard replacement for the zoos phasing out elephants. They do really well as supporting acts in a larger African Rainforest story, but the general public will not consider them the stars (although they'll always be my stars). I will say, I also wouldn't go as far as to say that bongo would serve any better as a standout/stand alone exhibit, as while bongo are also absolutely stunning and are exhibited in herds, they are even less active than okapi. I have worked with a lot of bongo in my time, and they are truly some of the laziest animals (and messiest, but that's another story).

Okapi are absolutely striking, yes,and their strange appearance does tend to hold an audience more than many hoofstock species, but the general public still give them little more than a passing glance after they briefly gawk and say "look at that half-zebra, half-horse" while trying to figure out how to pronounce their name. While I will say that okapi are not always as shy and reclusive as people like to make them out to be (I think this assumption largely comes from the well known fact that they were not known to western science until so recently) -- they are, in fact, usually one of the most tractable of hoofstock species -- they are still hoofstock, and primarily nocturnal hoofstock at that. They will almost always spend the majority of their day standing in the shade, browsing, and even the most tractable individuals can be quite skittish, and it is usually really random things that set them off.

Okapi do also not generally mix well. I would not mix them with anything larger than a yellow-backed duiker. A male nyala killed an okapi in a mixed-species enclosure at the Blank Park Zoo here in the States. Birds usually do well (okapi usually leave them alone, as opposed to other hoofstock species), and I know Doue in France mixes theirs with owl-faced guenons in a large aviary, but I'm not so sure I would want to mix them with more boisterous colobus. On rare occasion, multiple okapi can be housed together-- San Diego had up to five related individuals sharing an enclosure and the Species Survival Center in New Orleans has three (1.2) individuals living together in a 22-acre enclosure. It just depends on the personality of the individuals. Individual okapi have very distinct and very differing personalities. Breeding pairs can sometimes be housed together permanently, but a lot of the times they are too aggressive to be housed together outside of breeding (okapi courtship in and of itself is actually quite aggressive). I do not think that multiple intact males could be housed together long-term -- I have personally worked with males that would try to attack each other through fencelines.

At the end of the day, I think it is important for us to remember that our perspectives as zoo and animal nerds are not going to be the same as the general zoo-going audience. To most of the zoo-going public, to the families with children that have probably never heard of an okapi before, even if the okapi is the only okapi in the country, they are still probably only going to think of it as a weird zebra-horse. This is, of course, truly unfortunate, as okapi are such unique animals with such a unique story to tell, but it is what it is. This absolutely shouldn't deter a zoo from wanting to exhibit them, as you never know who will be inspired by them and it's important to tell the story for those who will listen, but don't expect an impact because they would have an impact on us.

So what would make an engaging okapi exhibit? In my opinion, making the okapi a part of the greater story of the African rainforest, showing them as a facet of that habitat, alongside the great apes, monkeys, birds, and pygmy hippos, creates more impact. Both the San Diego and Dallas Zoos have a demonstration area where keepers bring an okapi over to feed while they give a talk about okapi, and it is during these demonstrations that I have seen the public the most engaged with okapi. Using sightlines to create the illusion that the okapi is in the same space as the other animals also creates an engaging display. This is also a facet of both the San Diego and Dallas Zoo okapi enclosures, both being placed behind their Nile hippopotamus enclosures.

Thanks for taking the time to write a comprehensive response. The points you make are all really good ones. I especially agree with your last two paragraphs. Thanks once again.
 
A 1935 report by Auckland Zoo director Col. Sawyer on mixed species exhibits also detailed a giraffe and an Okapi as having ‘struck up a friendship’ at the Antwerp Zoo.

Although Taronga are unlikely to want to disrupt their Savannah and Congo precincts with such a mix, I fully agree the more species the Congo precinct has, the better.

At a minimum they should be aiming for at least two primate species (including gorillas) and at least two ungulates (including Pygmy hippopotamus). This is more than achievable given the species we already have in the region, with imports a benefit to the populations we have.

Taronga should be looking to create a Congo precinct with their Gorillas, Bongo and Pygmy Hippos at least, alongside maybe another primate species. Black and White Colobus would be a nice fit and they are displayed in the region at present. They could possibly get offspring born in Adelaide’s breeding troop.
 
Taronga should be looking to create a Congo precinct with their Gorillas, Bongo and Pygmy Hippos at least, alongside maybe another primate species. Black and White Colobus would be a nice fit and they are displayed in the region at present. They could possibly get offspring born in Adelaide’s breeding troop.
Have to agree with you they could make this a outstanding exhibit if they have a combination of species, I would not expect joe public to take to much interest in a bland exhibit that’s not displaying much for the public to see. I believe it was mentioned just the other day on the forum the males have not been introduced to the females yet?. Since Colobus are at such a low level of numbers in the country really futher importation would be a better option
 
Have to agree with you they could make this a outstanding exhibit if they have a combination of species, I would not expect joe public to take to much interest in a bland exhibit that’s not displaying much for the public to see. I believe it was mentioned just the other day on the forum the males have not been introduced to the females yet?. Since Colobus are at such a low level of numbers in the country really futher importation would be a better option

They haven’t been introduced yet but any future offspring could possibly be sent to Taronga, alongside maybe a (male/female) from overseas for breeding there.
 
They haven’t been introduced yet but any future offspring could possibly be sent to Taronga, alongside maybe a (male/female) from overseas for breeding there.
I believe this group is to small for the long term good look what happened with Perths animals they bred well and lived there for a long time now they have none.
 
I believe this group is to small for the long term good look what happened with Perths animals they bred well and lived there for a long time now they have none.
Perth don't have colobus because they consciously decided to go out of them, not through mismanagement. Didn't 'fit' into the collection plan. But I definitely agree that the region should get behind holding on to species instead of flipping between breeding and phase outs.
 
Perth don't have colobus because they consciously decided to go out of them, not through mismanagement. Didn't 'fit' into the collection plan. But I definitely agree that the region should get behind holding on to species instead of flipping between breeding and phase outs.
Quite true it does not stop other zoos displaying Indian blackbuck running around in a African savanna exhibit with Giraffe rhinos and zebra like they do at Dubbo
 
Perth don't have colobus because they consciously decided to go out of them, not through mismanagement. Didn't 'fit' into the collection plan. But I definitely agree that the region should get behind holding on to species instead of flipping between breeding and phase outs.

Not to be cynical but it seems like a lot of this swapping and changing between species could be attributed to zoo management wanting to take credit for being the people that brought species XYZ to the zoo (at the expense of phasing out something else). It’s natural to want to put their own stamp on things and there’s little glory in merely maintaining what the last director/board focussed on.

It’s arguably justified from a business perspective, as the general public like to see new things - though my personal preference is to see zoos commit to a species.
 
Not to be cynical but it seems like a lot of this swapping and changing between species could be attributed to zoo management wanting to take credit for being the people that brought species XYZ to the zoo (at the expense of phasing out something else). It’s natural to want to put their own stamp on things and there’s little glory in merely maintaining what the last director/board focussed on.

It’s arguably justified from a business perspective, as the general public like to see new things - though my personal preference is to see zoos commit to a species.
I believe that is a good point I have heard of this happening, but in our region with so few zoos compared to say Europe and North America it has a negative effect where there are just to few holder’s of some species which then leads to a quick decline in said species. If a new director or manager wants to leave there mark that’s fine they can add to things rather than start taking away its going to effect numbers and possibly breeding programs
 
I believe that is a good point I have heard of this happening, but in our region with so few zoos compared to say Europe and North America it has a negative effect where there are just to few holder’s of some species which then leads to a quick decline in said species. If a new director or manager wants to leave there mark that’s fine they can add to things rather than start taking away its going to effect numbers and possibly breeding programs

That’s very true. I believe a lot of the phase outs are cost driven. Less species = reduced food and vet bills. The reasoning is promoted as providing a better quality of life for the remaining species via larger exhibits (and that’s not an invalid argument), but it’s regrettable to see species lost - especially those that are difficult or impractical to reimport.
 
Not to be cynical but it seems like a lot of this swapping and changing between species could be attributed to zoo management wanting to take credit for being the people that brought species XYZ to the zoo (at the expense of phasing out something else). It’s natural to want to put their own stamp on things and there’s little glory in merely maintaining what the last director/board focussed on.

It’s arguably justified from a business perspective, as the general public like to see new things - though my personal preference is to see zoos commit to a species.
I'm not sure that is exactly the case. Upper management of large zoos is largely stacked with non-animal people, and while they may cast an eye over large scale developments and focal species, they largely aren't fussed by the management of less important ones.
Had the animal department (specifically director/curator level) insisted on the continued management of colobus at PZ, then I imagine they would still have them. Not really sure there was an ego element (though I have no connection with the management to know for sure). Problem was that animal management could not see how to fit colobus within the current collection plan ie. didn't quite fit African savanna theme. However, yes they could have shoe-horned them in if they really wanted to.
It annoys me that a zoo will commit to having a species for a while (some times multiple decades) and then completely drop them, often to the detriment of managing the species regionally. Too many examples to mention.
 
It annoys me that a zoo will commit to having a species for a while (some times multiple decades) and then completely drop them, often to the detriment of managing the species regionally. Too many examples to mention.

It is indeed frustrating as it literally undoes all the work that has been done over the decades previous - the (often specific) husbandry methods that have been learnt and refined, especially around breeding.

Melbourne Zoo bred 20 litters of Temminck’s golden cat (with several surviving cubs), a phenomenal achievement for a zoo of that time. Many other zoos initially acquired Melbourne bred offspring (and some even imported) only for Melbourne Zoo to decide to phase them out - and everyone else to follow within two years.

Malayan sun bears look set to become another phase out, after breeding success at three zoos - one of which produced five litters.
 
It is indeed frustrating as it literally undoes all the work that has been done over the decades previous - the (often specific) husbandry methods that have been learnt and refined, especially around breeding.

Melbourne Zoo bred 20 litters of Temminck’s golden cat (with several surviving cubs), a phenomenal achievement for a zoo of that time. Many other zoos initially acquired Melbourne bred offspring (and some even imported) only for Melbourne Zoo to decide to phase them out - and everyone else to follow within two years.

Malayan sun bears look set to become another phase out, after breeding success at three zoos - one of which produced five litters.
Because of the limited number of zoos in our region phasing out species has a knock on effect to the few others that might be holding these species. Remember the phase out of brown bears in Australia to make room for the chosen sun bears now only to be in much the same position as the species before them,This lack of commitment by some of the zoo management is frustrating it smacks of bad management Also as been mentioned on the leaf eating monkey thread phasing out of all species of Langurs for the Francois species but only to find years later only one zoo (apart from two spare males) they are still only kept by one zoo and even then they have stopped breeding there because of growing numbers instead of seeding other zoos within the region,and this is with a endangered species.
 
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